Merit system should be removed !

[DdmrDdmr]

personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts

And just how do you expect the “quality” of the posts to be determined if not by a system such as the Merit System? There’s no AI algorithm that’s going to do that (yet), so at least we (the Forum community) can determine what posts are a contribution, and thus reward them for it.
I came in late into Bitcointalk, early this year, and accepted the Merit System without much resistance. Overall, it acts as a counterbalance to all the spam posts that are clogging Forum Sections with gibberish talk.

as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum

Tried to make heads or tails about what you were saying here, but failed to understand what you meant about needing BTC, and the relation it has to posting quality. Is there a correlation we should be aware of there? The richer the wiser ?

lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree

Sure many will agree with you, but most will probably all have a common denominator looking through their post history: detritus.
It´s really down to where you put your focus. Just stick to the golden rule: Merit is not a right you’re born with but a gain that requires effort.

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[popoyuyun]

personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts

as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum

lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree

proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3402060.0

Actually i also support with the delete merit. But if merit is deleted in this forum i'm sure more people will abuse it like making a lot of ID and it will look easy to climb the rank with just created a new ID. So i think removing merit will also help people who want to cheat on this forum. The presence of merit spur us to make high quality post as well by competing with others.

[fuck4ass]

personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts

Don't think that merit is a big hindrance on leveling up , make it as a motivation though , I know it's hard leveling up or ranking up , but then again.
Merit applied because it has benefits not just on the forum but to our self such as , we can practice saying and writing english , and we can improve the way we write though.

Still you should be thankful than complaining.

Hey dude, how are you in our position the new users after knowing the merit system? Maybe you're an old user and I know this merit system is new. Surely the old users do not need to scavenge merit because at their current rank is sufficient. New users complain about this because of the unfairness of this system. For example I see a lot of old users make spam post (in my opinion) but given merit. We complain because it is unfair to this merit system. Following the challenge merit any newbie fear. For fear of being mistaken for spammers etc.

[Vod]

no offense but all who have given reply above are already having high merits and im damn sure users who has no merits or less merits will agree with my thread let the comments come then we can decide !

No.

New members do not dictate the rules of our community. What kind of messed up system would that be?

[o_e_l_e_o]

New members do not dictate the rules of our community. What kind of messed up system would that be?

Hey guys, I know I've just joined the golf club, and I know there are hundreds of members who have been playing at the club for years, paying their fees, supporting the club, donating to help refurbish the clubhouse, spreading the word, putting money behind the bar, etc. but I DEMAND that the entire booking system is changed to suit me. Additionally, I will leave divots all over the course, not repair the ground, not replace the flag, talk loudly and never be ready to take my shot.*

*Feel free to replace with metaphor more familiar to you than golf (e.g. gym, bar/pub, library, place of worship)

[Goldenprog]

Why the majority of people do not accept any new change or update in the forum? , they want everything in an easy way ( easy rank up , easy money ..), that's why they always stop in the same place ( no improvement in their skills..).

I got 35 merit's , I know it is not enough to rank up but  I always give a great effort to get other points.  I have made many threads to help people, and suggested some ideas. And of course, many of my attempts have failed, but  I am always trying to improve myself.
And it is sure that  I will not stop until I get my goals ( Full member, Sr ...).

Simply, you must accept any new change ( like, Merit system ), and deal with it in an  intelligent  way, and just improve yourself and behaviours.

I agree with you. If the merid rule is deleted. Then many people post No benefit.claught busy raising rank.berusaha how where can get nya.kita must be too. I agree there is merid.maka system people can think for posting quality No origin.

[asteria]

Actually my opinion on this will be 50/50.

Why?

Because Merit System created to avoid spammers and to promote quality post in Bitcointalk and I think it is good to have merit system at all but sometimes I do think that it's very slow to rank up in the forum. Maybe the quote, "no pain no gain" will apply, but there are times that I used to think that maybe if there's no merit system I do already ranked up. I think the removal of the Merit System will be on the hands of Theymos, and the Merit System itself has been supported by many of the users of this forum including the campaign managers.

[MainIbem]

Any request such as this is from a lazy person.

[TMAN]

Any request such as this is from a lazy person.

100% and the correlation of people moaning/bitching/against merits From people with <10 merits is rather amusing.

Merits are not hard to get, just adapt.

The definition of insanity, is, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So adapt or die you shitposting fucks. Change is good, I recommend reading who moved my cheese, if you can't understand it then I recommend you fuck off from the main section of this forum

[Jet Cash]

I agree with you. If the merid rule is deleted. Then many people post No benefit.claught busy raising rank.berusaha how where can get nya.kita must be too. I agree there is merid.maka system people can think for posting quality No origin.

Please can you do a bit of work on your posting before you hit the "post" button. Spelling would help, and the removal of foreign language words. The first sentence is the only part of your post that I understood.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Please can you do a bit of work on your posting before you hit the "post" button. Spelling would help, and the removal of foreign language words. The first sentence is the only part of your post that I understood.

I can't believe I'm saying this to you of all people, but I would recommend the ignore button 

[Jet Cash]

I can't believe I'm saying this to you of all people, but I would recommend the ignore button 

I think I've worn it out - I was thinking of starting a thread asking for a larger one.

I was tempted, but I've been looking at some other sites, and a lot of the problems here stem from different policies adopted by the admins. For example, Steemit has members running paid bots to increase post ranking, and if you come from that environment, then I can understand the confusion of some newbies. I think that policy at Steemit is wrong, but they have a completely different economic model for the site. I believe that the combination of activity and merit in its pure form is the best concept for Bitcoin Talk. The big problem seems to be in preserving its purity.

All that doesn't imply approval of posting in unintelligible swamp speak though.

[mangtomas]

personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts

as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum

lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree

Instead of whining here, start doing your research and find some article/s or idea/s that will help the bitcointalk community. I started from the scratch (0 merit) just like you. If you focus on just earning merits, you will feel that earning it, is so difficult. But, if you focus on learning, you will enjoy your time here. There are so many ideas that you can contribute in our community, you just need to find your happiness or your strength, e.g., you are good on making infographics, about blockchain, cryptography or anything that you are good at(of course related to bitcoin). I am sure you will earn your merit if you just contribute without thinking any return (merit). Knowledge is power.

nice! i think you rigth sir. and 100℅ i vote to your post. even you make a lot of post but you can't  earn merit because of not good or not quality post you maked. so remember you saying. that first. make a good research about crypto or blackchain or ech.. . so after that merit cames next.

[theyoungmillionaire]

nice! i think you rigth sir. and 100℅ i vote to your post. even you make a lot of post but you can't  earn merit because of not good or not quality post you maked. so remember you saying. that first. make a good research about crypto or blackchain or ech.. . so after that merit cames next.

 “Vote” is the only word I understand with your reply. I am not running for any position here, so no need for vote.

[TMAN]

nice! i think you rigth sir. and 100℅ i vote to your post. even you make a lot of post but you can't  earn merit because of not good or not quality post you maked. so remember you saying. that first. make a good research about crypto or blackchain or ech.. . so after that merit cames next.

 “Vote” is the only word I understand with your reply. I am not running for any position here, so no need for vote.

theyoungmillionaire for president!

[l10no]

Where are you came from, I see your english sentence were so great, for your opinion I dissagree with you, if theymos have to remove merit system, it be more easy for someone to get bigger profit here,

[coinlocket$]

Merit it's good for some reasons: (but need some changes, imho)
- Merit is a good system, prevent scammers to join high rank signature with high ranks alts.
- Merit is designed to improve quality of post, and someone is doing his or her best.
- Merit is a good way to find alts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0 hoping more of them will be tagged!

What needs to be changed?
- Merit hasn't removed the spam, maybe has reduced it, but who knows? Spam can be a personal concept and without statistics is impossible to tell if it is true.
- We need more sources; forum is not covered on all areas with an adequate number of sources.
- Decrease the number of required merit to advance rank. (30% in my opinion is a good number). Why? Abusers still abuse the system and they really do not care if they need to trade/buy/pass form alt 100/200/500 sMerit but for normal people is a good balancing after the end of the airdropped merit, while ±30% for an abuser means nothing, for a normal users means a lot!

[Vod]

What needs to be changed?
- Merit hasn't removed the spam, maybe has reduced it, but who knows?

Merit has not been around long enough to effectively reduce spam.   

Theymos stated that although it may be abused, eventually the abusers will run out of merit.

Right now there is a market for merit, so people just assume they will be able to buy their way past the wall if they need, so they spam as usual.  Once these sales dry up people will stop spamming.

Just have patience. 

[kucing69]

I very much agree.
Because of the Urals rank using merit is very difficult in my opinion, my activity was more than 150 but keep my account member.
Not everyone will merit sharing them with us, there's even a group of people who only share with her group to raise their rank but does not share their merit with others.

[Baresh]

personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts

Going to heaven is not an easy as 123, you need good deeds to climb up the stairs.

as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum

You must study the prayer before start praying, besides shooting a stone in a big rock will never change anything.