Merit became a business. What to do?

[sserge009]

The problem of selling merits is very acute. At the forum this is not so noticeable, but in Telegram, just tons of groups offering such services. Of course the merit system is still far from perfect, but in the end it will benefit the forum and the community.

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[ducdr]

The problem of selling merits is very acute. At the forum this is not so noticeable, but in Telegram, just tons of groups offering such services. Of course the merit system is still far from perfect, but in the end it will benefit the forum and the community.

I hope to see list of those groups, which will help me out abusement hunters join and scan around to find abusers, which in turn will contribute to clean up our forum.
Of course, there are side effects that more account farmers will fall into merit trading. Nevertheless, due to merit system tracking specifications and lots of radars in the forum, they will be catched someday.

[hilariousetc]

The problem of selling merits is very acute. At the forum this is not so noticeable, but in Telegram, just tons of groups offering such services. Of course the merit system is still far from perfect, but in the end it will benefit the forum and the community.

There are probably lots of people offering bitcointalk accounts and feedback too outside of the forum. As I said before, many of them will likely just be scammers taking chances but any sort of restrictions that you put in place that can be earned y doing something is going to be gamed/exploited. The only way I can think to stop it completely is to remove signatures completely and charge people a substantial fee for them. At least nobody can farm accounts in any capacity then. I think the merit system should stay though.

[ahasan909]

Nowadays many people are using their merit as a business, but merit isn't business Bitcointalk start this system for others who help  everyone who have a general knowledge, so I hope Bitcointalk can find who sends his merit for business,

[Vashti]

I'm not against it either since it's there merit, they have the right to do as they want with it,  its their account tnot ours,  its their decission to make.

[KingScorpio]

Hello guys, today i saw a russian telelegram grup about merit. He sell merit on 20$ for eatch.  Look on the screenchoot: https://wmpics.pics/di-EKV9.jpg    Some peoples buy merits and its very bad. Don't say about what they will be deceived. Also notice on the Russian thread many suggestion from Newbies: How buy merit or price on merit.  In this thead man official sell merit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3301296.0

Merit become a new coin on this forum and it the biggest problem. To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.  Thanks for reading and what you do about it? How to struggle with this problem?

when live throws lemons at you, make lemonade 

list bitcointalk merit on coinmarketcap as digital asset 

[Taki]

it is making money on people's problem. Very sad. There is no doubt that such merit selling threads exist in every local board. With all this stuff around merit moderators should be have really al lot of work all those months that the system exists. No doubt that each case should be tracked and punished.

[dz roknroll27]

You are right there is no rules in selling merit and creating a giveaway merit thread. It would probably just be much easier to buy an account in the first place.

[rivoke]

If something can turn into Profit, they will go for it.
They are greedy creature so they try to think greed, how to turn merit into cash

[Bezuprechnyj]

I see the option only to rebuy (for example 80 merits points earned by quality posts and 10 purchased) to the desired level. It is unlikely that people in their right mind would buy a full merit to get a new rank. If there are even such comrades, and if the awareness of this fact is very disturbing to you, then think about how many top-level accounts have been pumped before the introduction of the merits system. And maybe their owners at the time did not written a single useful post. Therefore, it is better to just concentrate on generating creative ideas and presenting them to the audience of this forum than to worry about the unfair receipt of merit.

[tuanytcc]

I see the option only to rebuy (for example 80 merits points earned by quality posts and 10 purchased) to the desired level. It is unlikely that people in their right mind would buy a full merit to get a new rank. If there are even such comrades, and if the awareness of this fact is very disturbing to you, then think about how many top-level accounts have been pumped before the introduction of the merits system. And maybe their owners at the time did not written a single useful post. Therefore, it is better to just concentrate on generating creative ideas and presenting them to the audience of this forum than to worry about the unfair receipt of merit.

Smart guys will stay away from merit business. Of course, merit system is not a perfect fairly system, but it is fair enough to put abusers on red tags. You should never fall into Meri business and complains about merit system's fairness.
Overtime, merit system will make real members of the forum, including someone who are complaining feel satisfied due to its effects to make the forum better.

[MainIbem]

Merit trading seems severe right now as the circulation of merit is so small, But think how it will look in 12 months. The initial sMerit will of all deteriorated and only the new sMerit every month will be in circulation, DT's need to keep tagging the most blatant cases and the Sources then need to ignore those members, then the problem will be solved..

My opinion is that all smerits be withdrawn and given to a selected group who's duty it is to award merits based on laid down parameters. As long as you give members merits and they have vested interest, abuse will continue.

[TrumpD]

Merit selling has been going on for a while now, and it would be hard to track down those who do so. One of the ways however is to look at merited comments and see if it is actually worthy of a merit point. If its a rubbish post and it has been merited, then there should be suspicion about that. However if it is a good or great post, then it would be hard to track. However, it would be worth pointing out that for good/great posts, the people who buy merits, may feel neglected (as merit sources are scarce) and thus are pushed to buy merits, because they desperately need to rank up.

[veleten]

I see the option only to rebuy (for example 80 merits points earned by quality posts and 10 purchased) to the desired level. It is unlikely that people in their right mind would buy a full merit to get a new rank. If there are even such comrades, and if the awareness of this fact is very disturbing to you, then think about how many top-level accounts have been pumped before the introduction of the merits system. And maybe their owners at the time did not written a single useful post. Therefore, it is better to just concentrate on generating creative ideas and presenting them to the audience of this forum than to worry about the unfair receipt of merit.

Smart guys will stay away from merit business. Of course, merit system is not a perfect fairly system, but it is fair enough to put abusers on red tags. You should never fall into Meri business and complains about merit system's fairness.
Overtime, merit system will make real members of the forum, including someone who are complaining feel satisfied due to its effects to make the forum better.

smart guys will do,the rest will be paying 20$ per merit and have,potentially,red trust as a bonus
after all said and done,a guy with alot of merits but crappy posts won't be able to take advantage of his merits for long
sooner or later he will be tagged and lose his account (I say lose since the only reason for him to buy merit is to make money,so red trust=lost account)

[TheUltraElite]

You are right there is no rules in selling merit and creating a giveaway merit thread. It would probably just be much easier to buy an account in the first place.

Are you daft? Selling merits is an abuse of the merit system and selling/buying of merits will result in your account getting tagged by DT.

Merit selling has been going on for a while now, and it would be hard to track down those who do so. One of the ways however is to look at merited comments and see if it is actually worthy of a merit point. If its a rubbish post and it has been merited, then there should be suspicion about that. However if it is a good or great post, then it would be hard to track.

A good post getting merited is obviously the credit of the poster in the first opinion. Its not possible to track down every merit seller/buyer and since much of it can happen outside the forum it can take time to investigate as well.

However, it would be worth pointing out that for good/great posts, the people who buy merits, may feel neglected (as merit sources are scarce) and thus are pushed to buy merits, because they desperately need to rank up.

If they are really interested in taking part in discussions and interacting with other forum members (even though the toxicity in the forum is at brink) - they would not care about their rank.

[KingScorpio]

Hello guys, today i saw a russian telelegram grup about merit. He sell merit on 20$ for eatch.  Look on the screenchoot: https://wmpics.pics/di-EKV9.jpg    Some peoples buy merits and its very bad. Don't say about what they will be deceived. Also notice on the Russian thread many suggestion from Newbies: How buy merit or price on merit.  In this thead man official sell merit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3301296.0

Merit become a new coin on this forum and it the biggest problem. To my opinion moderator must be a ban all, who create a similar topic.  Thanks for reading and what you do about it? How to struggle with this problem?

think its rather a success of this forum....

[Jenros]

Merit - a great business opportunity for old users on this forum to earn money. Why shouldn't they abuse it then.

[coolcoinz]

Merit - a great business opportunity for old users on this forum to earn money. Why shouldn't they abuse it then.

You see it as an opportunity, others as a risky business. Put yourself in the shoes of a high ranked member. If you have an account worth $200 and a campaign that is paying you $300 a month, would you risk it all trading merit to get additional $100? That's just stupid and greedy. IMO trading merit is only worth your time if you have some hacked accounts that you can risk. As for the buyers it's also stupid, because if you are able to create content valuable content you will get merit anyway. If you aren't, it will be easy to notice that you got wrongly merited for spam.

[antifraud01]

We can't do anything. Because this is not ours, we are only forced to accept. Think of those who entered the forum very early, each has more than a dozen accounts, and now are sr member above, they can do bounty to make money, sales advantages to make money, and then openly discuss in the forum like a good person, Behind it is selling their own account, and in this way to deceive newcomers. These are all facts. I have full proof. Why can't the forum design two sets of systems? One set is devoted to discussing the development of Bitcoin, upgrading through contributions, and one set for ordinary users to participate in discussions without affecting each other. The benefits here are so heavy that many bad things have been happening.

[lebrone08]

thats why me gets no merits till now even after good suggestive and usefull posts

No you got no merits as your English is atrocious, I don't even need to look at more of your posts.

that's true.  the way he construct he's post really disgusting, and i do agree that checking he's post would waste your time. sorry but that's the reality.