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April 18, 2018, 07:20:11 AM
Last edit: May 07, 2018, 08:55:51 AM by iasenko
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I'm making a list of the initial smerit for every rank, but the search did't help much.
Looking for the Full Member, Sr.member and Hero member.
I have found some numbers but I need confirmation to be sure. This info is nowhere to be found.
This is what I have so far
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RANK
Required Activity
Required Merit
Initial sMerit*
Brand new
0
0
0
Newbie
1
0
0
Jr Member
30
0
0
Member
60
10
1
Full Member
120
100
?
Sr. Member
240
250
20?
Hero Member
480
500
100?
Legendary -
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775-1030
1000
200

* based on user activity in the past year, check theymos comment.

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April 18, 2018, 07:34:19 AM
Last edit: April 18, 2018, 07:54:45 AM by sncc
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While specific formula is not given, theymos wrote that the initial sMerit is not solely determined by rank, but determined by rank and activity points obtained in the last year.  
The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.
I know a Sr. Member who had 26 initial sMerit when the merit system was introduced, but it fluctuates for each user.
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April 18, 2018, 07:40:56 AM
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sncc is correct. I only had 22 as a Sr. Member because I was not active for the whole of last year. theymos hasn't made the data public so nobody knows exactly how many sMerit anyone else received.

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April 18, 2018, 08:00:57 AM
Last edit: April 18, 2018, 08:11:39 AM by sncc
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sncc is correct. I only had 22 as a Sr. Member because I was not active for the whole of last year. theymos hasn't made the data public so nobody knows exactly how many sMerit anyone else received.
I see, the Sr. Member I mentioned registered here on March last year.  He posted 583 posts last year and must have earned most of the Activity, so I assume 26 is more or less close to the upper bound for Sr. Member.

Instead, the total number of initial sMerit is disclosed as about 600k by the theymos' reply below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend

In less than a day we already sent more sMerits (11k+) than sources will gain in a month (~8k). Anyone knows how many sMerits have been distributed to existing members?

About 600k.
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April 18, 2018, 08:10:21 AM
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Then I know now. Thank you. I'll lock this thread.

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April 20, 2018, 12:37:52 AM
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While specific formula is not given, theymos wrote that the initial sMerit is not solely determined by rank, but determined by rank and activity points obtained in the last year.

The exact formula was:

Code:
yearActivity = activity in the last ~year, max 378
freeMerit = the merit (not sMerit) you started with
modifier =
  0.1 if member
  0.2 if full member
  0.25 if sr member
  0.35 if hero
  0.4 if legendary

return (yearActivity/378) * modifier * freeMerit

So the most you could get is if you were a Legendary who maxed out your activity points in the last year, in which case you would get 1 * 0.4 * 1000 = 400 sMerit.

Note that I later made an adjustment giving 500 extra merit to some hero members, but no extra sMerit was given here.

I'll probably publish a dump of the initial sMerit at some point.

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April 20, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
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~snip~
I'll probably publish a dump of the initial sMerit at some point.

Thank you, theymos. I unlock this thread because I think more people should be aware of it.
I think I'll keep it open for now.

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April 20, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
Last edit: April 20, 2018, 04:14:05 PM by LoyceV
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So the most you could get is if you were a Legendary who maxed out your activity points in the last year, in which case you would get 1 * 0.4 * 1000 = 400 sMerit.
Can you tell me why I started with 200 sMerit? Based on this, I would have expected 400.

My guess is it's based on the Hero Merit amount (500) when my Activity was <1030, even though my rank was Legendary already. Is that correct?

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April 20, 2018, 01:35:54 PM
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How can I see my sMerit? In this table, I can't see the Smerit for the full member. The merit system is very good but it is very tough to earn actually. That's why I need to know if I have sMerit then I can help others to rank up their Account

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April 20, 2018, 01:37:15 PM
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How can I see my sMerit? In this table, I can't see the Smerit for the full member. The merit system is very good but it is very tough to earn actually. That's why I need to know if I have sMerit then I can help others to rank up their Account

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

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April 20, 2018, 02:34:48 PM
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I'll probably publish a dump of the initial sMerit at some point.

Good to know... I think there are quite a few ready to use that information for their stats. Specifically, it will enable us to determine the amount of sMerit in circulation, and calculate ranking stats once the merit system was set in motion.

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April 20, 2018, 03:25:09 PM
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How can I see my sMerit? In this table, I can't see the Smerit for the full member. The merit system is very good but it is very tough to earn actually. That's why I need to know if I have sMerit then I can help others to rank up their Account

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

To check my sMerit I usually open my profile /or any other profile/ and click on the merit link.
There is your /or any other/ merit history, but above the statistics you can see this :
Code:
Bitcoin Forum > Merit > Merit summary for iasenko

Clicking on the > Merit> will take you to your current sMerit statistics Wink

Maybe there are other (easier) ways, but this works for me.

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April 20, 2018, 03:34:17 PM
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To check my sMerit I usually open my profile /or any other profile/ and click on the merit link.
There is your /or any other/ merit history, but above the statistics you can see this :
Code:
Bitcoin Forum > Merit > Merit summary for iasenko

That takes you to the link including your user ID. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1291828

Clicking on the > Merit> will take you to your current sMerit statistics Wink

Maybe there are other (easier) ways, but this works for me.

Using the URL with the user ID deleted that my browser remembers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit
is just another way of getting to the same place.

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April 20, 2018, 03:50:20 PM
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So the most you could get is if you were a Legendary who maxed out your activity points in the last year, in which case you would get 1 * 0.4 * 1000 = 400 sMerit.
Can you tell me why I started with 200 sMerit? Based on this, I would have expected 400.

I had the same. I'd also be interested in knowing why.

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April 20, 2018, 04:22:18 PM
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I'm making a list of the initial smerit for every rank, but the search did't help much.
Looking for the Full Member, Sr.member and Hero member.
I have found some numbers but I need confirmation to be sure. This info is nowhere to be found.
This is what I have so far
_____________________________________________________________________
RANK
Required Activity
Required Merit
Initial sMerit*
Brand new
0
0
0
Newbie
1
0
0
Jr Member
30
0
0
Member
60
10
1
Full Member
120
100
?
Sr. Member
240
250
20?
Hero Member
480
500
100?
Legendary -
 Random in the range
775-1030
1000
200

I will lock the thread once I get answer.
So for jr. members like me our initial smerit is 0, so sad but i'm not worried. I will do by best to create a constructive post or good quality post like you guys. Since i check the merit I already see that there are lots of generous merit senders, those senders are also helping this community stay good and lessens the spammer. I have a question in mind. Are those who had enough merit and member rank and above could recieve initial smerit?
Asking question is not bad since you can gain information rather than answering other's question that you don't have enough answers or less knowledge about it.

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April 20, 2018, 04:25:36 PM
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so sad but i'm not worried. I will do by best to create a constructive post or good quality post
These are typical words written by people who just parrot what they read on bitcointalk, and it's why most posts sound alike--poorly written and vapid.  It also would not surprise me if you had alt accounts.  You're going to really need to learn some new words and express thoughts that are much different than this if you want to earn merits. 

If you're making a widget that is no different than a million other widgets on the market, you don't stand much of a chance to make money.  That's the best analogy I can give you for the situation you're facing.

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April 21, 2018, 06:13:58 AM
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Thanks OP for unlocking the thread, I wanted to quote the formula.

How can I see my sMerit?
Clicking on the > Merit> will take you to your current sMerit statistics Wink

It would be good if theymos could implement an easier way to check sMerit balance -- on January I suggested one way, which I believe the simplest to implement and quote below.  Of course one can check sMerit balance in the current system, but it could be easier to check.  The caveat is that the sMerit balance should be checkable only for the account holder him/herself to prevent people to rush to sMerit rich users, though one can in principle estimate any user's sMerit balance using the data except source sMerits.

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