"Assassination Market". Potential hostage crisis brewing. Need game theory

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337897.0

TL;DR: Someone made an "assassination market" website in plain sight... false flag, predictable timing with the bubble/politics/press coverage and shit like that.

However...

on RT:
http://rt.com/news/bitcoin-assassination-market-anarchist-983/

Sanjuro’s FAQ shows that he is aware of the imminent prospect of arrest.

“All the money will be confiscated by the state, and I will probably be killed or spend a considerable portion of my life in jail. Provided the system is a success, of course. Which I am hoping for.”

Did I read that right?

How long did it take for fucking Silk Road to get taken down? 2, 3 years? Who gives a fuck about "whodunnit" and "oh it's just another bad press false flag by the haters."

What if they "can't" take that website down because of say, magic wikileaks servers or some similar excuse??

UPDATE:

This is how I see things potentially playing out. At first, nobody takes the threat seriously. Everyone who has followed Bitcoin has seen so many scams and would-be disasters that were supposed to destroy Bitcoin but failed, that we've become numb to it all.

Occasionally a few coins get deposited, and it's seen as black humour for the lulz. Who cares if it's probably a scam and the creators will disappear with the money? It's Bitcoin -- stuff like that happens all the time. It's a risk people take when trying to remain anonymous, and 2-party escrow is still in beta. Authorities probably could take down the website if they wanted to. IF.

Meanwhile, the funds slowly add up and eventually they reach a tipping point. Whether it's because of slow accumulation or rising exchange rate doesn't matter. Some big-name politician gets killed, and that's when the SHTF.

Suddenly, the news is 100 times worse than Silk Road ever was. Massive regulation ensues. Innocent Bitcoin enthusiasts, miners, early adopters, and developers get arrested. Masses of people who don't care about any alternative political systems like Laissez-faire, Anarchy, Anarcho-Capitalism, Libertarianism, Zeitgeist Movement, etc., they see this from the POV of "normal" people: murder caused by Bitcoin and therefore it must be stopped.

And who gains in all of this? Not some phantom government which is supposedly evil and coercive -- they're just taking bribes like all good Capitalists. It's the fucking dinosaur banking sector.

[jojo69]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell

ancient history

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell

ancient history

Yes, I think someone even talked about it in the 2012 Bitcoin conference, but now that "normal" people are sending the RT link around on Facebook, whole new game plan.

Option 1:
They swoop in and somehow botch the arrest. He becomes a martyr. Newer, better, sites doing the same thing pop up.

Option 2:
Ignore, ignore, laugh, etc. And before you know it. One million dollars on Obama's head, and wouldn't you know it? Someone "predicts correctly".

Apart from sounding almost as unbelievable and crazy as Bitcoin itself, plz tell what's stopping either of those 2 options?

[Rez]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337897.0

TL;DR: Someone made an "assassination market" website in plain sight... false flag, predictable timing with the bubble/politics/press coverage and shit like that.

In this case, I call bullshit as well and have concluded it's:

A) Someone's "art project";
B) Someone trolling the Bitcoin community;
C) Someone trolling the sometimes-parallel-sometimes-not 'anarcho'-capitalist community;
D) Someone's giant "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M EDGY" attention-seeking statement to the world;
E) A potential opportunity for some guy to scam a bunch of BTC from white males with anger issues.

I think a "false flag" is pushing it.  The simplest answer is always the best.

[AnonyMint]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337897.0

TL;DR: Someone made an "assassination market" website in plain sight... false flag, predictable timing with the bubble/politics/press coverage and shit like that.

In this case, I call bullshit as well and have concluded it's:

A) Someone's "art project";
B) Someone trolling the Bitcoin community;
C) Someone trolling the sometimes-parallel-sometimes-not 'anarcho'-capitalist community;
D) Someone's giant "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M EDGY" attention-seeking statement to the world;
E) A potential opportunity for some guy to scam a bunch of BTC from white males with anger issues.

I think a "false flag" is pushing it.  The simplest answer is always the best.

Occam's Razor is a fuzzy heuristic not a never fail rule. Any programmer should know the difference in reliability of a heuristic and a deterministic algorithm.

I say the secret agencies of government are planting these so they can ramp up regulation over time.

Remember Rumsfield admitted the $trillions in black budget missing from the Dept of Defense. Former Asst to Secretary of HUD, Catherine Austin Fitts also documents this black budget at her http://solari.com

Then the next day all the proof was destroyed when WTC7 fell free-fall perfectly onto its base footprint (demolition style) without a plane ever hitting it. Armstrong's evidence (confiscated by the SEC in his bogus contempt case) linking the NY Club bankers to the Russian mob was also destroyed in WTC7. Who knows how much SEC paperwork was lost. Convenient.

Sorry it wasn't done by a few guys riding camels.

Objective truth doesn't have to hurt:

http://ae911truth.org

2000 architechs and engineers say so

[Rez]

"False flag" is being called so often these days that it is losing any genuine meaning.

Plus it's too often the argument from ignorance - "Well, what else could it possibly be?"

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A) Someone's "art project";
B) Someone trolling the Bitcoin community;
C) Someone trolling the sometimes-parallel-sometimes-not 'anarcho'-capitalist community;
D) Someone's giant "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M EDGY" attention-seeking statement to the world;
E) A potential opportunity for some guy to scam a bunch of BTC from white males with anger issues.

Thanks.
Not to belittle your post but I really wish I could believe in those, even the scam one.

"False flag" is being called so often these days that it is losing any genuine meaning.

Understood. I used the same words others were using in the press thread.

Plus it's too often the argument from ignorance - "Well, what else could it possibly be?"

fear.

I have a bad feeling/hunch that that site could be an ignition point for a whole lot of problems.
What do we do?

[blablahblah]

"False flag" is being called so often these days that it is losing any genuine meaning.

Plus it's too often the argument from ignorance - "Well, what else could it possibly be?"

Yup, if you cant prove it you must be a conspiracy nut (unless you're talking about WMD's and terrorists ofc).

Guys, let's not get caught up in the semantics. Someone did it. They picked a really good moment (for them) with maximum public exposure. We don't know who this "Samurai" guy is, and I don't see how finding out would even be helpful, unless it somehow helps in talking him into taking the site down.

[AnonyMint]

"False flag" is being called so often these days that it is losing any genuine meaning.

Plus it's too often the argument from ignorance - "Well, what else could it possibly be?"

Yup, if you cant prove it you must be a conspiracy nut (unless you're talking about WMD's and terrorists ofc).

You mean like in Syria recently the terrorists spilled sarin gas in their own neighborhoods and they cut off the arms and legs of a Christian girl and waited for the quite a considerable length of time for her to die.

So many conspiracies, so many dead people, so little time. I see a bright chaotic future ahead as the the global debt contagion takes hold around 2016.

Who will have time to be a conspiracy nut?

Who will have time to take down sites?

There's your game theory. Chaos my friend. You are not prepared. No one is.

[lindatess]

Stick with Alex Jones and Peter Schiff.

Max Keiser is just hyping the cryptocoins to make money.

Furthermore, false flags happen all the time around us. We just don't pay attention to them. They usually don't affect us.
In fact rather than less false flags, we should assume more should occur as people come to the realisation that agencies and even small organisations (bikies and gangs) have the opportunity to launch one!

[blablahblah]

Who will have time to take down sites?

I didn't suggest taking the site down by force. I'm suggesting somehow talking to him so he changes his mind. The difference is important.

There's your game theory. Chaos my friend. You are not prepared. No one is.

But we can choose what kind of chaos we want to live in. I would prefer a nice kind.

[AnonyMint]

Chaos means you don't have time to keep up with all the freedom. Just ride it.

What you think is correct has nothing to do with it.

There will be too much shit each of us don't agree with nor understand in the same shared way.

Bottom-up, individualism is a bitch of an adjustment psychologically when you've been accustomed to top-down, collectivism.

Fuck the regulators. You won't be able to control a damn thing, except maybe yourself.

[coinpr0n]

waste of btc for all parties involved. i'm guessing it's a scam that won't last long.

[blablahblah]

Chaos means you don't have time to keep up with all the freedom. Just ride it.

Evil things happen because a few evil people were more organised. It's always like that.

Bottom-up, individualism is a bitch of an adjustment psychologically when you've been accustomed to top-down, collectivism.

^
(Talk of "new paradigm" -- must be near the top of the bubble.)
What you're talking about is extremist, full of flaws, and will not play out how you think it will play out. It's all fun and games when theorising on politics fora about "which ideological story is better: Anarchy or Socialism?" But when people start playing with others' lives, I think it's time someone told you that you guys need more theory homework.

[blablahblah]

waste of btc for all parties involved. i'm guessing it's a scam that won't last long.

It's Bitcoin. The site operator couldn't reverse the transactions even if he wanted to. If, by some stroke of luck he changed his mind and decided to shut the site down:
a) He's potentially got some very angry and dangerous customers.
b) It would be difficult to convincingly get rid of the coins, say, by donating them to a charity, or do anything at all to protect himself from the wrath of other people.

Either way, he risks not escaping alive. Therefore: serious concern that his plan is to get martyred.

[AnonyMint]

Chaos means you don't have time to keep up with all the freedom. Just ride it.

Evil things happen because a few evil people were more organised. It's always like that.

Bottom-up, individualism is a bitch of an adjustment psychologically when you've been accustomed to top-down, collectivism.

^
(Talk of "new paradigm" -- must be near the top of the bubble.)
What you're talking about is extremist, full of flaws, and will not play out how you think it will play out. It's all fun and games when theorising on politics fora about "which ideological story is better: Anarchy or Socialism?" But when people start playing with others' lives, I think it's time someone told you that you guys need more theory homework.

Look at the chart of Rome's population falling from 1.4 million to 30,000.

Global financial implosions are chaotic.

Your ordered world is going to take a flying fuck.

Order is being propped up by debt. Check out this chart of developed countries TOTAL debt-to-GDP, e.g. 550% in UK:

http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/11855-total-debt-to-gdp.html#axzz2iu5C4Y4Z

[blablahblah]

Look at the chart of Rome's population falling from 1.4 million to 30,000.

A model you'd like to follow?

Global financial implosions are chaotic.

a) No. There has never been one, so you wouldn't know.
b) Aggregate human behaviour is chaotic.
c) Chaos theory is a theory about the behaviour and evolution of complex dynamic systems. You seem to be confusing the general idea that things are unpredictable with different ideas of wanton destruction.

Your ordered world is going to take a flying fuck.

Order is being propped up by debt. Check out this chart of developed countries TOTAL debt-to-GDP, e.g. 550% in UK:

http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/11855-total-debt-to-gdp.html#axzz2iu5C4Y4Z

You assume too much.
And you don't seem to understand the issues.
For example: Japan owes no debt to the outside world. What the media have labelled debt there is just credit. Some countries have it bad for various reasons, for example: deregulation of the banking sector which allowed the banks to become (more) corrupt and trade among themselves, while withholding credit from the people, thus turning the GFC into a real crisis rather than just imaginary bullshit where the banks' dodgy books didn't add up.

So when you say "order is propped up by debt", you're completely wrong. If anything, credit is being propped by (relative) order.

[AnonyMint]

Look at the chart of Rome's population falling from 1.4 million to 30,000.

A model you'd like to follow?

Global financial implosions are chaotic.

a) No. There has never been one, so you wouldn't know.
b) Aggregate human behaviour is chaotic.
c) Chaos theory is a theory about the behaviour and evolution of complex dynamic systems. You seem to be confusing the general idea that things are unpredictable with different ideas of wanton destruction.

Your ordered world is going to take a flying fuck.

Order is being propped up by debt. Check out this chart of developed countries TOTAL debt-to-GDP, e.g. 550% in UK:

http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/11855-total-debt-to-gdp.html#axzz2iu5C4Y4Z

You assume too much.
And you don't seem to understand the issues.
For example: Japan owes no debt to the outside world. What the media have labelled debt there is just credit. Some countries have it bad for various reasons, for example: deregulation of the banking sector which allowed the banks to become (more) corrupt and trade among themselves, while withholding credit from the people, thus turning the GFC into a real crisis rather than just imaginary bullshit where the banks' dodgy books didn't add up.

So when you say "order is propped up by debt", you're completely wrong. If anything, credit is being propped by (relative) order.

I suggest you read this:

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/10/hidden-debt-must-still-be-repayed/

Debt restructuring is always paid by someone. The only issue is who will pay and how we go about getting them to pay.

The difference range the gamut from "off with their heads" (the loan sharks and crony officials) to Madmax (when the former two can ram it down the throat of the middle class by suckering the middle class into socialism).

Either way, we will see a period of chaos.

The order and the debt go hand-in-hand, no matter which you put first in your sentence.

[blablahblah]

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/10/hidden-debt-must-still-be-repayed/

Fractional Reserve banking.
If all else fails, bad debts can be written off and deleted. But banks are greedy. As long as a bank can avoid doing that, it will. They want to have their cake (conjure up easy loans despite a lack of deposit funds) and eat it too (if a debt goes bad, keep the usury payments ticking along by repackaging the debt and selling it to someone else.

The FRB system has been gamed and Bitcoin is a much needed wake-up call.

[blablahblah]

Updated OP:


This is how I see things potentially playing out. At first, nobody takes the threat seriously. Everyone who has followed Bitcoin has seen so many scams and would-be disasters that were supposed to destroy Bitcoin but failed, that we've become numb to it all.

Occasionally a few coins get deposited, and it's seen as black humour for the lulz. Who cares if it's probably a scam and the creators will disappear with the money? It's Bitcoin -- stuff like that happens all the time. It's a risk people take when trying to remain anonymous, and 2-party escrow is still in beta. Authorities probably could take down the website if they wanted to. IF.

Meanwhile, the funds slowly add up and eventually they reach a tipping point. Whether it's because of slow accumulation or rising exchange rate doesn't matter. Some big-name politician gets killed, and that's when the SHTF.

Suddenly, the news is 100 times worse than Silk Road ever was. Massive regulation ensues. Innocent Bitcoin enthusiasts, miners, early adopters, and developers get arrested. Masses of people who don't care about any alternative political systems like Laissez-faire, Anarchy, Anarcho-Capitalism, Libertarianism, Zeitgeist Movement, etc., they see this from the POV of "normal" people: murder caused by Bitcoin and therefore it must be stopped.

And who gains in all of this? Not some phantom government which is supposedly evil and coercive -- they're just taking bribes like all good Capitalists. It's the fucking dinosaur banking sector.