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August 02, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
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Just you cased you missed it, after 20 threads were killed with the same post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24749;sa=showPosts), including one resurrected from July 1st, one from the 12th, one from the 15th, and one from May 28, the UABB is taking your affidavits for their MyBitcoin investigation.

Before anyone else starts ANOTHER thread about this, please realize that the UABB is already spearheading a legal and unbiased investigation into MyBitcoin.com but needs your support. Discussion about the UABB discussing MyBitcoin.com is very healthy for the sharing of ideas and suggestions on how to tackle this very serious and difficult problem, but nothing will be done about it through forum posts.

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August 02, 2011, 06:06:14 PM
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Who the hell is the UABB and what authority do they have?
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August 02, 2011, 06:08:38 PM
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Who the hell is the UABB and what authority do they have?

I didn't know either, until I Googled it: http://www.myspace.com/uponaburningbody
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August 02, 2011, 06:40:57 PM
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Sorry for the spamming, for a brief moment there it seemed like a much better way to communicate than starting another thread about MyBitcoin. I apologize (for the third time now) and have decided that was a general bad idea. My bad.

That's good to hear. To be clear this thread is about the UABB's investigation, not about MyBitcoin. It seemed like a much better way to communicate than posting a reply in every thread about MyBitcoin.

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August 02, 2011, 06:49:55 PM
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Searching on the MyBitcoin address gave me the following:

Meridian Trust Company Limited
Hunkins Plaza
Main Street
PO Box 556
Charlestown, Nevis, West Indies
1-869-469-1333 Tel
1-869-469-0968 Fax
info@meridiantrustnevis.com

And:

Meridian Trust Company Ltd.
Mr. Ernie Dover, Managing Director.
P.O. Box 556
Hunkins Plaza
Charlestown
Nevis, West Indies
Tel: 1(869) 469-1333
Fax: 1(869) 469-0968
E-mail: edover@meridiantrustnevis.com
Website: www.meridiannev.com
Tracey Williams-Morton
Trust & Fiduciary Services Manager
twilliams@meridiantrustnevis.com

See who the "Trust & Fiduciary Services Manager" is? I already mailed Tracey a few days ago, no reply. Maybe someone else want to give it a try?
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August 02, 2011, 07:00:06 PM
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This was a 5 minute work. Williams is a quite common name. Now you have a maiden name for some relative (wife/sister?) next step social networking sites and the rest of internet.
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August 02, 2011, 07:06:34 PM
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Just you cased you missed it, after 20 threads were killed with the same post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24749;sa=showPosts), including one resurrected from July 1st, one from the 12th, one from the 15th, and one from May 28, the UABB is taking your affidavits for their Mybitcoin investigation.

Before anyone else starts ANOTHER thread about this, please realize that the UABB is already spearheading a legal and unbiased investigation into MyBitcoin.com but needs your support. Discussion about the UABB discussing MyBitcoin.com is very healthy for the sharing of ideas and suggestions on how to tackle this very serious and difficult problem, but nothing will be done about it through forum posts.


Sorry for the spamming, for a brief moment there it seemed like a much better way to communicate than starting another thread about MyBitcoin. I apologize (for the third time now) and have decided that was a general bad idea. My bad.

Who the hell is the UABB and what authority do they have?

The UABB is being designed to function as a sort of BBB for the Bitcoin world. That said, typically this kind of thing would not be a UABB issue, but since the entire executive board (myself and the other 4 executives who help me run it) all have expressed tremendous curiosities in the truth behind a major player (up until now) in the Bitcoin community, we decided to take it on as a side project.

You shouldn't concern yourself with the UABB, you'll probably never even use our services. We're there to try to stop fraud. You should concern yourself with this investigation though.

To answer your question, we have no 'authority'. We are collecting evidence on faith, hiring private investigators (with or without contributions from the community) and intend to hand over the investigation to the local and national authorities when it reaches a point that prosecution would be possible.

I personally have only a few years of experience working with law enforcement, but that's not going to be a problem considering we are not handling this investigation on our own.

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August 02, 2011, 07:46:22 PM
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Im glad to hear that this is becoming more organized and progress is being made. I lost a good amount of money in this, so I would like to offer any service that I may be able to provide. Contact me via pm if you would like help in some way.

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The UABB is being designed to function as a sort of BBB for the Bitcoin world. That said, typically this kind of thing would not


So the model is the BBB?  Is this supposed to be a good thing? 

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August 02, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
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Good work Mike. Though neither of the numbers is registered still, this is a step in the right direction.

This is not true. I just called this number (1-869-469-1333), it's ringing, but no one picks up the phone.

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August 02, 2011, 08:49:54 PM
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You might want to take a look at leaseweb first before you try to find Tom Williams. Both of their emails got abuse@......
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August 02, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
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Offshore trusts are designed so that it is impossible to find the true owners or beneficiaries.

Even if you find the trustee, what are you going to do?  Press charges in a St. Kitts/Nevis court to try to force them to divulge the identity of the beneficiary?

These trusts are intended to withstand a full legal onslaught from well-funded corportations or individuals, the IRS, or whoever.

Make sure you do some homework before you pour a lot of resources into this.
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August 02, 2011, 10:02:04 PM
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Offshore trusts are designed so that it is impossible to find the true owners or beneficiaries.

Even if you find the trustee, what are you going to do?  Press charges in a St. Kitts/Nevis court to try to force them to divulge the identity of the beneficiary?

These trusts are intended to withstand a full legal onslaught from well-funded corportations or individuals, the IRS, or whoever.

Make sure you do some homework before you pour a lot of resources into this.

We are not planning on taking a trust to court in Nevis, we're planning on researching other human beings that might be able to lead us in the right direction of Tom Williams. You make it sound like being a part of a trust makes you invisible as you walk down the street. Someone knows him. We're going to find a way.

Not sure whether you've seen this thread over in the Newbies section, but there are other names you can try to track down.  I suspect that they'll all turn out to be registered agents rather than the actual owners of Mybitcoin though - it looks like the domain (and probably the business itself) is being passed through a series of shell companies.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33815.msg422131#msg422131

I think you also need to make clear that what you're asking people to send you at the moment is just information - it won't become an affadavit or a deposition until it is properly sworn in the presence of a legally authorised witness.

There are a few places online which are very good at tracking down real life information about people.  Depending on how far you're prepared to go, you might want to consider turning to those communities for help.  While they're likely quite hostile to Bitcoin in general, there's usually someone who wants to show off their internet detective skills.



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August 03, 2011, 01:20:06 AM
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I just posted this on another mybitcoin thread, but it seemed a better fit here:

Let me offer the names of two lawyers, Trace Mayer and Bill Rounds, who are the proprietors of Howtovanish.com  (takes you to their contact page)

There is a good chance they may be familiar with the ins and outs of Nevis corporations. After all, they know how to vanish!  Also, they accept bitcoin.  How cool is that?
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August 03, 2011, 07:03:54 AM
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I've found a copy of MyBitcoins ToS, pasted it here http://pastebin.com/9Fb0uauU
for those who did not read it before, rather read it late then never ...
it's for sure not off topic here. could help you to estimate your chances for a case uhm

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August 03, 2011, 07:57:34 AM
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I've found a copy of MyBitcoins ToS, pasted it here http://pastebin.com/9Fb0uauU
for those who did not read it before, rather read it late then never ...
it's for sure not off topic here. could help you to estimate your chances for a case uhm

Just because their ToS states they're not acting as a bank doesn't make it factually true.  And all the disclaimers about liability in the world wouldn't help them if a court found that they are liable - some jurisdictions don't allow you to waive your basic legal rights so those clauses won't necessarily hold water in all cases.  The real questions are whether a court outside of Nevis would accept jurisdiction over the matter and whether there's any realistic prospect of forcing Mybitcoin to disgorge funds if they did.

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August 03, 2011, 08:32:57 AM
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The real questions are whether a court outside of Nevis would accept jurisdiction over the matter and ...

this. in the tos we agreed to the use the nevis jurisdiction. now reread the agreed part and nevis jursdiction.
seems clear to me. just because we agreed to tos does it mean it is not valid just because we don't like it?
kinda reminds me of southpark episode 15.01 HUMANCENTiPAD and the biggest lie ever "i have read the terms and conditions"

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August 03, 2011, 09:07:46 AM
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The real questions are whether a court outside of Nevis would accept jurisdiction over the matter and ...

this. in the tos we agreed to the use the nevis jurisdiction. now reread the agreed part and nevis jursdiction.
seems clear to me. just because we agreed to tos does it mean it is not valid just because we don't like it?
kinda reminds me of southpark episode 15.01 HUMANCENTiPAD and the biggest lie ever "i have read the terms and conditions"

Every legal system is different, but the Nevis clause won't necessarily protect them if they've committed a civil wrong such as the tort of conversion in another jurisdiction - they can't opt out of that jurisdiction's laws by means of contract.  That said, if they don't live in a particular jurisdiction where they've committed a civil wrong and they have no assets there, then judgements against them are effectively unenforceable anyway.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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August 03, 2011, 09:12:51 AM
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Searching on the MyBitcoin address gave me the following:

Meridian Trust Company Limited
Hunkins Plaza
Main Street
PO Box 556
Charlestown, Nevis, West Indies
1-869-469-1333 Tel
1-869-469-0968 Fax
info@meridiantrustnevis.com

And:

Meridian Trust Company Ltd.
Mr. Ernie Dover, Managing Director.
P.O. Box 556
Hunkins Plaza
Charlestown
Nevis, West Indies
Tel: 1(869) 469-1333
Fax: 1(869) 469-0968
E-mail: edover@meridiantrustnevis.com
Website: www.meridiannev.com
Tracey Williams-Morton
Trust & Fiduciary Services Manager
twilliams@meridiantrustnevis.com

See who the "Trust & Fiduciary Services Manager" is? I already mailed Tracey a few days ago, no reply. Maybe someone else want to give it a try?
Does this remind anyone of http://www.privacyshark.com/ ?

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August 03, 2011, 10:30:16 AM
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holy shit is the UABB a real thing or is it some joke to make bitcoin donations

either way I report mtgox for fraud

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