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14秒内刹住时速600公里乘客舱 超级高铁秒停现实吗?
April 16, 2018, 05:48:28 AM
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特斯拉又“搞事”了。
近日,《今日美国》网站报道称,特斯拉公司、SpaceX CEO埃隆·马斯克宣布,旗下“超级高铁乘客舱”将进行测试,目标运行速度为音速的一半,并在1.2公里内完成刹车。
这意味着,乘客舱要以约613公里的时速运行,14秒内“秒停”,减速度数值近重力加速度的1.2倍(1.2g)。
与马斯克对这项短距离测试“疯狂又兴奋”的感觉不同,人们更好奇“秒停”的可行性。
“秒停”不需“get”新技能
“14秒制动马斯克所提的乘客舱,技术上没问题。”“十三五”国家重点研发计划“中速磁浮交通系统关键技术研究”课题负责人、中车首席专家杨颖向科技日报记者表示。
国防科技大学磁浮技术工程研究中心教授李杰表达了类似看法,并告知“马斯克的超级高铁和我国高铁制动原理基本一致”。
在我国,高铁动车组采用复合制动。正常制动中,优先采用“再生制动”,即将电动机“反转”为发电机,把动车组动能转化为电能,通过接触网供应给相邻区间动车组使用。当动车组即将停站时,则改为与汽车制动盘工作原理一般的“机械制动”。高铁遭遇停电等故障,紧急制动也为“机械制动”模式。
此外,我国CRH380AM还使用了“风阻制动”,通过在列车端部升起风阻板,加大动车组空气阻力;德国、日本使用“涡流制动”,制动时将一套电磁铁置于钢轨上方,通电后,电磁铁与钢轨间产生涡流发热,将动能转为热能消耗掉。
“按马斯克所述,乘客舱质量约在几百公斤左右。动能是质量与速度平方的乘积。速度较大,但质量较小,制动要消耗的能量并不‘巨大’。以现有成熟的长定子驱动技术,实现‘秒停’不费力,‘再生制动’就可实现。”杨颖说。
“秒停”很容易 “商用”很尴尬
对马斯克的测试,杨颖表示不用太“兴奋”,譬如美国航空母舰上MK-73型拦阻索,可使30吨重的舰载机以260公里时速着舰,滑跑91.5米停止,减速度约3g,同比难度远高于这项测试。
“研制超级高铁,最终是为了成为大众交通工具。它的启动加速度和制动减速度不能超过普通健康人的承受限值。目前看,普通人承受的减速度限值约为0.5g。”中车株洲所研究院副院长陈高华说。也因此,现有交通工具“减速度”均控制在0.5g以内。
“速度越大,减速度应该越小。公交车紧急刹车,乘客已‘人仰马翻’。飞机降落稍‘猛’,乘客在飞机落地瞬间心里也会‘咯噔’一下。只有飞行员等具特殊优异体质者,可承受这种‘加码’的减速度。”杨颖补充。
据悉,我国350公里时速复兴号高速动车组,紧急制动大约需6.5公里制动距离。正常制动下,需8—10公里制动距离。对613公里时速,制动距离仅1.2公里的“极限”挑战,不具“现实性”。专家称,该“超级高铁乘客舱”还在原理验证样机阶段,离工程样机差距尚远。
“这更像‘玩具’。即便能‘秒停’,但会产生超大电流和功率的需求。单节车没有商业价值。如果在此‘要求’下,做成数百米长列车,乘客承受不了此减速度不说,仅其要求地面提供数十兆瓦级的短时加、减速功率,在经济上就很不划算。”陈高华说。
制约轮轨交通往更高速度发展主要有轮轨阻力、空气阻力和噪声等三大因素。真空中的“超级高铁”,有望克服这些因素,由此备受关注。
尽管有消息称,最早的超级高铁有望2021年建成运行。不过,这一目标,还显“路漫漫兮”。譬如,超级高铁在技术上的长距离测试,特别是载人测试如何做;技术上如何确保高速运动下磁浮系统的动力学稳定性、如何解决“车厢内有空气,管道几乎真空,到站下车后乘客如何呼吸”、真空管道内紧急情况下如何安全停车等,至今未有建设性答案。
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Re: 14秒内刹住时速600公里乘客舱 超级高铁秒停现实吗?
April 16, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
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也就是说陈高华说。也因此,现有交通工具“减速度”均控制在0.5g以内。
“速度越大,减速度应该越小。公交车紧急刹车,乘客已‘人仰马翻’。飞机降落稍‘猛’,乘客在飞机落地瞬间心里也会‘咯噔’一下。只有飞行员等具特殊优异体质者,可承受
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Re: 14秒内刹住时速600公里乘客舱 超级高铁秒停现实吗?
April 17, 2018, 08:56:51 AM
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从这个事,看出来西方有点急功近利了。又想弯道超车。不是我吹。就论人才储备。你们就输了屁股底朝天!来吧。没竞争没进步。我们一直都是贯彻这个思维。来,放马过来。
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Re: 14秒内刹住时速600公里乘客舱 超级高铁秒停现实吗?
April 17, 2018, 01:27:52 PM
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估计会很费劲,时速600公里14秒刹停,反正我觉得不可能
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