Bitcoin vs. Biteuro
How Mtgox stole a family's saved money, and wants to cancel withdraw. Full logs.
1. Family's money received 100.000 USD at May
2. Trusted account and increased withdrawal limit at June
3. Withdraw all money, 100.000 + 7777 EUR at October 2 weeks deadline.
4. Digital unconditional basic income, Biteuro at November
5. Mtgox wants cancel all withdrawing.
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Mtgox wants cancel all money withdrawing, and start over again because play for time, and use others money. They are unfair and incorrect, playing other peoples' money, and want to split transfer and punish delay 3 x 20 days, and ask family to cancel all money withdrawing. It is terrible suggestion.
They are cheating, because they linked an Mtgox FAQ, it was posted on May, but they increased family withdrawal limit in withdrawal page by AML division at June, because it's highest level trusted account. Also they are lying, because family's neighbor 2 weeks ago just received his money already, what he withdrew at end of October.
Mtgox is terrible lying and fraud, and playing ordinary people's money. No responsibility, understanding or sympathy for anybody, only profit, speculation, playing and using others money and finally stole. These family need our help. Check concept of Biteuro too, it is a real next generation concept of unconditional basic income and digital money, and upgraded version of Bitcoin.
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1. Funds received 100.000 USD (2 x 50.000) at April 30 and May 08
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Dear zenrobi, We have deposited $49,989.48000 into your account zenrobi.
Transaction Reference: b67d9d29-9c87-4e75-a365-0aff7c4f0d1e
Transaction Date: 2013-04-30 00:00:00
Please note that any fees that may have been deducted by your bank, intermediate bank or by the payment processor are not provided in this summary. If you plan to deposit funds in different currencies, please make sure to review your wallet/deposit behaviors on your accounts settings page.
Transaction Details
Reference: 810210535405
SWIFT[20]: U34N651013/0000
SWIFT[32A]: 130430USD50000,00
SWIFT[50K]: /HU68117750322317001800000000 HEGEDUS ROBERT FERENC HU 1136 BUDAPEST HEGEDUS GYULA UTCA 36 2/5
SWIFT[70]: M12376759X
SWIFT[71A]: SHA
- The Mt.Gox Team
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Dear zenrobi, We have deposited $49,989.63000 into your account zenrobi.
Transaction Reference: eadc05e7-b92e-4e38-aa66-29ae8b8461fa
Transaction Date: 2013-05-08 00:00:00
Please note that any fees that may have been deducted by your bank, intermediate bank or by the payment processor are not provided in this summary. If you plan to deposit funds in different currencies, please make sure to review your wallet/deposit behaviors on your accounts settings page.
Transaction Details
Reference: 810210542646
SWIFT[20]: U34N696231/0000
SWIFT[32A]: 130508USD50000,00
SWIFT[50K]: /HU68117750322317001800000000 HEGEDUS ROBERT FERENC HU 1136 BUDAPEST HEGEDUS GYULA UTCA 36 2/5
SWIFT[70]: M12376759X
SWIFT[71A]: SHA
- The Mt.Gox Team
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2. Trusted status by AML division increased 100.000 USD withdrawal limit.
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Request #93053
[Mt.Gox] Trusted status (AML division) Jun 04 11:21
Hello, We are pleased to inform you that the identification documentation you have submitted has been reviewed, and your account has been upgraded to "Trusted" status.
If you would like to request a withdrawal limit increase (up to 100,000$ daily, and up to 500,000$ monthly), please reply back to this email with the below.
Wallet (BTC/USD/ETC): New Daily Limit:
Wallet (USD/EUR/ETC): New Monthly Limit:
We sincerely apologize for the delays and any inconvenience which you have suffered in relation to the account verification process. If you continue to experience any issues, please do not hesitate to contact Mt.Gox Support.
Thanks, MtGox.com Team
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Comments: User Robi
Dear Mtgox team, thank you for supporting BTC and made the best exchange.
My account Number: M12376759X, zenrobi. Please increase my transaction limits to maximum limits:
Traditional Currencies
Daily withdrawal limit (24hrs): 100,000 USD (or equivalent)
Monthly withdrawal limit: 500,000 USD (or equivalent)
Bitcoin
Daily Bitcoin withdrawal limit (24hrs): 10,000 BTC
Monthly Bitcoin withdrawal limit: none
Thank you very much:
Robert Hegedus
June 04, 2013 15:15
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Comments: User Maria Support Desk
Hello, Your limits have been raised as requested.
Thanks, MtGox.com Team
June 04, 2013 15:32
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Comments: User Maria Support Desk
Hello, Your limits were updated according to your request.
Would you like any further assistance from us?
Thanks, MtGox.com Team
June 04, 2013 15:32
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Comments: User Robi
Thank you for your help, and thanks your Great support for BTC. Mt.Gox team make really great and important job for humanity. Thanks.
June 05, 2013 05:48
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3. Withdrawing all money 100.000 EUR and 7.777 EUR at october 17. and november 08.
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Withdraw from your account zenrobi
Mt.Gox (
info@mtgox.com)Add to contacts 10/17/13
To: zenrobi
Dear zenrobi, There has been a withdrawal from your Mt.Gox account:
Transaction reference: 5e26d592-5ce9-4a60-9e5b-f6707a12b42a
Date: 2013-10-17 14:24:58 GMT
IP: 88.203.60.51 You can access your account history for more details.
Please contact us as soon as possible by replying to this email if you did not request this withdrawal.
Thanks, The Mt.Gox Team
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Dear zenrobi, There has been a withdrawal from your Mt.Gox account:
Transaction reference: 9e8915e1-82b8-4059-9904-fdaee9a1603d
Date: 2013-11-08 17:15:39 GMT
IP: 88.203.60.51 You can access your account history for more details.
Please contact us as soon as possible by replying to this email if you did not request this withdrawal.
Thanks, The Mt.Gox Team
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Zenrobi's account history:
2013/11/08 18:15:39 Withdraw Status: confirmed 7,777.31000 € 0.00688 €
Withdraw to account HSBC BANK MALTA P.L.C.
2013/10/17 16:24:58 Withdraw Status: confirmed 100,000.00000 € 7,777.31688 €
Withdraw to account HSBC BANK MALTA P.L.C.
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4. Digital unconditional basic income, Biteuro
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Request #143806 Digital unconditional basic income
Robi: Nov 13 22:03
Dear Mark, Mt.Gox team, management and everybody,
thank you very much for your great effort and supporting BTC. I love Mt. Gox and your effort for help new technology, because BTC has lot of potential, but at last it can not save the world.
All digital currencies have same problem: unfair distribution. Some people has lot of capital, and others few, and many has not. I know myself a people, who has more than 100k BTC,and he want more. Why? He is stupid, he doesn't understand what is BTC?
This kind of mentality are common, and it can not help us and can not save the world economy and the poor people. Goal of digital currencies are simple: people try to create a next generation economy. Recent digital currencies have lot of profit and speculation at the moment, depending of fiat capital and it is good only to demolish the bank system, but it can not save the poor.
At last, we found a real solution to save the world economy and all the peoples, keeping all advances of BTC, but throw away all profit and speculation mind. The most important advances of BTC are
- decentralized network and
- crypto digital currency technology,
but we must change and clear distributing system well. We are European, and we have a chance now to change the world economy with unconditional basic income concept.
You know exactly, we have an unconditional basic income concept in EU, but we have no power, because we have no digital money for that. The EU laws can not give unconditional basic income for people, but we can. So, we have chance to create a digital euro for common people and distribute all citizens in EU, and fix digital EUR price 1:1 to fiat EUR.
I'd like to ask you, please help us and save together the whole world economy, and create together a digital EUR with unconditional basic income for all European peoples, and other countries, ecosystems and peoples will follow us.
Thank you:
zenrobi
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Comments: User Robi
I am here, because of confidence for you. I worked 20 years in Universities like zen teacher and lecture, and I am not a business man or trader, just a people who has 3 young children and think about human's future and help the peoples.
We sold out our flat with my wife and transferred almost all money for you 100.000 USD because of confidence for you. This is the truth, I sent our savings to you, only a little money left. So, my confidence is not an empty words, my confidence is true.
1 months ago, I abandoned BTC support, because I recognized the problems of BTC. Unfair distribution is similar like banks, early adopters, investors, people who has capital will gain and become rich, but simple people remain simple and poor.
I am here for help, and not for harvest profit or power.
Who is that crazy people beside me, who has 3 young children 6, 4 and 8 months, and sold out his flat and transfer all money to you?
In these reason, please think about our future and find the best solution for everyone. Thank you very much.
http://www.facebook.com/zenrobiNovember 13, 2013 23:40
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Comments: User Robi
Here is the concept of next generation economy, which is saving our world.
European issue: The Times 18/Nov/2013 The Gods of Food
Digital EURO with unconditional basic income. Based on Bitcoin technology, concept of European unconditional basic income, European citizens, and mtgox.com
Digital EURO:
- short term dEUR
- Fixed price ratio with European Central Bank EUR
- dEUR:EUR = 1:1
- released by European citizens and mtgox.com???
- decentralized network
- crypto digital currency
- equitable distribution
- all EU citizens get same amount of dEUR
- own wallet
- wallet access on any computer or mobile phone
- based on concept of European unconditional basic income
- monthly payment
- all EU citizens could be register and get own wallet
Registration of wallet:
- send copy of apostalized bio-metric EU passport by mail
- send digital copy of your fingerprint by email
- fingerprint and passport will generate own wallet (one person has one wallet only)
Access wallet:
- wallet identification based on fingerprint
- wallet access based on fingerprint and password
- access wallet from anytime and anywhere (not only from your PC or mobile)
Unconditional basic income:
- for all EU citizens
- monthly payment dEUR for wallet
Other members without unconditional basic income:
- create wallet, similar like Bitcoin
I know, lot of works ahead to create
- dEUR network, crypto algorithm, clients program, etc.
- payment to 500 million citizens by every month,
but if we do, then we start to save the world. We can use Bitcoin technology, but with clear and fair distribution, because we want to become every people for rich, not only some. Go ahead and save the world, be happiness and rich for everybody.
Thank you very much for your help.
November 15, 2013 03:23
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Comments: User Danny Support Desk
Hello, Thank you for the email. We will forward this to the management group for consideration and you will be contacted if we are interested with this.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
https://www.mtgox.com[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit
https://mtgox.com/security]
November 16, 2013 00:16
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Comments: User Robi
Thank you very much, please forward Biteuro page to your management, and please join us to help. Thank you very much.
https://www.facebook.com/biteuroNovember 16, 2013 01:15
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Comments: User Danny Support Desk
Hello,Thank you for the email. We will forward this as well. Get back to us for any further assistance.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
https://www.mtgox.com[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit
https://mtgox.com/security]
November 17, 2013 20:04
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5. Mtgox wants cancel withdrawing.
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Request #145492 Withdraw 100.000 EUR
Robi Nov 16 08:15 Dear Mark, Mt.Gox team, management
At October 17, we withdraw our saving by SEPA within 2 weeks transfer time. We are family with 3 children, we need back our money suddenly, because we transferred our savings to you in spring time, but we have not enough money at the moment. Please transfer back our money. Please understand, we are family.
My neighbor is a miner, and he started withdraw at end of October, and he already received his money by SEPA. Please again, please transfer back our savings, we need it. Thank you very much:
zenrobi
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Comments: User Nancy Support Desk
Hello, Thank you for the email and sorry for the delay in response. We could find that you have initiated two withdrawals 2013-10-17 for 100,000.00000 € and 2013-11-08 for 7,777.31000 €.
Please be noted that as mentioned in FAQ
- It is not possible to withdraw less than 10 EUR.
- Withdraws lower than 100.00 EUR are on average take less than a week.
- It takes at least a month on average for withdrawals larger than 10,000 EUR
- Withdrawals greater than 50,000 EUR need to be split it into multiple transfers or you can use the International Wire payment method.
- Due to the volume of withdrawals requests, each customer is currently only allowed 1 withdrawal every 20 days (estimate)
Situation as of 17 November 2013: We are currently processing withdrawals requested six weeks ago. (Users with several withdrawals in the queue must take the 20 day rule above into account).
So we request you to split your withdrawal made on 2013-10-17 into multiple transfers .
Best regards,
Mt.Gox Team
https://www.mtgox.com[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit
https://mtgox.com/security]
November 18, 2013 17:27
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Comments: User Robi Also, please come and protect the real new generation concept of money, which can really save our world. Thank you.
https://www.facebook.com/biteuroNovember 18, 2013 17:35
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Comments: User Robi
Dear Mark and Mtgox team,
Our saving are our confidence for you:
We transferred with my wife all our savings to you 100.000 USD at May because of confidence for you. We are a family with 3 young children, please be attention, we need back our savings because we are not rich and we need money. We just sold out our flat, and transferred that money to you. Again, we transferred our savings to you because confidence to you.
Trusted user:
In this reason, I became trusted user with apostolized passport and ubikey, because I care about our savings. I received an email in may, and your AML division gave it a permission and put my withdrawal limit.
Following AML division and my MTGOX withdrawal page:
According your AML division and in my MTGOX withdrawal page, my withdrawal limit in EUR at October 17: Withdraw up to 100,000.00000 € provided you have enough on your account (your limit is 100,000.00000 € per 24 hours and 500,000.00000 € per 30 days)
SEPA Withdrawals: Due to the daily withdrawal limits imposed by our European bank, all fund transfers to SEPA accounts in Europe will take 2 weeks or less depending on the size of your withdrawal.
Withdraw at October 17:
33 days ago, I just withdrew 100.000 EUR, according AML orders and permission and Mtgox withdrawal page, and got status: confirmed.
I just followed your AML division permission on your withdrawal page.
In this reason, I started 100.000 EUR withdrawal, because you allowed this amount with trusted account.
Zen desk say: I am wrong:
Today, I received an email from your zen desk, and they wrote: I am wrong, and I can not withdraw my money, and I have cancel my withdraw.
Like a zen teacher, I have to say, no. I just followed your orders and permission by ALM division and Mtgox withdrawal page and not my idea. Also, my neighbor received his money 2 weeks ago, he withdrew by SEPA at october 22.
Zen desk also said, I must cancel my withdrawal, and I have to wait 3x20 days. This is really understandable, because I started my withdraw 32 days ago according your ALM division.
Solution:
I just followed AML division, and withdrawal page and nothing more.
If you don't want to transfer back our savings to us, or if you want transfer back with split-ted, then please tell us, but please don't tell us, we are wrong, because WE JUST FOLLOWED YOUR ORDERS.
Please, reply us, what is your decision about a family money:
- you will transfer back our saving.
- you don't want to transfer back our saving.
- you want to splitted transfer back our saving.
We have to know, what is your decision, because we just followed you and trusted you.
Thank you very much for your help a family and support not only Bitcoin, but Biteuro.
Robert Hegedus (zenrobi)
Seniour Zen teacher of Dharme Gate Buddhist University
www.zen.hu https://www.facebook.com/zenrobi https://www.facebook.com/biteuro robi@zen.huNovember 18, 2013 19:08
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