Merit system should be removed !

[tuanytcc]

The merit system only rewards cheaters, sychophants and bullies.

Just look at the two most merited posts and you can see everything wrong with the current system.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3335861.msg35312088#msg35312088

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3335861.msg35359474#msg35359474

It is a giant human centipede with the high ranking members tongues rammed up each other anus's.

Of course, merit system has not been a perfect fair system. However, you will not find any perfect stuffs in real life, right?
Furthermore, the system has changed, contributed to change the forum in better, possitive way. So I love the system.
By the way, I also hope that Theymos will attach stricter rules to the current system to control cheaters, abusers a bit better.

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What needs to be changed?
- Merit hasn't removed the spam, maybe has reduced it, but who knows?

Merit has not been around long enough to effectively reduce spam.  

Theymos stated that although it may be abused, eventually the abusers will run out of merit.

Right now there is a market for merit, so people just assume they will be able to buy their way past the wall if they need, so they spam as usual.  Once these sales dry up people will stop spamming.

Just have patience.  

I think it will never slow down, most of the spam comes from low-rank people who do bounty and posts around the forum.
In my opinion the quality of the posts of some people will grow while the average quality will drop as these people will spam almost random things around the forum trying to take some points, and as a consequence, spam will increase more and more as the airdrop will end!

[TheUltraElite]

perhaps the merit system needs reform and revision for the newcomers, but the very idea of assessing the quality of posts is good. If you look at the statistics, the number of users on the form has doubled in the last year and the administration must somehow manage a huge amount of spam and garbage posts.

The huge amount of spam is not reduced by the merit system. It is preventing people who spam to rank up. Earlier you could shitpost the entire few months and then end up with a rank of "Member" - now its not so and thus it is functioning as it was supposed to. Posts that are one-liner vomitposts wont ever get any merit.

Instead of it to be removed they should be provisions for other methods of ranking or do you suggest it be removed and ranks remain at a point.

It is working fine if you ask me. No other system is needed to rank up. Merit and activity together is good. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

I think it will never slow down, most of the spam comes from low-rank people who do bounty and posts around the forum.
In my opinion the quality of the posts of some people will grow while the average quality will drop as these people will spam almost random things around the forum trying to take some points, and as a consequence, spam will increase more and more as the airdrop will end!

It will slow down since people will realize in a few months that they will never ever get a single merit by shitposting. They will be forced to leave the forum. Airdrops and all might continue - shittoken airdrops being begged by shitposters.

[hilariousetc]

The merit system only rewards cheaters, sychophants and bullies.

Just look at the two most merited recent replies and you can see everything wrong with the current system.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3335861.msg35312088#msg35312088

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3335861.msg35359474#msg35359474

It is a giant human centipede with the high ranking members tongues rammed up each others anus's.

Those posts probably don't deserve that much merit but people are free to leave merit as they wish, but these couple of examples don't make a mockery of the entire system. Sure, people will give it out for jokes they like or to people they like more, but what about all the merit that is given out for excellent, well-deserving posts? As long as the generic barely coherent posts in spam mega threads don't get any then it's mostly working as it should.

[TMAN]

The merit system only rewards cheaters, sychophants and bullies.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3335861.msg35312088#msg35312088

I'll bite here, the OP asked what heroic action would get merits, so I gave him one, That is not bullying it is replying to his request. Now as someone with ONE merit recieved I can see you being sour at that, but lets take a closer look at your posts..

Post count.    1204 in 6.5 months, now that is a large number of posts.
arghhh you are a bounty spamming Altcoin spazz.. WTF why are you moaning about merits?
on your 1st page of latest posts 13 of the fuckers are bounties, 6 are in altcoin discussion and 1 is in meta (the moaning smelly vagina one above)

So iconoclast, how in buddha's earth are any of those cancer posts worth merit? do you not see the correlation between being a bounty hunting, ICO sniffing altcoin lover and fuck all Merits?

now to look at my post further, it was fucking funny - it made people laugh, humor is good and people appreciate it. Sure one of my shaved pubes off my left testicle knows more about bitcoin than you but I am no Nullius when it comes to posting about Bitcoin or Encryption.

My advise to you would be to pull up that cheeky pink thong, stop bounty hunting and altcoin wanking and find a niche that others appreciate.

I do hope that helps you out princess.

[ahasan909]

Actually, I said No, it's a great system,  cause only few can gain this merit and got his position where he needs. Merit system can imply a members position. I hope you can understand why merit and why it won't remove

[Jet Cash]

The merit system won't have a serious impact until posting on most of the boards requires you to have at least 10 merits.

[dusunbesemah]

personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts

as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum

lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree

proof of merit abuse done on this forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3402060.0

Yes I agree with your opinion the merit system should be abolished because it is too difficult for us newcomers to get the merit now and this is only beneficial for the old account users not for us.

[actmyname]

Yes I agree with your opinion the merit system should be abolished because it is too difficult for us newcomers to get the merit now and this is only beneficial for the old account users not for us.

Thanks for repeating what OP says and condensing it down into one tiny asinine post.

"it's so hard to get merit!"

Why do you need merit? To rank up? Why do you need to rank up? To join signature campaigns? Then do you really care about contributing to the forum?

[TrumpD]

In your dreams. That wouldn't happen. There has been a considerable amount of improved post quality since the merit system was introduced. People have even gone as far as dropping posts with graphs and all, and given extensive responses. So I would say that it has worked to an extent. However, I would support you if you said that merit outlets should be increased. i.e. number of merits, and the accounts/people who can give merits to others should be increased, as there are loads of quality posts which go unnoticed due to very few people having the power to give merits.

[Emilyp]

The new comers  coming in, should be focused on knowing their way around here and how to get the right information from the forum. The forum was not built for merit system. What the forum was built for is for learning and provisions are made for that for the new comers.

[Vashti]

No need to remove merit, let us stay in Jr. Member forever, isn't it great?? Ranking is pain in the ass, if you rank up everybody will check your profile, check everyone who gives you merits trace this individual if you have return some merit to them and you will be given a mark with merit farmer.  Isn't that stupid? Then they will check your post and judge it by their high standard then they will say many drama that you don't deserves merit, there are better post than this deserves for merit, are they stupid? They will monitor also everyone whom you.award your sMerit then they will say it is your alt.acount but it's your neigbors account and you'd like to share them one or two merit you have for their nice post then this people mark you both, isn't that stupidity? Yeah some here are more stupider than me... man's up!!!!?

[goigiacmove]

No need to remove merit, let us stay in Jr. Member forever, isn't it great?? Ranking is pain in the ass, if you rank up everybody will check your profile, check everyone who gives you merits trace this individual if you have return some merit to them and you will be given a mark with merit farmer.  Isn't that stupid? Then they will check your post and judge it by their high standard then they will say many drama that you don't deserves merit, there are better post than this deserves for merit, are they stupid? They will monitor also everyone whom you.award your sMerit then they will say it is your alt.acount but it's your neigbors account and you'd like to share them one or two merit you have for their nice post then this people mark you both, isn't that stupidity? Yeah some here are more stupider than me... man's up!!!!?

Another merit complainer?
If you have the ability to compose helpful, good written-English threads, you will earn merits undoubtly.
And no one in the forum can complain you that you earn those merit points illegally. The fact is only illegal merit receivers feel worried about their behaviours, their merit history, and only those ones will be reported, red tagged by other forum users.
Let's change your minds first, then learn how to earn merits legally alongside with improving your current level of knowledge and skills.
I suggest you to learn from iasenko (use forum search or Google to find that guy and his helpful topic on how to rank up in the forum after the launch of merit system).

Good luck, fella.

[Abal Abal]

personally me think merit system should not be there and ranks should be done via there post counts and quality of its posts

as of its too hard for new comers too to gather merits from old members who always do trades and exchange merit only for them but the person who is new and if he dont has btc to exchange then its less chance for him even after posting quality post on bitcointalk forum

lol now dont give me merit for this i know the points which me said is true and many will agree

Instead of starting this kind of topic, start doing your research and find some article/s or idea/s that will help the bitcointalk community. I started from the scratch (0 merit) just like you. If you focus on just earning merits, you will feel that earning it, is so difficult. But, if you focus on learning, you will enjoy your time here. There are so many ideas that you can contribute in our community, you just need to find your happiness or your strength, e.g., you are good on making infographics, about blockchain, cryptography or anything that you are good at(of course related to bitcoin). I am sure you will earn your merit if you just contribute without thinking any return (merit). Knowledge is power.

I like this post. helpful and giving advice.
too heavy when we think about how to get merit. live what it is according to the command and the rules of the game. there you will get it all.
thank you

[TMAN]

perhaps the merit system needs reform and revision for the newcomers, but the very idea of assessing the quality of posts is good. If you look at the statistics, the number of users on the form has doubled in the last year and the administration must somehow manage a huge amount of spam and garbage posts.

I am in agreement with some of this. There is a real need for changes where the merit system is concerned, the main problem i see with the system is that there aren't enough merit sources. Most of the users on the forum have just about enough merit on their accounts to maintain their rank therefore they wont be handing out merit. The only group of people that can routinely hand out merit when they see posts that deserve it are merit sources. I doubt that there are more than 150 merit sources here and everyday the forum averages 8,400 posts, there is no way that these merit sources can cover the bulk of these posts. Hopefully themos adds more sources, especially thos with hi?'

1st post in 8 months and you are talking about merit? did you purchase this account by any chance?

[Your Point Is Invalid]

perhaps the merit system needs reform and revision for the newcomers, but the very idea of assessing the quality of posts is good. If you look at the statistics, the number of users on the form has doubled in the last year and the administration must somehow manage a huge amount of spam and garbage posts.

I am in agreement with some of this. There is a real need for changes where the merit system is concerned, the main problem i see with the system is that there aren't enough merit sources. Most of the users on the forum have just about enough merit on their accounts to maintain their rank therefore they wont be handing out merit. The only group of people that can routinely hand out merit when they see posts that deserve it are merit sources. I doubt that there are more than 150 merit sources here and everyday the forum averages 8,400 posts, there is no way that these merit sources can cover the bulk of these posts. Hopefully themos adds more sources, especially thos with hi?'

1st post in 8 months and you are talking about merit? did you purchase this account by any chance?

I've been busy with school for the longest while, however, im back home for the holidays with a lot of free time on my hands.

ps. the post you quoted wasn't complete, it was posted accidentally

[Your Point Is Invalid]

perhaps the merit system needs reform and revision for the newcomers, but the very idea of assessing the quality of posts is good. If you look at the statistics, the number of users on the form has doubled in the last year and the administration must somehow manage a huge amount of spam and garbage posts.

I am in agreement with some of this. There is a real need for changes where the merit system is concerned, the main problem i see with the system is that there aren't enough merit sources. Most of the users on the forum have just about enough merit on their accounts to maintain their rank therefore they wont be handing out merit. The only group of people that can routinely hand out merit when they see posts that deserve it are merit sources. I doubt that there are more than 150 merit sources here and everyday the forum averages 8,400 posts, there is no way that these merit sources can cover the bulk of these posts. Hopefully theymos adds more sources, especially those who are active in local boards.

edit: there are only 79 merit sources on the forum that has averages 8,400 posts per day

[TheUltraElite]

I am in agreement with some of this. There is a real need for changes where the merit system is concerned, the main problem i see with the system is that there aren't enough merit sources.

People can apply as merit sources as well. There is a procedure for this which has been posted by themyos on their first post about merit. Problem is not many people are willing to take this up or many application are still left out here unreviewed.

Most of the users on the forum have just about enough merit on their accounts to maintain their rank therefore they wont be handing out merit

Merit - permanent.
sMerit - spendable thus temporary.
I think you are confused between these two. Merits of a member will never decrease once gained. sMerits will be used up gradually as they spend them. sMerits of merit sources are refilled every month (gradually I think).

The only group of people that can routinely hand out merit when they see posts that deserve it are merit sources. I doubt that there are more than 150 merit sources here and everyday the forum averages 8,400 posts, there is no way that these merit sources can cover the bulk of these posts. Hopefully theymos adds more sources, especially those who are active in local boards.

Theymos is welcoming local board communities to appoint merit sources.
In general there is no use crying about merits. It will take time but in the meantime shitposting will reduce.

[Jet Cash]

I doubt that there are more than 150 merit sources here and everyday the forum averages 8,400 posts, there is no way that these merit sources can cover the bulk of these posts. Hopefully themos adds more sources, especially thos with hi?'

I doubt if there are more than 150 posts worthy of merit. It's the other 8,000+ posts that are the problem, and the reason that a merit system has become essential.

[athanz88]

8400 posts and i can assure you that there are not many meritorious posts from that. The strategies that can reduce spam ( that i can think of) are :
1. Jr. Member can only join social media bounty
2. Signature bounty or campaign can only be joined by member and upper ranks.
3. Make buying and selling account as an ilegal things in official rules.
You may say im a hypocrite because i wear signature, but believe me, i earn this sr. Member rank in this merit system by trying hard to contribute to this forum.