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Question: Using hompgraphs to be forbidden on the forum. What you think?
Yes, I support the idea
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What are these "homographs". /read below to find out/
It's up to theymos, he has to decide
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April 25, 2018, 08:02:13 AM
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While we are waiting for a reaction from theymos / see his comment below/ I suggest to add this to the rules.
I still think that using of homographs have to be forbidden and added to the rules.
By doing so, we will not waste time in searching for plagiarism. On the other hand using homographs has no positive advantages in the forum, the only reason someone will use it is to cover something, it cannot be done by mistake, it takes quite an effort and it is done on purpose.
So the best and easy thing is to be forbidden.

  • If you have more than 2 one or more * changed characters with homographs in your post, it should be deleted.
  • If you have more than 2 posts breaking this rule you should be banned for a week.
  • For more than 2 post the user should be permaban/nuke.
~sniped some examples from the last few days~

* some of the spammer now use only one character changed. See the last post of this thread.

theymos' comment on the subject, I have provided already such table but still no reaction.
Does someone have a table of these characters? I can automatically convert non-standard characters to ASCII.

The OP was edited together with the subject. The original OP is below this line.



Here is what I found.
What they do is replacing some letters with the corresponding Cyrillic as they are lookalike, know also as homographs.
This kind of activity is a bit weird for me, I couldn't find any similar comment with the same text, tho.

I checked the letter "a" so all marked with yellow are in Cyrillic.


The ICOs market experienced a massive boom in 2017. Prices have recently been in decline but today they are starting to grow, so now is a good time to invest but the main thing is to find a good project. Smiley Smiley

Here are more examples with the same approach. So shall I report such activity?



I think not. This is a centralized currency. It can not be interesting for investment. At any time, developers or owners of the bulk of coins can freeze transactions or the entire market. This is dangerous. I think this is not a good idea.

I think it is safer to buy bitcoin than Ethereum at this stage. Crypto would survive without Bitcoin but well missing Ethereum would be a bigger setback. I do not see the blockchain space without Ethereum any time soon.

Ethereum is a coin used by many investors, as it was created for this purpose. Ethereum has a good project, the price is very high, but it is still a good coin that will grow in the future.

I thought that they cover the copy/paste postings but you have to research every single case.

There are many more like those, this is just a brief example.

I think this kind of unnecessary activity should be considered as a rule-braking and be punishable.
What you think?

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April 25, 2018, 08:22:38 AM
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There was a discussion about this exact issue a couple of months ago, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3094459.0

Bottom line is it is still plagiarism. Report them all, and include a link to the original post in your report.

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April 25, 2018, 10:18:20 AM
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I've seen this method before, they copied from a post in the same thread Tongue not so smart
I'll give you a hand Cool here's all related post sources that they copied from
btw, I didn't file report on them yet because I don't want to take the credits
These are your findings, you found them first Wink so you have the privilege to report them



Original
The ICOs market experienced a massive boom in 2017. Prices have recently been in decline but today they are starting to grow, so now is a good time to invest but the main thing is to find a good project.
Copy:
The ICOs market experienced a massive boom in 2017. Prices have recently been in decline but today they are starting to grow, so now is a good time to invest but the main thing is to find a good project. Smiley Smiley



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I think not. This is a centralized currency. It can not be interesting for investment. At any time, developers or owners of the bulk of coins can freeze transactions or the entire market. This is dangerous. I think this is not a good idea.
Copy:
I think not. This is a centralized currency. It can not be interesting for investment. At any time, developers or owners of the bulk of coins can freeze transactions or the entire market. This is dangerous. I think this is not a good idea.



Original
I think it is safer to buy bitcoin than Ethereum at this stage. Crypto would survive without Bitcoin but well missing Ethereum would be a bigger setback. I do not see the blockchain space without Ethereum any time soon. It might turn out to be one of the pillars of the future part of the economy that is decentralized.
Copy:
I think it is safer to buy bitcoin than Ethereum at this stage. Crypto would survive without Bitcoin but well missing Ethereum would be a bigger setback. I do not see the blockchain space without Ethereum any time soon.



Original
Ethereum is a coin used by many investors, as it was created for this purpose. Ethereum has a good project, the price is very high, but it is still a good coin that will grow in the future.
Copy:
Ethereum is a coin used by many investors, as it was created for this purpose. Ethereum has a good project, the price is very high, but it is still a good coin that will grow in the future.

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April 25, 2018, 10:23:32 AM
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Thanks for the help, both of you, it's OK to report them, no worries. I have already reported many (over 900 now) so I don't really care if someone will take the credit for it. It's just to have some action against such activity.
I'll just continue the same way Smiley

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It's just unbelievable for me. They took it into the next level. Really cleaver thing...  Shocked
I was not familiar about this kind of tricks, it took me a while to figure out what was going on.  

I wish they use these skills for something good.  Wink Really waste of energy when using the skill for spamming.

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April 25, 2018, 11:03:55 AM
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Here is the result with one simple word "the", "e" is Cyrillic

All "the" are marked with yellow. The once that have the with cyrillic are with bold text  

https://imgur.com/ItwkJ8R

I have 5 pages to report now Cheesy

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What if someone copied your post ( especially when he/she is a newbie ) ?
And maybe his only goal is to destroy you  ( through " a permanent ban" ).
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What if someone copied your post ( especially when he/she is a newbie ) ?
And maybe his only goal is to destroy you  ( through " a permanent ban" ).

I am not sure I am reading you correctly, but there is no penalty for having your posts plagiarized by someone else.

In your example, the person who plagiarized (ie. the copier) would get banned. There would be no action taken against the original poster.

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April 25, 2018, 01:33:14 PM
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What if someone copied your post ( especially when he/she is a newbie ) ?
And maybe his only goal is to destroy you  ( through " a permanent ban" ).

You can check the dates on the posts, so don't worry, no one can cheat here. Well, if you are sharing same thoughts and expressing them in the same way just as a coincidence, it will be easily marked, checking the post history of both persons.

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This one you reported is copy and pasting as well:

Because bitcoin is the first. It will be the most expensive of all crypto currency. although there are many altcoyins that technologically excel bitcoin. But bitcoin is like digital gold.


Because bitcoin is the first. It will be the most expensive of all crypto currency. although there are many altcoyins that technologically excel bitcoin. But bitcoin is like digital gold.


The accounts don't seem to be related from what I can see but they're all trying to mask their plagiarism in the same way. I wonder if there's a guide out there that tells them to do this to avoid detection? I usually try find a unique word or typo as they're easier to spot like 'altcoyins' was here.

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The accounts don't seem to be related from what I can see but they're all trying to mask their plagiarism in the same way. I wonder if there's a guide out there that tells them to do this to avoid detection? I usually try find a unique word or typo as they're easier to spot like 'altcoyins' was here.

I accidentally found the first one by searching for Cyrillic letter "a" in the search engine and I was really impressed that we can search by only one character, awesome feature. Normally I check for non English comments outside the Local boards by searching specific characters. Then I saw many results in English with the Cyrillic letter "a" highlighted and just started reporting. Now every few days I'm reporting some posts like this.

Also I have a question to you as a moderator:

I would like to know if I report 1 post two times or a two people report one same post does it comes as a two different cases or one case with 2 reports?

Still no answer to this question, hoping to get some information on how the report system is working so we can be more efficient.

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The accounts don't seem to be related from what I can see but they're all trying to mask their plagiarism in the same way. I wonder if there's a guide out there that tells them to do this to avoid detection? I usually try find a unique word or typo as they're easier to spot like 'altcoyins' was here.

I accidentally found the first one by searching for Cyrillic letter "a" in the search engine and I was really impressed that we can search by only one character, awesome feature. Normally I check for non English comments outside the Local boards by searching specific characters. Then I saw many results in English with the Cyrillic letter "a" highlighted and just started reporting. Now every few days I'm reporting some posts like this.

Also I have a question to you as a moderator:

I would like to know if I report 1 post two times or a two people report one same post does it comes as a two different cases or one case with 2 reports?

Still no answer to this question, hoping to get some information on how the report system is working so we can be more efficient.

I'm not sure what you mean. If you report the same post twice there will be two reports in the cue, but not sure what you mean by 'two people report'. If you mean you report one post but with additional info on another user that needs to be looked into then it will still be one report.

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Thanks for the answer. I guess it was a bad formulated question.
The whole idea was if a bad post is reported 5 times from 5 different users does it go higher in the queue (because of the more reports) or there are just 5 different report in the queue.

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Thanks for the answer. I guess it was a bad formulated question.
The whole idea was if a bad post is reported 5 times from 5 different users does it go higher in the queue (because of the more reports) or there are just 5 different report in the queue.

Oh. No. There will just be five different reports in the cue in the order that they were made. The report cue isn't very sophisticated but I think I read that on the new forum software it will have them all grouped together and will be more efficient. 

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June 10, 2018, 12:53:47 PM
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I still think that using of homographs have to be forbidden and added to the rules.
By doing so, we will not waste time in searching for plagiarism. On the other hand using homographs has no positive advantages in the forum, the only reason someone will use it is to cover something, it cannot be done by mistake, it takes quite an effort and it is done on purpose.
So the best and easy thing is to be forbidden.

  • If you have more than 2 changed characters with homographs in your post, it should be deleted.
  • If you have more than 2 posts breaking this rule you should be banned for a week.
  • For more than 2 post the user should be permaban/nuke.

While we wait for a solution from the admins, in the mean time we can just clear up some of the examples below from the last few days.

thanks for the list just stumbled upon it. I don't do airdrops much because most of them are just useless just gathering information. anyhow i will keep an eye on this thread for the updates to get a hold of some good ones.

I think it all depends on the level of risk that you are willing to accept, of course I'll write everything that is more reliable to store on a purse but to overtake coins there is also not an interesting occupation, so it is better to have both there and there

I think in 2018 market will not has a very huge growth. But it can growth with low speed to higher goals.

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Today already 2 day the market is red.  
But this is a good time to buy coins.  I advise you to invest now, while the price has not increased

Market is now on dump time so investing all your money in crypto is a good choice but make sure the coin you will buy is a great one.

I prefer to hold cryptocurrencies and monitor the market until I notice there is increase happening.
Only in that case i am ready to sell and it does not matter whether I have to wait for the increase for a while.

I think it's better to hold coins for a long term.  
It seems to me that very few people can make money trading every day.

I still prefer bounty campaigns ahead of bitcoin mining as bounty campaign does not require machines and card to mine. Bounty programs are a lot easier

Participate in the bounty where there is a limit on the number of participants.  
This is a good option to earn more coins.

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I prefer ETH because this is the best way to buy some altcoins and of course joining ICO.
Most of ICO now based on ETH platform and they accept ETH as a main token. So if you have ETH you don't need to change your LTC or Ripple to ETH.

The key here to rising up is will we invest to grow up.
Because if we invest there's a big chance to help this crypto to growing up and not to fall down.

Not all altcoins are shitcoins but there is a lot of shitcoins among them.
We just have to study about them before we invest...    

My primary reason why I did invest in cryptocurrency is to gain profit and make decent earnings. On the other hand I think there are some really great ideas behind some projects that are meant to stay and will have a positive impact on the world.
Those are worth being supported further one.   

I don't think that you should sell all altcoins. There is no doubt about it that bitcoin is the main cryptocurrency and it is still getting investors attention. If you want to buy some, you can buy a reasonable amount, but selling all altcoins would not get you more profit.

Yes, I think the cryptocurrency market is a very big field.
We can learn a lot of knowledge here, and if you are lucky enough, you can make a lot of wealth

I believe Litecoin is a future usable cryptocurrency.

This will serve as a guide for all, you still have to do your own research, as we have alot of project that now influence the ICo reviewer, Ian Balina, The gob has helped out over time in my review. Smiley Smiley Smiley

Yes, it will always be. ethereum is the best altcoins, has a  huge supporters because ethereum is dependable that can stay and rise at the market.

Yes. That will be possible even withholding alone. Imagine if you bought top 10 altcoins today 1-2 years ago, you are already a millionaire as of now. especially if you both coins like ethereum, you would have made significant amount on it

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At any moment the situation in the market can play in your favor, and then you will get a decent amount of profit.

Many altcoins - many opportunities to make a profit. of course, now I am talking about successful and promising coins.

Most transaction from the cryptomarket was done through ethereum and it was also used as a reward for some participating ICo's.

Most altcoins will grow over a long period of time, and will give us the opportunity to make money if we buy them in advance.

It happens that the rates may not be updated for a month, but it does not say that the company is scam.

If you find a good Ico project, you can choose to invest in Ico and perform reward activities at the same time for maximum benefit.

If I have enough money to support my daily expenses I'm sure I'm holding mytoken for a long-term investments.

If you don't have the risk taking ability than you are in the wrong track. You better forget about crypto. It's a market of up and down. When the is very high you keep praising it and when down you keep crying. That's nothing but wasting time.

I think there has to be a fine balance, never say never but with the current trends and plethora of project it makes sense to see some evidence that the team has the capability to deliver what has been promised at least a test alpha of a product. There are ICOs as well that uses the investments just to stsrt their company or whatever project they have, which is a good thing. Existing platforms that created coins for their products are the best of course, but others can be useful as well. Just research on the stuff the you need to before investing on anything.

It's up to you to sell it or not but don't regret it when you sell it, but for me just a advise when you sell the token sell it when the price or the value of the token is high. I'm also did sell a token in low price from airdrop that i earn in low price because i really need a money at that time in order to take exam at our school.

Bitcoin can not have other features of altcoin. Because bitcoin has been used for a long time. when new cryptop forms. So pricing is dependent on bitcoin. I believe in the future. Some altcoins will develop over bitcoin. wait for it

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June 10, 2018, 01:18:52 PM
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I support this request. I can see no valid use for their concealed use in a standard English text stream. I appreciate all the hard work you guys put into cleaning up the forum, and improving the quality of the threads.

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June 10, 2018, 05:07:12 PM
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Thanks for the answer. I guess it was a bad formulated question.
The whole idea was if a bad post is reported 5 times from 5 different users does it go higher in the queue (because of the more reports) or there are just 5 different report in the queue.

Damn these shitposters would never give up. How in the world do they get such ideas of spamming? This is the reason why spam is not being controlled and the forum is still a trashcan full of blabbered out English from a shitposter.

Mods may ban them for plagiarizing but something needs to be done - like IP ban and Hardware MAC address tag so that they can be forever banned from the forum. Tongue

But I guess we can all sleep.

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June 10, 2018, 05:25:59 PM
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Damn these shitposters would never give up.
Well of course they're never going to give up as long as they can make more money spamming bitcointalk than they could doing manual labor in [insert Asian country here].  This is pretty clever of them, but my question is:  Can google not catch these substitutions?  Seems like even if you include a phrase in quotes, they return a lot more results than are warranted anyway, and I figured their engine would be a lot more powerful than some shitposter's homograph-substitution scheme.

I concur with OP & Jet Cash.  If this is what spammers are doing these days to fly under the radar, it should probably be banned.

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June 10, 2018, 07:59:13 PM
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I have around 50 hompgraph reports waiting to be investigated + the ones I've mentioned above, which I found only on the first page of the search result for the last 10 days.
I'm on vacation at the moment and have no pc around, quoting on the phone is pain in the arse.
So I guess there are much more of those shitposters.
Let's add the to the rules so they can get what they deserve.

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June 13, 2018, 07:44:55 PM
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I just added poll, so hopefully we'll see the big picture in a few days, of course if most of the people are active and willing to vote Smiley

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