Child Pornographers: I hope they die in agony [news article]

[enmaku]

Whether you agree or disagree with the morals/ethics of pedophilia, there is one thing we can probably all agree upon: Child pornography is a lot rarer than the media/government/etc. want you to think it is. Imagine the fairly small percentage of folks that would be sexually attracted to a small child. Now imagine the subset of that group that would actually act upon those urges regardless of the potential for punishment. Now imagine the subset of THAT group that would tape or take pictures of the act. NOW imagine the subset of THAT group that would be brave/stupid enough to post it online.

If you visit the "wrong" parts of the internet (as I'm sure many bitcoiners do) it's not hard to see that there is certainly a market for this stuff, but there aren't exactly a lot of producers. Unfortunately these same "wrong" parts of the internet are bringing freedom to those who would not otherwise have it - folks in oppressive countries, folks circumventing media controls, etc. all rely on FreeNet, I2P, TOR and other networks largely misused by child pornographers.

Regardless of the moral or ethical stance you take on child abuse or pornography itself, it's not worth destroying or demonizing these bastions of free speech or violating the constitutional rights of an entire nation just to catch a tiny fraction of 1% of the populous. Child pornography is one of our government's favorite scare tactics. Few words conjure emotions as strong as "child pornography" or "terrorism" - and if they've got you thinking emotionally, you're no longer thinking rationally and are therefore easier to manipulate.

[dacoinminster]

Here's to hoping this was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but just in case it wasn't: you are free to think/believe
what you will however weird this may make you look to folks around you. There's actual entertainment value
in it.

The moment your opinions about what is right and what isn't start to translate into actions (e.g. the nutcases
in the US who try to "save babies") and infringe on other people's right to do what they damn want with their
life by imposing your weird holier-than-thou way of looking at the world, you'll find that the kind of extremist
thinking you describe is very likely going to trigger a similarly intense reaction at the other end of the spectrum.

I definitely want to save me some babies - I love babies!

If I knew of a way to stop an abortion beyond voting (but short of murdering abortionists), I would totally do it.

[dacoinminster]

Yeah. But then again you live in the only ass-backwards country in the industrialized
world where anyone not in a weird minority fringe still pays attention to the issue, so
there's not much to worry about there.

All, in all, my forecast is : either you're trolling, which is always entertaining, or you're
actually serious and my forecast is : you're unlikely to make many friends around here.

A little of both, actually. I hope you'll reconsider. Won't you please be my friend? I so lonely . . .

[Xephan]

If I knew of a way to stop an abortion beyond voting (but short of murdering abortionists), I would totally do it.

That's easy, sponsor contraceptives, enhance their availability, ran comprehensive campaigns educating people about using contraceptives.

If they don't get pregnant, they won't need abortions.

[Babylon]

A clarification of my OP: My strong reaction to this news story was not out of fear for my own children (although I do what I can to keep them safe). However, I believe that being a parent makes you more sensitive to violence against ALL children.

Also, I should perhaps disclose that my political and moral beliefs place me in a tiny minority here on this forum. I am an extremely right-wing bible-thumping intolerant evangelical Christian, and believe that any sex outside of heterosexual marriage is a sin. I love it when murders and rapists get the death penalty and I do what I can to see that unborn babies live. I would live in Texas if it wasn't so darn hot. I can't stand organic food (I miss the pesticides and hormones). I'm a wild-eyed Jesus freak, and I try to live my life in complete obedience to the Bible. I get annoyed because Republicans (and the tea party) are not conservative enough for my tastes. I'm that annoying goody two-shoes church-brainwashed killjoy who condemns your fun and tells you that you need Jesus to save you from your sins.

To many of you, I am the very face of evil, much more horrifying than the pedophiles in the article above.

A couple of bits of the bible that I am curious how you feel about.   The first is Acts 5, the second is Mathew 5:39

They both seem to be in contradiction to the Conservative approach, Acts 5 to the materialist approach that is opposed to taxes and Matt 5:39 to the harsh punishments approach.

I'm not Christian myself, but I am curious how someone who is very Christian reconciles these with Conservative beliefs.

[BCEmporium]

I'm not Christian myself, but I am curious how someone who is very Christian reconciles these with Conservative beliefs.

Because 99,99% of them have no clue on what it's in the Bible (for good or for bad). Actually God is even friendly to incest, as in Loth's story.

[Babylon]

If I knew of a way to stop an abortion beyond voting (but short of murdering abortionists), I would totally do it.

That's easy, sponsor contraceptives, enhance their availability, ran comprehensive campaigns educating people about using contraceptives.

If they don't get pregnant, they won't need abortions.

I would say the biggest anti-abortion program in the US is welfare.  Having more babies means having more money, who would abort when that baby is a meal ticket?

[dacoinminster]

A couple of bits of the bible that I am curious how you feel about.   The first is Acts 5, the second is Mathew 5:39

They both seem to be in contradiction to the Conservative approach, Acts 5 to the materialist approach that is opposed to taxes and Matt 5:39 to the harsh punishments approach.

I'm not Christian myself, but I am curious how someone who is very Christian reconciles these with Conservative beliefs.

I've been kind of silly in this thread, and have been admittedly talking about my controversial (but real) beliefs to get a rise out of people because it amuses me (trolling), but I'll try to give you a serious answer to this question.

Acts 5: I'm not sure that this is the chapter of the Bible I would use against materialism, but there are plenty of others. I'd probably go with I Timothy 6:10. Regardless, materialism is a nasty cancer in the church or anywhere else. As for taxes, Mark 12:13-17 makes it clear that Christians are to pay them, which is why I intend to pay taxes on my bitcoins as close to what the law says as possible. I do however vote for smaller government any time I'm given the chance.

As for Matt 5:39, a lot of Christians are pacifists, citing this verse. Others believe it is a prohibition against avenging ourselves for wrongs done against us, and should not be considered a prohibition against self-defense or the execution of justice. I'm in the latter camp, but certainly respect anyone who takes the former view.

[dacoinminster]

Because 99,99% of them have no clue on what it's in the Bible (for good or for bad). Actually God is even friendly to incest, as in Loth's story.

LOL! Now THAT is trolling!

[JCbit]

let em all rot in jail!

[Xephan]

As for Matt 5:39, a lot of Christians are pacifists, citing this verse. Others believe it is a prohibition against avenging ourselves for wrongs done against us, and should not be considered a prohibition against self-defense or the execution of justice. I'm in the latter camp, but certainly respect anyone who takes the former view.

For what it is worth, Matt 5:39 was once explained to me as responding graciously to acts of provocation, which all of them were in historical cultural context. No idea how true it is, but for most people (right handed) to slap somebody on the right cheek involves a backhand which does sound like it might be an insulting pat rather than an act of violence.

[dacoinminster]

For what it is worth, Matt 5:39 was once explained to me as responding graciously to acts of provocation, which all of them were in historical cultural context. No idea how true it is, but for most people (right handed) to slap somebody on the right cheek involves a backhand which does sound like it might be an insulting pat rather than an act of violence.

Heh. I never expected I would be discussing and dissecting scripture on this forum of all places, even in the off-topic section.

Most of us are atheists (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=10338.0)
And many hate religion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29770.0)

I guess anything can happen.

[Xephan]

For what it is worth, Matt 5:39 was once explained to me as responding graciously to acts of provocation, which all of them were in historical cultural context. No idea how true it is, but for most people (right handed) to slap somebody on the right cheek involves a backhand which does sound like it might be an insulting pat rather than an act of violence.

Heh. I never expected I would be discussing and dissecting scripture on this forum of all places, even in the off-topic section.

Most of us are atheists (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=10338.0)
And many hate religion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29770.0)

I guess anything can happen.

Well I have this belief that the strongest opponents are often ex-believers (not necessarily religious). Just like I'm a cynic only because I was first an idealist.

[Babylon]

A clarification of my OP: My strong reaction to this news story was not out of fear for my own children (although I do what I can to keep them safe). However, I believe that being a parent makes you more sensitive to violence against ALL children.

Also, I should perhaps disclose that my political and moral beliefs place me in a tiny minority here on this forum. I am an extremely right-wing bible-thumping intolerant evangelical Christian, and believe that any sex outside of heterosexual marriage is a sin. I love it when murders and rapists get the death penalty and I do what I can to see that unborn babies live. I would live in Texas if it wasn't so darn hot. I can't stand organic food (I miss the pesticides and hormones). I'm a wild-eyed Jesus freak, and I try to live my life in complete obedience to the Bible. I get annoyed because Republicans (and the tea party) are not conservative enough for my tastes. I'm that annoying goody two-shoes church-brainwashed killjoy who condemns your fun and tells you that you need Jesus to save you from your sins.

To many of you, I am the very face of evil, much more horrifying than the pedophiles in the article above.

A couple of bits of the bible that I am curious how you feel about.   The first is Acts 5, the second is Mathew 5:39

They both seem to be in contradiction to the Conservative approach, Acts 5 to the materialist approach that is opposed to taxes and Matt 5:39 to the harsh punishments approach.

I'm not Christian myself, but I am curious how someone who is very Christian reconciles these with Conservative beliefs.

Don't bother, he was trolling.

I checked back on a couple of his posts, the pattern is recurrent.

There's even a post where he confesses to the habit of starting a
thread with an upsetting topic to get people's attention.

I've got no problem with a troll playing devil's advocate.  Those conversations can be all sorts of fun.

[BCEmporium]

Most of us are atheists

I knew I know that monkey avatar from somewhere 

[laydum]

Where is Dexter when you need him? Like for real...

[JBDive]

I'm not Christian myself, but I am curious how someone who is very Christian reconciles these with Conservative beliefs.

Because 99,99% of them have no clue on what it's in the Bible (for good or for bad). Actually God is even friendly to incest, as in Loth's story.

That's Old Testament and other than the Creation and Moses it's not overly studied, read, or preached, at least at the churches I have attended and that's cross faith. The name is Lot and if anything Lot was Date Raped by his daughters. His daughters, thought all men were dead and it was their duty to procreate, their father being the only male they got him drunk and slept with him.

Now if you dig deeper you will find the sons of the daughters founded the tribes of Ammonites and Moabites, both enemies of the Hebrews. Back when I actually took Old Testament Literature it was put forth that the story of Lot or at least the incest was put in the Bible to justify the reason for the exclusion of the Ammonites and Moabites.

[BCEmporium]

I'm not Christian myself, but I am curious how someone who is very Christian reconciles these with Conservative beliefs.

Because 99,99% of them have no clue on what it's in the Bible (for good or for bad). Actually God is even friendly to incest, as in Loth's story.

That's Old Testament and other than the Creation and Moses it's not overly studied, read, or preached, at least at the churches I have attended and that's cross faith. The name is Lot and if anything Lot was Date Raped by his daughters. His daughters, thought all men were dead and it was their duty to procreate, their father being the only male they got him drunk and slept with him.

Now if you dig deeper you will find the sons of the daughters founded the tribes of Ammonites and Moabites, both enemies of the Hebrews. Back when I actually took Old Testament Literature it was put forth that the story of Lot or at least the incest was put in the Bible to justify the reason for the exclusion of the Ammonites and Moabites.

Who gives a damn for the usual egocentric bullshit of the Bible?! God was supposed to know the future, so the "only worthy guy"'s action were unknown to God? So long for omniscience? And who wrote the story in the book of the Jews?
And I love the way his daughters get to be blamed, as usual in the machismo present at Middle East, it had to be the women's fault! Not to mention that Lot was up to give his virgin daughters (who magically turn into incest sluts in that other passage) for the people to not rape the angels...

That goofy part of the Bible is, at least, ancient porn.