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December 10, 2013, 08:36:28 PM
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Its the memory-intensive nature of scrypt mining that doesn't allow the advantages of ASIC use in Bitcoin. mining.

So the memory intensive nature of scrypt mining makes it difficult or increasingly expensive to make a litecoin asic?  Litecoin was designed to be memory intensive?  But it wasn't made asic resistant?

There is no such coin as ASIC resistant. It's just marketing , like the gold silver stuff some people cling.


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December 11, 2013, 05:06:53 AM
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There is no such coin as ASIC resistant. It's just marketing , like the gold silver stuff some people cling.

So the creators of litecoin, use the scrypt agorithm, that is memory intensive and would be difficult and cost prohibitive to create an asic for hashing, however that is not asic resistant???
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December 11, 2013, 06:04:23 AM
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There is no such coin as ASIC resistant. It's just marketing , like the gold silver stuff some people cling.

So the creators of litecoin, use the scrypt agorithm, that is memory intensive and would be difficult and cost prohibitive to create an asic for hashing, however that is not asic resistant???

Nope... it is just cost prohibitive... fast memory is expensive... and the amount needed to be 50X+ faster than a GPU is staggering.

Consider the following...

BFL 30 GH/s (@ early pre-order) and a MrTeal 30+ GH/s ASIC using the same BFL chips is ~$700, and mines ~50X faster on SHA256d than a single Radeon 7950 @ ~$350.

That is 3GB of GDDR5. For scrypt mining, that 3GB of GDDR5 @ 1800MHz communicates on a 384 bit lane with the GPU core clocked to 1200MHz (my OCs... everyone's are different), nets about 700kh/s. If you separate the core but increase the memory size and speed, you can increase the kh/s. But, that is not the same as going from a GPU core to an SHA256d ASIC core style of hashing... the GPU core doesn't make the scrypt hashrate that much faster... it's all in the memory bandwidth. That means to match the scale of an entry level ASIC for SHA256D compared to a GPU when building for scrypt... your focus is increasing memory size, speed, and and the size of the pipe communicating with the processor.

Now imagine what it costs to put that 3GB of GDDR5 on a GPU... multiply it by 50... and then add even more moving from 384 bit lanes to something like 512 bit... or higher. Add that in with a custom processor to be optimized for handling scrypt, and you have yourself one expensive piece of First Gen hardware.

I would LOVE to own one... odds are not in my favor until this is proofed and prices drop in Second Gen.

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December 11, 2013, 07:32:04 AM
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I guess we must have different definitions of the word resistant.
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December 20, 2013, 11:05:38 PM
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I just want to know if they are an actual company or just another rip-off.

I tried searching google but it just shows the website and that's not enough for me. Hopefully someone can find this out.
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December 21, 2013, 12:50:15 PM
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https://alpha-t.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Scrypt_ASIC_Prototyping_Design_Document.pdf

here is their technology... anyone good at this have any comments?
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December 25, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
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i hear the first batch is already sold out? hmmmm didn't even know they started selling them.

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December 25, 2013, 11:47:49 AM
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I just want to know if they are an actual company or just another rip-off.

I tried searching google but it just shows the website and that's not enough for me. Hopefully someone can find this out.

anything in crypto is v high risk. There is a chance its just a scam and there is a chance that they will deliver so late that it will be worthless by the time it is released.

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December 25, 2013, 05:18:12 PM
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i hear the first batch is already sold out? hmmmm didn't even know they started selling them.
They just released the damn email today. The website is down... how can they already be sold out?

It doesn't matter, these units are not profitable at current prices anyway. You will make like 200 LTC after a year if you got your unit Today.
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December 26, 2013, 02:27:03 AM
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As ussuall coindesk publishes another scam site. The site is now gone.

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December 26, 2013, 03:15:19 PM
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I just got bit info about them... not sure what are they capable to deliver but I asked some people in Manchester and there is a company with that name on the address they provided and it's there for years. So, at least, that part is legit.

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December 26, 2013, 03:48:37 PM
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I just got bit info about them... not sure what are they capable to deliver but I asked some people in Manchester and there is a company with that name on the address they provided and it's there for years. So, at least, that part is legit.
Do you say that Alpha Technology were at that place for many years now? I personally thought that they were new, at least under one year old..
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I just got bit info about them... not sure what are they capable to deliver but I asked some people in Manchester and there is a company with that name on the address they provided and it's there for years. So, at least, that part is legit.
Do you say that Alpha Technology were at that place for many years now? I personally thought that they were new, at least under one year old..

No, their mother company, Akram Accounting or something like that. They said it's 25 years old family company and I got an info from some Manchester people that Akram Accounting is on the address they provided for few years at least.

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they just released a picture of their 'viper' board on twitter ....  Huh

https://twitter.com/UkAlpha



photoshop anyone?

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December 30, 2013, 05:31:44 AM
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sorry but it's all a scam... you can't ASIC scrypt...

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December 30, 2013, 08:22:43 AM
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sorry but it's all a scam... you can't ASIC scrypt...

Another one , do you people even bother to think before typing?
You can make an asic for everything , scrypt sha256 it doesn't matter.
The cost are more prohibitive for scrypt but that's all.


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December 30, 2013, 09:29:40 AM
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Congratulations on the appointment yesterday Mohammed / Muhammad!...... http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/directors/alpha-technology-%28int%29

Am i missing something culturally, or could it be duff info?



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so if this is not a scam and someone bought the asics in one hour, who were they? do you see any changes in the hashing power these days?

btw: this is gonna kill the business for many miners who were supporting litecoin because there were no asics
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December 30, 2013, 04:05:59 PM
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so if this is not a scam and someone bought the asics in one hour, who were they? do you see any changes in the hashing power these days?

btw: this is gonna kill the business for many miners who were supporting litecoin because there were no asics
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The ASIC aren't even done yet. Alpha-T says they will begin shipping around Q2 2014.

ASICs coming out will kill it for the small time miners, but theoretically should drive up the price of scrypt coins as they become harder to mine.
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December 30, 2013, 04:08:12 PM
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so if this is not a scam and someone bought the asics in one hour, who were they? do you see any changes in the hashing power these days?

btw: this is gonna kill the business for many miners who were supporting litecoin because there were no asics

That really assumes that litecoin ASIC's are that efficient. At the moment it seems like maybe litecoin ASICS will be as powerful as self-contained GPU's, which won't really make that much of a difference.

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