Merit became a business. What to do?

[Coffee_Lover]

Have you tried reporting this to the admins? I hope so. I hope these users who sell their merits will be banned in the group.

Merits should be earned not bought. There are many members who try their best to be noticed but there are others who buy their way around, so pathetic. Are they not even ashamed of what they do?

[athanz88]

The best part to all of this merit issues arising now, would have been not giving any member any merit at the first place. Maybe each member gets a given amount of merit for achieving a given status. Then once the laid out status is achieved, the system automatically gives merits to the user and this users can't be transferred as well between users as it's only the system that can do that.

Then people would cheat it somehow to get that status and boom, they will get merits. Your suggestion is not compatible to restrict some alt-account to rank up, and it would be just the same as activity point.

[BTCeminjas]

Have you tried reporting this to the admins? I hope so. I hope these users who sell their merits will be banned in the group.

Merits should be earned not bought. There are many members who try their best to be noticed but there are others who buy their way around, so pathetic. Are they not even ashamed of what they do?

They know that even a single smerit they did not have even they post a good quality post because they holding many alt accounts.
That's the reason risking their account by buying or trading smerit just to rank up they make underground the new rule here in the forum which is strictly prohibited.
Maybe there are many reports, just always follow up this report it was clearly stated and have strong evidence to have a red tag.

[xolxol]

Dont be an idiot! DT members have their own rules, they have their own standards and set of rules.
Theres no such thing as merit abusers based on the owner of this forum but hes a pussy that is why some of these DT members are being allowed to put red trust to those who has intended to exchange merits.

These selfish retarded people dont want any members to rank up and if they want you to get kicked out from this forum they can easily tag your ass some redtrust,because of shitposting,merit abuse that shouldnt exist,or multiple account abusers,all type of abusers except themselves are all shitposters.

[Harlot]

Merit trading seems severe right now as the circulation of merit is so small, But think how it will look in 12 months. The initial sMerit will of all deteriorated and only the new sMerit every month will be in circulation, DT's need to keep tagging the most blatant cases and the Sources then need to ignore those members, then the problem will be solved..

The new sMerit being generated by Merit sources will be the only ones existing in the coming months ones all other non-merit sources has exhausted all of their sMerits to giveaway. But even if that happens half of those sMerits received will be sendable to other members, so as half of those again and again. As long as we are active giving merits to quality post and not hoarding it for ourselves it will be sufficient to the forum, the admins are also actively adding more merit sources to the forum.

As for the people making merits as a business, I don't think that tagging them is necessary because it is a harsh penalty for them. If this is possible I am thinking of permanently putting them on a block list in the merit system so they they are not able to send or receive any merits as a form of punishment. They could also be suspended for their actions if the admins think of this as a necessary solution.

[LoyceV]

Theymos doesnt have any power here,DT members are the ones who are powerful in this forum.

Who do you think put people in DT1? Theymos has all the power, but doesn't abuse it. That's why theymos also added people to DT2, and even excluded people from DT2. After that, it's up to the other DT1 members to include or exclude people. In a way, it's a democratic vote from DT1 members to create DT2 members.
Some DT1 members disagree with theymos on including certain members. Isn't that great?

DT members have their own rules, they have their own standards and set of rules.

That's the beauty of the system: it's self-regulating. And sometimes, someone is removed from DT2 after the community disagrees with the red trust he left.
I'm still considering how to use my DT2 powers, so far I've been very conservative.

Theres no such thing as merit abusers based on the owner of this forum but hes a pussy

I believe theymos chooses freedom of speech and expression over strict control. That's why you're allowed to call him this.

These selfish retarded people dont want any members to rank up and if they want you to get kicked out from this forum they can easily tag your ass some redtrust

I'm curious which account of yours received red trust.
I don't think any DT member has a problem with people ranking up. I for one like it when new users earn merit by posting quality.

[TMAN]

Who do you think put people in DT1?

Vod did it - we all know he is our Deity.

[speem28]

To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust. Theymos said not to worry about merit trading too much, in the long run they won't have any sMerit left. Let them spend $100 on 5 Merit, that's not doing them any good, they're just wasting their money.

Yep, those 5 merits will not help them in any other way unless they will rank up to the next rank but seeing people buying merits, it is pretty clear that they are doing desperate things. If they can't earn a single merit on their own then those merits they are buying will just go to waste. I can't wait for the day that those people who are using the merit system the wrong way, run out of sMerit, let's see how the forum will look like till then.

[STT]

I believe theymos chooses freedom of speech and expression over strict control.

That was my understanding, I was reading some disapprove of giving merit to ANN threads.   But if someone puts alot of effort into coding something valid and real and yet that is a new account and seemingly a newbie I'm probably going to give them some merit so long as Ive read through some of the work done.  Anyone does some genuine advancement in crypto even if you dont appreciate that direction probably deserves some recognition.   Some disagree with that and prefer just to favour purely Bitcoin, thats fine but the difference would be opinion or freedom of speech and expression.  Thats the correct system for a forum because people will always disagree on various points.

I can't even understand the first fucking 6 words of that post, so there's no way I would even continue reading it, much less actually award merits for it.

People who've created false merit like OP mentions are going to betray themselves most likely.

[mobilazy]

Why selling merits is against the rule and selling accounts isn't? Both are giving the unfair opportunity to rank up if the person has a money.
I see a guy selling accounts from Member to Sr.Member on Russian board, advertising this business on his sig.

Yeah, DTs painted him red, but I guess he simply doesn't care, it won't hurt his trade anyhow. But if admins would ban people like him and all of his alts, then we'll see some changes here.

[athanz88]

Dont be an idiot! DT members have their own rules, they have their own standards and set of rules.
Theres no such thing as merit abusers based on the owner of this forum but hes a pussy that is why some of these DT members are being allowed to put red trust to those who has intended to exchange merits.

These selfish retarded people dont want any members to rank up and if they want you to get kicked out from this forum they can easily tag your ass some redtrust,because of shitposting,merit abuse that shouldnt exist,or multiple account abusers,all type of abusers except themselves are all shitposters.

Last time i checked, shitposting is not the main reason for tagging people anymore, some DT members already stated that. For abusing, i can only comment about multiple account abusers. It would create a lot of spam, and it is not good for the forum so it must be taken down, especially if they break the campaign/signature rules which stated that multiple account in the same campaign will be kicked (might get you tagged because some of managers are DT member), and i think it is a fair thing because cheater with multiple account is not only breaking rules, but blocking people chance to get into bounty/signature (if we want to look from money side of this forum)

Why selling merits is against the rule and selling accounts isn't? Both are giving the unfair opportunity to rank up if the person has a money.
I see a guy selling accounts from Member to Sr.Member on Russian board, advertising this business on his sig.

Yeah, DTs painted him red, but I guess he simply doesn't care, it won't hurt his trade anyhow. But if admins would ban people like him and all of his alts, then we'll see some changes here.

Theymos stated that merit trading, merit abusing, are not a problem, so both is accepted, but it is kinda shady so both might get tagged.

[theymos]

The current status quo seems OK. If you have to pay $20 per merit plus a risk of getting red trust, then that's a situation that doesn't concern me at all. I'm not going to lose sleep over people going to ridiculous lengths to buy merit, since only a small number of people will be willing and able to do that.

As long as merit sales are a black market, I'm happy, since that makes it far more difficult and expensive to buy merit. If that's the case, then the small volume of black-market merit trades don't themselves bother me much, and I think that it does more harm than good to get too witch-hunty about it.

[shahzadafzal]

Yes small number of merit sellers and buyers won't effect the overall system. The percentage is very small reporting and having negative trust should be enough lesson for them.

Now selling and buying accounts can't be controlled... and that is ok.. if someone sold his/her account better let him go away he was not worthy.  and may be the new comer will use it in better way

Bounties is the section for them, they will live and die in this section we should not be worried.

[hilariousetc]

How do you know that's a genuine sale? Whilst it's inevitable that many people are going to try buy/sell merit (or trade it), there will probably be more opportunistic scammers popping up than actual merit salesmen just like there is with the account farmers. Send money to them and more often than not they'll probably just take your money without actually sending you anything. Genuine merit sellers are more likely to get busted pretty easy as well. All you have to do is buy merit from them and they expose their source account. It would probably just be much easier to buy an account in the first place.

[Larrymili]

That is too bad, merit is a sign or a praise that some one has post a quality post that is helpful to the forum, so if people start to sell merit then there will be no respect for it. please moderator should do something about it.

[Sova_tmb]

Thanks for your answers. Today i seen two thread with sell accounts :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3044231.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2736633.0

Its bad , forum  shouldn't became in market.

[xolxol]

The current status quo seems OK. If you have to pay $20 per merit plus a risk of getting red trust, then that's a situation that doesn't concern me at all. I'm not going to lose sleep over people going to ridiculous lengths to buy merit, since only a small number of people will be willing and able to do that.

As long as merit sales are a black market, I'm happy, since that makes it far more difficult and expensive to buy merit. If that's the case, then the small volume of black-market merit trades don't themselves bother me much, and I think that it does more harm than good to get too witch-hunty about it.

Look at the problem you have created from resolving the previous problems.Statistics of spam has lessen but those account farmers wpnt stop farming ,even your DT members cant be controlled,abusing the red trust which you have created for scammers,now it is being used for non sense.If you do want spam to stop take out the root of all the problems which is the signatures.Or lock some discussion board for signatures,so that the spams will be in a single discussion make it "Shitposter Discussion" and tell those bounty managers to require hunters to post in that discussoin.

Merits sucks you know that ? so biased to the high rank members,you know it yourself it is too much for the new members,those who are here for about a year are in good position,sr. member? and how is that fair to those newbies in this forum? the max that they can get would be member rank.

Dont tell us all of your merit sources are going to give some merits to those people,the trust system has been abused,you know that,thepharmacist ,lauda and other shit people here who are using that ability to tag people,causing another problem because those people who got reds are going to create more accounts to cover those accounts that has reds.

Its all about you,come to think twice, if there will be no signatures there will be no spams,its purely discussions.
If you dont want to remove the signatures,make another discussion board for the signature participants require all the hunters to do shitosts on that discussion = problem solved.

[nakamura12]

To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust. Theymos said not to worry about merit trading too much, in the long run they won't have any sMerit left. Let them spend $100 on 5 Merit, that's not doing them any good, they're just wasting their money.

Again another topic about merit. You are right there is no rules in selling merit and creating a giveaway merit thread. In selling merit you earn money but it may result in negative trust or red trust. Selling merits may be an abuse in merit system as they receive merit but the buyer still post low quality post that will result in spamming. If i ask you a question, if you are a moderator do you want to delete so many low quality post that will result in spamming? not just low quality but also out of topic. For me selling merit is not a good move for your own account. I'd prefer Giveaway Merit Thread as your sMerit will be put in good use and also help other member try their best to post a good quality post, we all know that the one who created the giveaway thread will choose good quality post and reward him/her.

[xolxol]

To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.

Selling merit isn't against the rules, but could get you red trust. Theymos said not to worry about merit trading too much, in the long run they won't have any sMerit left. Let them spend $100 on 5 Merit, that's not doing them any good, they're just wasting their money.

Again another topic about merit. You are right there is no rules in selling merit and creating a giveaway merit thread. In selling merit you earn money but it may result in negative trust or red trust. Selling merits may be an abuse in merit system as they receive merit but the buyer still post low quality post that will result in spamming. If i ask you a question, if you are a moderator do you want to delete so many low quality post that will result in spamming? not just low quality but also out of topic. For me selling merit is not a good move for your own account. I'd prefer Giveaway Merit Thread as your sMerit will be put in good use and also help other member try their best to post a good quality post, we all know that the one who created the giveaway thread will choose good quality post and reward him/her.

Stfu, you are a perfect example of a cancer,what are you a 3rd grade ?you will be permanently a jr.member if you ask me because your grammar needs a lot of improvements not unless the great theymos will remove the shitty biased merit system for the higher ranks.Or he can remove the signatures permanently because it is the source of spam in this forum.

[Totoff]

I think that I can understand why some users are able to sell their merit ... And some that buy..
i explain, I already saw many Jr Member having posted close to 200 posts and having no merit like me... in this way it becomes impossible to grow up to Member because you need at last 10 Merits to become Member ...
and i also think that users having sMerits are sometimes really Scrooge.. 

i really think that obtain Merit with time could be a new option ... example 2Merits a month could become a way to obtain some...

As i don’t speak correctly English, I think that I will stay Jr Member for a long time.