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November 17, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
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Oh well, basically everyone who has bitcoins is currently sitting on profits. And a lot of people are starring at their wallets and cannot believe how wealthy they have become or becoming....this cannot go on forever.

We should not forget that there are currently 3.5 Mio USD on loan at Bitfinex at high interest rates (80% p.a.) for leveraged bitcoin long positions. This all goes well as long as prices go up, but once we reach stability or a drop a lot of coins will come to the market. Given that many people try to react quickly to get out of their positions, creating margin calls could create a flashcrash to levels no one would expect.

In my eyes the crash will come, the only question is when and from which levels.

@$500/BTC $3.5 million is only 7k coins.  Sure that is significant, but it isn't enough to clear the bids down to $450.

1. Bitfinex prices are linked to the Bitstamp orderbook (465 USD)... much lower depth...
2. Those loans were not taken out at 465, but at much lower levels.
3. People use their coins as margin and might be sold as well...

Let´s guess it is 10000-12000 coins...

Only these coins could bring down the bitstamp and bitfinex price to USD 300...
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November 17, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
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To hold you have to have.

To hold you have to buy  Grin

Ouh, thanks for that, i didnt know ;p

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November 17, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
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Earlier this year Bitcoin went from ~$10 to $266, a 26x (2500%) increase.  It then flash crashed briefly to ~$50, stabilizing around $100 for quite some time.

News flash: It stabilized, post-crash, still at 10x of what it was trading in January, only a few short months earlier.

People today see us go from $200 to ~$500 quick, a 2.5x (150%) increase, and think the bubble is popping down to less than $200.  Good luck with that.  If we had the same scenario as in April, with a 26x increase, we'd be going to ~$5000, then flash crashing to maybe $1,000 before stabilizing above that.  

EDIT: Keep in mind that the incredible "flash crash" in April was catalyzed, and made much worse, by Mt Gox's failures.  We now have a much more distributed system of exchanges, and have seen the market remain stable when one goes down temporarily.  
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November 17, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
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Will we have big crash at last or not?
No.

We will have minor corrections maybe, and more likely some more plateaus.

Then more increases.

Bitcoin is not a stock. 

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November 17, 2013, 05:41:05 PM
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People should stop worrying about the next crash and just keep buying coins. The resistance we have been feeling in the 400-500$ range could be from a mass of public buy-ins at 200-250$. With only 12m Bitcoins in existence there just is'nt enough of them. Who knows when the next seizure of wealth will come, why would'nt people want Bitcoins?  I don't see why we couldn't hit 1000$ by 2014 assuming the stock market doesn't go by then.

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November 17, 2013, 05:49:20 PM
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I still believe there will be cheaper coins after US Senate hearing. So I waiting, big correction seems to be close
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November 17, 2013, 06:26:43 PM
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Oh well, basically everyone who has bitcoins is currently sitting on profits. And a lot of people are starring at their wallets and cannot believe how wealthy they have become or becoming....this cannot go on forever.

We should not forget that there are currently 3.5 Mio USD on loan at Bitfinex at high interest rates (80% p.a.) for leveraged bitcoin long positions. This all goes well as long as prices go up, but once we reach stability or a drop a lot of coins will come to the market. Given that many people try to react quickly to get out of their positions, creating margin calls could create a flashcrash to levels no one would expect.

In my eyes the crash will come, the only question is when and from which levels.

@$500/BTC $3.5 million is only 7k coins.  Sure that is significant, but it isn't enough to clear the bids down to $450.

1. Bitfinex prices are linked to the Bitstamp orderbook (465 USD)... much lower depth...
2. Those loans were not taken out at 465, but at much lower levels.
3. People use their coins as margin and might be sold as well...

Let´s guess it is 10000-12000 coins...

Only these coins could bring down the bitstamp and bitfinex price to USD 300...

1. Bitfinex prices are linked to the Bitfinex order book, which has Bitstamp orders, plus in house orders. 7000 BTC would indeed take us to $370, based on order depth alone, but arbitrage opportunities will dampen that quite a bit unless it happens very quickly.
2. Right, so there is quite some headroom before they are forced out and my observations are that Bitfinex longs decrease when there are down drafts.  In other words, they are using stop losses.
3. Sure

12000 all at once would take Bitfinex to $280. 10000 would take it to $320.  But, the headroom, stop losses, and arbitrage will keep us from seeing bitcoinica era volatility caused by Bitfinex.  It may happen due to other forces, but Bitfinex doesn't have enough leverage and the exchange market is too widely distributed for Bitfinex to control price.

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November 17, 2013, 06:39:29 PM
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November 17, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
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China went to sleep, and other exchanges wait for a signal from China.
Looks like I will have to wake up in the middle of the night to catch the action.

Sometimes, if it looks too bullish, it's actually bearish
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November 17, 2013, 07:02:27 PM
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Sometime soon the bubble is going to land on this kid's head. And when it does it's gonna pop! Back to $250?  Cheesy

LOL yup perhaps it will...but that doesn't mean people should invest in GoldCoin....just saying.  Cheesy


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