Shrinking supply & way to get at old coins

[piramida]

A thought - with all weak hands sold off during the move from 100 to 500, there's a shortage of coins besides a few speculative ones rotating on exchanges & newly minted ones.

I'd imagine big players who would want into the game once it reaches 4 digits would need to incentivize current holders to sell. What do you think can be done here, to break into the big old stashes, if raising the value of one coin is not enough in itself?

I can see several possible attack scenarios. First of all, plant the notion that bitcoin is doomed - either by regulatory means or spreading high-level FUD, we've seen some early signs of that. Second, we would see more and more of luxury high-ticket items (islands, large yachts, planes) being sold directly for BTC. Third, there (probably already are) many organized hacker groups going after the current holders. Fourth, creating bitcoin "banks" - secure storage companies - to get some old coins from people who don't feel comfortable storing large amounts on paper, later bing nationalized / stolen.

Anything I've missed here? From what I understand, we're talking about more than 50% of all mined coins being cold and never traded atm, with a possibility to get reintroduced at random time and seriously disturb the markets, and that fuzzy situation would be considered a major risk factor by all serious holders, so it will be dealt with before any world-wide acceptance takes place.

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[N12]

You forgot scams.

[piramida]

You forgot scams.

Yeah but the owner of the coins need to really want to get up from the cold storage and move a portion to the scam artist, I wonder what could make him do that, imagining he's ok financially and don't have bills to pay.

Price is enough incentive.

For some people, yes, but even at the current levels, even selling 1k coins would allow you to more or less retire or at least take a job path that you like, so it won't incentivize you to spent the rest. Remember, those who still hold serious amounts of coins from single digits truly believe in the idea, no exceptions. I wonder what would move them to part with their precious

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Price is enough incentive.

I have not a lot of them but I will certainly sell them (not all at once) when it is really be "life changing" for me.
Unfortunalty it will not happen before 10/50k per coin...

+1

[Cluster2k]

Everyone has a price.  Everyone.  Mine is US$10k.  If bitcoins hit US$10k each I'll sell all of mine to all comers.  Until then I'll hoard and not spend a satoshi.

[Zangelbert Bingledack]

Everyone has a price, but to many it is priced in BTC

As Erik Voorhees said, "I already cashed out." There's no reason to sell for dangerously confiscatable, freezable, capital controlable, untransportable, undeniable fiat or gold.

[rebuilder]

Price is enough incentive.

I have not a lot of them but I will certainly sell them (not all at once) when it is really be "life changing" for me.
Unfortunalty it will not happen before 10/50k per coin...

It's been "life changing" for the big holders meant here for a long time now. Clearly price alone isn't enough for some. And what would be the point of cashing out more than you might reasonably ever spend? So the people still holding on to tens of thousands of BTC are looking for something else, if they're looking at all. What that may be, probably depends on the individual.

Expect to see some pretty off-the-wall pet projects in the future...

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Expect to see some pretty off-the-wall pet projects in the future...

That's what I would do if I had plenty of money...

[NUFCrichard]

Everyone has a price.  Everyone.  Mine is US$10k.  If bitcoins hit US$10k each I'll sell all of mine to all comers.  Until then I'll hoard and not spend a satoshi.

This is why bitcoin is a commodity, not a currency. As a currency btc could be great, as a commodity I am not so sure.

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Everyone has a price.  Everyone.  Mine is US$10k.  If bitcoins hit US$10k each I'll sell all of mine to all comers.  Until then I'll hoard and not spend a satoshi.

This is why bitcoin is a commodity, not a currency. As a currency btc could be great, as a commodity I am not so sure.

explain yourself please

[zeroday]

Everyone has a price, but to many it is priced in BTC

As Erik Voorhees said, "I already cashed out." There's no reason to sell for dangerously confiscatable, freezable, capital controlable, untransportable, undeniable fiat or gold.

^this

[Zangelbert Bingledack]

This is a landgrab. Bitcoin barons, lords of the manor, kings of their castles will not be selling off very much of their land for any price.

[User705]

Everyone has a price, but to many it is priced in BTC

As Erik Voorhees said, "I already cashed out." There's no reason to sell for dangerously confiscatable, freezable, capital controlable, untransportable, undeniable fiat or gold.

Sure but he and others will spend it.  Nicer house, nicer car, gifts to loved ones.

[piramida]

This is a landgrab. Bitcoin barons, lords of the manor, kings of their castles will not be selling off very much of their land for any price.

Yes that's my point, old coins don't move anywhere, only getrichquick noobs sell. However, currently society works in such a way, that no wealth make any sense without power - even incredibly wealthy people who are forced to move to a new country get stripped down pretty quickly, unless they manage to regain power - political or military. With bitcoins, there are emerging wealth hubs that have zero power behind them. This is an imbalance that will have to be solved somehow, or the system would turn over on it's head. I know this is the outcome we all want, however I believe the system has very much resilience and will put up a fight.

Do we need to form a new independent country, which runs on bitcoin, and has (outsources) it's own military? I know it's a bit far-fetched now, but one day this may actually become a serious question. How the bitcoin kings are going to protect their turf.

[byronbb]

A smart guy would get into the luxury goods business or start a supercar dealership and accept bitcoin. At this rate there is going to be a LOT of rich nerds out there.

[mb300sd]

Old age will probably be a motivator some day... Whats the point of having all the coins if you're not going to live to enjoy them?

[theonewhowaskazu]

Easiest way of getting old coins is to pump and dump an altcoin.

[MaxBTC1]

Everyone has a price.  Everyone.  Mine is US$10k.  If bitcoins hit US$10k each I'll sell all of mine to all comers.  Until then I'll hoard and not spend a satoshi.

Thats a high price my friend by anyone's measure.  When do you think we will reach that?

[notme]

Everyone has a price.  Everyone.  Mine is US$10k.  If bitcoins hit US$10k each I'll sell all of mine to all comers.  Until then I'll hoard and not spend a satoshi.

Thats a high price my friend by anyone's measure.  When do you think we will reach that?

573 days

[wobber]

573 lol.