Suggestion to require payment for users to rank up beyond member

[cryptolopoly]

Taking off from diagran's suggestion:

I think if forum charges a fee per post to have your post count and activity increased and have no post count and activity increased if you are not paying a fee per post or one time fee like $200. all of the members with multiple accounts will stop posting like they are posting now. as long as posting is free and it earns them money, they will never stop.

I'm all for the forums being an open and friendly place to encourage new and old bitcoin users but the problem of spam has been getting out of hand (even after the introduction of activity and merit). What i'm proposing we discuss is the additional of a small fee that is required for users to rank up above the member rank. Many other forums implement this sort of payment system to regulate quality. This could be implemented in two (2) ways as listed below:

1. Fee be used to replace the merit system
2. Fee be used in addition to the merit system

Is this something that could be feasible? Fee could be low, subjectively enough to prove you are real. Fees could then be used to purchase better server hardware.

[Jet Cash]

Have you read any of the other threads suggesting this, and rejecting the idea, or is this just a spam post as part of the 'crypto' collection of alts?

[Literally_farming_merits]

I hope that you are not one of the cryptopussies alts. lol.
I'd also like to add another suggestion: we should charge $50 fine for removal of red tag only for garbage posters and alt accounts.

We could charge a $50 fine for every red tag removal for garbage posters and not scammers. then forum could pay that money to hire more moderators to deal with garbage posters. they should pay the price. if they keep posting garbage after paying the fine and having their red tags removed, we should tag them again and then increase the amount of the fine for the next removal of their red tags.

WOW, who is this guy diagiran? we should make him a mod right now. I have also heard that he would enjoy very much if people could call him a dev.

Have you read any of the other threads suggesting this, and rejecting the idea, or is this just a spam post as part of the 'crypto' collection of alts?

What is the difference between walking stick and blockchain? didn't you know that certain somebody was rejected to become a merit source, yet you demanded him/her to become one?

[npredtorch]

No, sorry but that won't stop account farmers. I don't know how you and digaran end up with an idea like that but the fee? It will be useless.
How easy it is to pay that one time fee and get it back with profit right after establishing your account for signature campaigns?

[Jet Cash]

What is the difference between walking stick and blockchain?

Please confine your posting to the beginners board if you have to ask questions like that.

btw you made a typo when you posted about your alt, you typed 'dev' but you should have typed 'div'.

[mdayonliner]

Many other forums implement this sort of payment system to regulate quality.

This is a surprise for me. Can you give me some reference forums please?

By the way this idea of fees is ridiculous IMO. Please suit yourself with any membership website where they are selling service. Every merit I earn, I feel encouraged and motivation to do more. Do something worth receiving merit, you will understand the feeling.

[digaran]

No, sorry but that won't stop account farmers. I don't know how you and digaran end up with an idea like that but the fee? It will be useless.
How easy it is to pay that one time fee and get it back with profit right after establishing your account for signature campaigns?

Lol. straight to the point. just no, sorry.
None of the account farmers could afford to pay $200 and if they could afford it, forum would have money to hire more moderators. it would certainly be harder than posting garbage for free and have your post count increased. there are many people who'd post with Jr member accounts. they don't care about ranking up.

Do something worth receiving merit, you will understand the feeling.

You could keep posting for free any where you'd like, you could even receive merits but never to rank up without paying first. how many forum member accounts have no signatures? maybe 5% of members have no signatures, this means the rest are earning money by posting here, even now street beggars could register and start posting to earn money here.

[actmyname]

None of the account farmers could afford to pay $200

They can, because they've been account farming and bumming off signature and bounty campaigns.Any threads to do with changing how one ranks up should be simply dismissed. The only reason for creating those is to make it more accessible for those to participate in signature campaigns, which is not what a forum (a hub for discussion) is designed for.

[digaran]

None of the account farmers could afford to pay $200

They can, because they've been account farming and bumming off signature and bounty campaigns.Any threads to do with changing how one ranks up should be simply dismissed. The only reason for creating those is to make it more accessible for those to participate in signature campaigns, which is not what a forum (a hub for discussion) is designed for.

What would be the difference between taking money from them and then letting them to rank up and post, and not taking any money from them and letting them rank up to a certain point and post free of charge?

Difference is taking the money, what would be the reaction of an account seller to this suggestion? it would be to dismiss it because $200 per account or any amount per account would hurt their business. are you selling accounts?

[actmyname]

What would be the difference between taking money from them and then letting them to rank up and post, and not taking any money from them and letting them rank up to a certain point and post free of charge?

You want to charge people to rank up? That's building the system around signature campaigns. That's not how the forum should be controlled, is it?

are you selling accounts?

The truth hath been reveal'd: all the reputation threads were right. I am a serial account seller and own 20 alts including Lauda and thermos.
[/quote]I just don't think forcing people to pay to rank up is a good system.

[Jet Cash]

A paid board/forum is only really worth it if you want to create a select trading arena. For example if you are trading in decent one word .com domain names, then it might pay to create a select group for quick sales. Paid membership would keep out the guys with scrambled 3 word names that aren't worth the reg fee they paid for them. For Bitcoin trading, then there could be a closed group for buying/selling blocks of ( say ) 5 or more coins. You would want to eclude the guys trying to sell a couple of Satoshi. These are limited use boards though, and they may need to be kept private. If they were needed, it would be easy to add them to the existing forum.

For the general boards, making members pay for anything is counter productive, especially if it is mandatory. Has copper membership been an advantage to Bitcoin Talk? I haven't been checking the posts.

[Aikidoka]

There are numerous fake accounts which are created on Facebook everyday and no one was like "Hey, let's add this fee system". If you violate the rules, you will be punished, as simple as that. Many people will lose interest if the fee system is implemented, not only shitposters, but also others. This forum was made to talk about bitcoin. Moreover, if the admin notices a problem within this forum, he definitely will take an action.

[selezneve]

Here is what I feel about this suggestion:

1) There are already some forums in IM niche which have implemented this. By paying a certain annual fee, you get a  special rank and access to some additional features and sections.  That feature is optional and only 1% or less upgrade.

2) There was  a forum which introduced the requirements of $1 for any further registrations. In very short time, they realized that traffic is affected due to reduced activity and they had to take back the decision.

There is no harm in trying though.

[BTCeminjas]

There are numerous fake accounts which are created on Facebook everyday and no one was like "Hey, let's add this fee system". If you violate the rules, you will be punished, as simple as that. Many people will lose interest if the fee system is implemented, not only shitposters, but also others. This forum was made to talk about bitcoin. Moreover, if the admin notices a problem within this forum, he definitely will take an action.

The words I highlighted above is not sure will eliminate account farmers or spammers, I don't know if they lose interest after they pay and after a month they got a profit on a signature campaign. If ever that implement how about our Moderators they did not have a work here on the forum.
We are all both here hoping that we have to earn money, joining signatures campaign and social media campaign are the best way and easy to earn money. The point here is, do not abuse the forum that's why we have now a new rule merit system rule implemented that bring us a courage to post a quality post, our motivation is merit system, good poster and shares our thought in the forum.

[Jet Cash]

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We are all both here hoping that we have to earn money, joining signatures campaign and social media campaign are the best way and easy to earn money.

We aren't all here for that, and personally I hope that those who are will clear off and spam somewhere else.

[digaran]

You want to charge people to rank up? That's building the system around signature campaigns. That's not how the forum should be controlled, is it?

It's not. however the majority of forum members think of this forum as Bitcoin and think of Bitcoin as an online post for money program. they think this forum is here to fix their problems by giving them a chance to join bounty campaigns with multiple accounts and earn money. they think that we should let them spam because bounty campaigns are paying them and think that we are trying to stop them to keep the campaigns for ourselves.

There are numerous fake accounts which are created on Facebook everyday and no one was like "Hey, let's add this fee system"

You don't get paid by posting your status, here you could get paid for posting your one status from multiple accounts and get paid.

Many people will lose interest if the fee system is implemented

You could post for free as many as you want, you just don't get a post count increasing if this is implemented. just make it impossible for bots to count member's posts.

if the admin notices a problem within this forum, he definitely will take an action.

I'm trying to have their attentions, admin said this forum is not a welfare system, he doesn't know that people think it is a welfare system.

One of the global moderators suggested to charge $500 to have a signature. that is too much I believe, but charging $0.5 per post would be fair to post and rank up, or pay nothing and keep posting for free without ranking up and without seeing any post count increasing.

[LoyceV]

~ the problem of spam has been getting out of hand ~

I completely agree with you. Now let me make the forum a better place by getting you banned!

Update: OP is banned.

[STT]

I understand the basic idea is to formalise registration, avoid bots.  To require money is a step away from free speech that this forum clearly supports.
I'd say no for the same reason I think Bitcoin fees should always be as low as possible for at least the slowest transactions.  Its a global product and for true growth and to enable the whole story behind Bitcoin you have to include everyone in the story even the poorest countries.  Even where the person on this forum might not even own a computer, might just be using a library for 10 minutes.   Someone who is a teenager even who is very young without proper banking access is very common in developing countries.
  Look at the guy who setup ETH at a very young age, I would not want to see anyone excluded or discouraged from joining because we in the West presume its easy; its a negative really.

The merit system requires the forum member to spend a minute editing a post and thinking of reasonable points to make, everyone on the planet can do this.  Since they are including local boards, anyone can pass this bar and thats how Bitcoin should always be.   I do think its a requirement for success longterm to be inclusive and Im sad when BTC takes any bias towards serving the largest transactions excluding the smallest.

[Welsh]

You are assuming that everyone who has insightful posts, or interesting opinions actually hold Bitcoin. I would think that a few people here aren't even holding any coins and are interested in the technology behind Bitcoin or maybe it's motivations. Pay to post probably isn't the way to go about this.

Users shouldn't have to be restricted and made to jump through hoops to post and contribute. Instead something needs to be done about the core problems such as the spam, bounties and what ever else is an issue currently. Signature campaigns are a benefit, and I would support the idea of making it a payment only benefit just like hilariousandco suggests.