Behaviour on the Speculation board: women not welcome?

[nanobrain]

At this point, remembering that crypto is going to bring us a Brave New World Order (supposedly according to many here)...lets lighten things up with a game.

Spot the Female



Remember these are the fiat folk you all supposedly hate and want to replace.

Plus ca change?

i didn't see any boobs, so there are no females in that picture 

Personally, I see a lot of huge tits

I do have a sense of humour!!

My point with all this is that BTC appears to be dominated by men who ironically hold very similar values to the men who run fiat.

If we want to change the world we are all going to have to change our attitudes and try being more respectful to each other and understand that images/words on the internet have power.

As a mod here with whom I have had an interesting discussion said:
"I'm sure you will find it true in many more ways that some of us have become the very things we used to abhor."

well, i can't disagree with you. it's a trend i have noticed too, but women aren't naturally aren't attracted to technology or economics/currency as much as men are. if anything, the men here are probably more nerdy.. so it would be nice if other women were into BTC, so we'd have an excuse to talk to them 

the males here are alpha for certain, but i don't think they are as bad as sociopath wall streeters.

What's interesting is that if you look at the stats (I'm not sure about the US but in the UK and AU definitely) males have been overtaken by females at school in subjects such as maths and science. 

Anyway, BTC is approaching my sell-level so I'm off for a trade or three: a girl's gotta make a dollar.

[TheKoziTwo]

Instead of trying to change the behavior of men you may want to take a deep look at yourself. There is nothing wrong with objectifying women, and women objectify men all the time. Porn is morally right and so is prostitution. To me this looks like a topic about an envious feminist lost in male dominated space. If you're going to convert people to your ideology this is certainly not the place! Young males can see right through your feminist bullshit. I'd rather look into political parties for socialist or something. It's much more likely to find males who can surrender to your world view there.

I'm secretly laughing my ass off at this topic, I'm sorry. But when you get offended by a "trollbox", it's not just the people there who have problems.

There is an ignore button, and I really don't see why you didn't use it on that one person who posted "porn" in the wall observer thread if those prettier girls bothers you so much.

Wow, what an interesting response: so, it's my fault....my first thought is that's the sort of defence rapists use.

Trying to put me in the same group as rapist, a promising start.

Porn and prostitution are morally OK... a very dubious intellectual position.

You're uncertain.

Perhaps read this before replying...there are plenty of links but I chose the FBI one because I think you are in the US

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/march_2011/human_sex_trafficking

Then you proceed to give me a link about human sex trafficking, which has absolutely nothing to do with whether porn and prostitution is moral.

I'm just envious of prettier girls LOL....so automatically, a woman who doesn't hold your views is an ugly, socialist dyke.

It never cease to amaze me how often this turns out to be the case, the fact that your so old you could probably be my mother confirms this suspicion.

I'm guessing you have a mother - how would you feel if she was raped/abused?

Where did this whole rape and abuse thing come from all of sudden? I don't see myself defending either.

But it's interesting that you say 'Young males'...which seems to imply that older, wiser heads understand the issues? You're probably right.

You believe that age and wisdom is always a correlation. Another fallacy.

And I think this word "troll" has become an easy 'get out jail' card for people to say any sort of ugly, spiteful shite and justify it..."I was only joking".  Words have power especially in medium that is virtually souly word-based.

If you can't handle it, stay away from it. What do you want to do? Arrest them ?

And as a white, middle-class female I can say I'm pretty lucky compared to many of the women around the world .

You sure are, now what does that have to do with anything exactly?

[beetcoin]

yeah, sorry but.. i agree with the guys. equating prostitution with human trafficking sounds.. feminist to me.

[jojo69]

yeah, sorry but.. i agree with the guys. equating prostitution with human trafficking sounds.. feminist to me.

see nan, there you go, you have just succeeded at reinforcing these boys' view of feminism as a no sex, no fun, shame and censorship movement...thanks


boys, feminism is none of that, feminism is about your sisters having an equal shot, about women as valued partners in society, something I think the vast majority of young people accept pretty much by default


once we dispense with that, then we can move on and have fun and enjoy being human

[beetcoin]

they're all just labels. if you label feminist as believing in equal rights, then i guess i'm a feminist. if you refer feminism to ball-busting, blame everything on alpha males.. then i am not one.

the male version of a feminist, at least in its negative connotation, as the male version of a misogynists.. the kind that threaten female actors because they play ball-busting characters. they are both extremists.

let's make one thing clear though: women suck at sports.

[jojo69]

let's make one thing clear though: women suck at sports.

or are the sports that are pushed by the media skewed toward male abilities?

there are some female biathletes out there that are straight up wicked dangerous



or what about  Kenda Lenseigne

[beetcoin]

let's make one thing clear though: women suck at sports.

or are the sports that are pushed by the media skewed toward male abilities?

there are some female biathletes out there that are straight up wicked dangerous



or what about  Kenda Lenseigne

nah, it's just that women are inferior when it comes to sports. there was a thread about it on reddit the other day. serena williams, possibly the best women's player in the world, lost a match against a world rank 200ish player... who drank and smoked during the game.

i don't think that makes me sexist though.. because it's just true 

[isthmus]

She's right, the Bitcoin world is insanely sexist.  It's not subtle, I'm not sure how you can deny it. 

Like some months ago when a woman made a vlog on youtube wherein she specifically reached out to other women, encouraging them to get involved with Bitcoin.  Then she posted it to the bitcoin subreddit, stating explicitly that it was an outreach to women.  The top voted comments were all from men saying stuff like, "look, we get it, you're looking for attention, but this really isn't doing it, you should try posting to girls gone bitcoin".  I felt like my eyes were about to start bleeding when I saw those responses.

Don't all these young guys realize that if the other half of the human race adopts bitcoin they'll be twice as rich?

[FirstAscent]

As sad as it is, a better and more general title for the this thread would be:

If you aren't libertarian, or if you aren't male, or if you aren't a computer programmer, or if your favorite movie is not The Matrix, or if you want to challenge facets of bitcoin, or if you want to challenge all the stereotypical traits of male, socially challenged, geeky, forum dwellers, and if you act like you're older than sixteen, or if you don't like to use the word 'Statist' in every other sentence, and if you think people are idiots for believing in conspiracy theories, then you're not welcome here.

[Inedible]

@nanobrain  - Don't get me wrong. I think there's plenty wrong with 'people'. You're right about rape, it's not funny because it's threatening.

I think what you're missing is both sexes are bad - they're just bad in different ways. Doesn't make one worse than the other but it does make them harder to compare.

Sure, men wave their di*ks around, women manipulate with their bodies. It's the way we were built.

Are either sex capable of bad behaviour? Yes.

Are the types of behaviour the same? No.

Imagine if I were to go to a baby forum and claim there was so much oestrogen-fuelled posting or talk of 'how to trap your man' and start posting "you women are so bad" comments. I'd have a point but I'd be missing the bigger picture.

All people have the potential for good/bad behaviour. It doesn't matter the gender.

[jarhed]

......Don't all these young guys realize that if the other half of the human race adopts bitcoin they'll be twice as rich?

....also cleaner bathrooms if only there were more unisex restrooms.
and a more organized man-cave.

[PenAndPaper]

Get back in the kitchen.

The fact that the second reply was "Get back in the kitchen" really surprises me!
I mean it took to long according to community's standards  

[Lethn]

This reminds me of a thread that was made complaining about the racists on this forum, this is a classic thing of not using your brain and clicking that ignore button at the bottom of a persons profile. These people spam the boards and deliberately try to upset people like you because it's easy, don't fall for their traps and make a huge deal about it.

As has been said many people being complained about on this forum are on my ignore list as well, usually they just go away after awhile because they're being attention whores and trying to upset people People have the right here to say whatever they want, but you also have the right and the ability to ignore them without pestering everybody else to do something about it.

[oda.krell]

You're a joke, OP.

Starting with a reasonable observation ("kinda unfriendly atmosphere for women") and then you nonchalantly let fly:

that you are basically a bunch of bitter, middle-aged, sexually frustrated, misogynistic geeks.

Ergo: You're not one bit better than those you resent.

Fuck off. That's my professional, gender neutral opinion.

[Wipeout2097]

I also blame U.S. black "gangsta" rappers and their lyrics for this crap. It's way worse since they started spitting their woman-hating garbage, a decade ago or so.

[ag@th0s]

You're a joke, OP.

Starting with a reasonable observation ("kinda unfriendly atmosphere for women") and then you nonchalantly let fly:

And perhaps a few less "I'd fap her" and soft-porn images would stop the general tone that you are basically a bunch of bitter, middle-aged, sexually frustrated, misogynistic geeks.

Ergo: You're not one bit better than those you resent.

Fuck off. That's my professional, gender neutral opinion.

ftfy - with emphasis, in case you didn't understand the meaning of the full sentence.

[Richy_T]

The people who are behaving this way are not going to change because you're complaining. This is the internet and you need to develop a thick skin pretty quickly because there are a-holes everywhere and there's only so much can be done. The mods could be doing a better job but that particular forum moves so quickly, it's would be a never-ending battle. Personally, I could do without the NSFW pictures anyway. Not because I find them particularly offensive, just because they're not really appropriate.

As I often say, if you think you could do better, do so. No one is stopping you.

With these things out of the way, I have to say to Nanobrain that whilst your complaints are not unfounded and looking through your posts, I see nothing too out of line, there does seem to be an aspect that you're looking to be offended. In the environment that you're in here, that's only going to have negative effects on yourself and no one else. Better to choose to let it go by.

Oh, porn and prostitution? There's worse jobs. I've heard stories of men down in ditches in sub-zero temperatures trying to seal up a pipe that's spewing raw sewage amongst others. You'll have a hard time convincing me that letting someone point a camera at you while you take your clothes off on an air-conditioned set or a beach in the tropics is a problem.

[Kiki112]

you can't argue with that, it's not sexist, it's fact
man are simply better at sports, that's the way we evolved, woman stayed in the cave and raise the children and man went out to hunt
we developed our bodies for physical activity more than woman and that's probably why it's so..

[oda.krell]

You're a joke, OP.

Starting with a reasonable observation ("kinda unfriendly atmosphere for women") and then you nonchalantly let fly:

And perhaps a few less "I'd fap her" and soft-porn images would stop the general tone that you are basically a bunch of bitter, middle-aged, sexually frustrated, misogynistic geeks.

Ergo: You're not one bit better than those you resent.

Fuck off. That's my professional, gender neutral opinion.

ftfy - with emphasis, in case you didn't understand the meaning of the full sentence.

Really? You want to play the exegesis game? okay, let's get back to complete OP's post...

/sigh*/

Are there actually any other women here?

Everyday I wake up and check the posts on the Wall Thread and all that's gone before are (given the time zone) US men measuring their cocks and posturing (unfair generalization in absolute terms. factually incorrect: lots of posts other than posturing.).  Really guys a Freudian would have field day with some of you. I appreciate speculating is a male dominated area but really...do you have to be so Neanderthal. (polemic remark/insult. hardly helpful in any discussion.)

I've been reading these forums since almost the beginning and fought the urge to join because internet forums tend to be frat houses in general but at least now I can press ignore on the massive flacid egos (sexual innuendo belittlement. kind of hypocritical in this context, huh?) like Walsoraj, Crumbs, Pannakke (do you even mine?) or TERA.

Since I've joined I've tried to be helpful and polite, offer some insight where possible (gosh can a noob know anything or be anything other than a spotty adolescent), tried to join in the back slapping, I've sent hopefully helpful PMs to people who have asked for information but most users don't reply and only a small percentage are actually polite - its as if your join date equals your social class. (completely unrelated rant about general unfriendliness. hardly a purely male domain.)  

Yet, you want the rest of the world to adopt BTC - well, I've got some news guys...new people love being treated like dirt...us women especially...we find it such a winning business strategy. That comes in heavy irony tags for those of you a bit slow on emotional intelligence. (another genderist put-down. classy.)

The only positive from the last 8 hours of the above thread is seeing Chodpaba again....hurrah for a polite, sensible and considered voice - I wish you'd restart your Peak/Reversal Watch thread.

The rest of you - try respecting each other and especially newcomers - the world is watching you/us now, you/we are ambassadors for Bitcoin, try and behave like adults.  And perhaps a few less "I'd fap her" and soft-porn images would stop the general tone that you are basically a bunch of bitter, middle-aged, sexually frustrated, misogynistic geeks. (my original quote. interesting format: ostensibly a conditional ("if you'd stop doing this, then..."), followed by a matter of fact claim about men ("basically" is the keyword here). it's another trash-talking remark, otherwise the phrasing doesn't make sense.)

Just a thought

Nan

PS.....and no I'm not a dyke, or not getting any etc etc...happilly married for 14 years.

tl;dr: It's the Internet, you should know how it works by now: the combination of a few real neckbeards, anonymity and teenage immaturity means there will always be some jerk posters. Doesn't mean you can't appeal to people, but accusing the predominantly male userbase of being more or less universally dicks isn't going to help your case.

[beetcoin]

if you think it's bad is it currently is.. could you imagine wall street sociopaths anonymously behind a computer? it'd be 10x worse.