Banned Account Question

[hilariousetc]

For those of you who want to see me banned, I'm sorry but if you open your history books Nazi Germany wasn't a good thing.  Theymos, I fully understand where they're coming from..at least Theymos is open to the idea if he believes this person would be a positive contributor going forward.

Corruption/nepotism/favouritism by bending the rules for certain people who have a few friends here isn't a good thing either. I'm all for second chances but only if it's fair to everyone. The rules about copy and pasting are very strict here and shouldn't be bent or broken just for one or two people otherwise it leaves a gaping hole in the system that everyone will want to exploit or use as a reference/excuse as the previous time someone was let off has been here.

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People who get caught copy and pasting should have their signature removed for a year or something. See if they stick around and contribute something worthwhile and if they do then they get it back. That way you can still contribute but you can't earn and having the signature removed for a year is better than indefinitely with a ban.

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[TMAN]

People who get caught copy and pasting should have their signature removed for a year or something. See if they stick around and contribute something worthwhile and if they do they get it back.

That is a great idea and one that theymos should consider, also make the ban lifetime if after reinstatement they join any bounties.

[Jet Cash]

People who get caught copy and pasting should have their signature removed for a year or something. See if they stick around and contribute something worthwhile and if they do then they get it back. That way you can still contribute but you can't earn and having the signature removed for a year is better than indefinitely with a ban.

I think that is a great idea as well, but only if it is the result of a successful ban appeal.

[LoyceV]

First: I'm not active in Collectibles, and I've only sparcely seen ChiBitCTy on the forum. I've got many accounts banned for plagiarism, and none of them will be missed.

I did not purposely plagiarize.  Those sig campaigns require you to have a certain amount of words in your posts.  If I quote that person, I get more words..why would I want to purposely leave that out and have less words for the post?  I wouldn't as they ask for A LOT of words.  

I don't get it: if you quote someone, the quoted part won't (or shouldn't!) be counted for the 200 character requirement for your signature campaign. And in that case you did purposely plagiarize by omitting the source.

That being said:

But someone who at any point copy/pastes garbage like this has proven that they have an utterly broken mindset when it comes to the forum, and I have a really hard time believing that such a person will be a net positive going forward.

Lack of sleep, worries and stress can temporarily cloud someone's judgement. I don't generally care for sob stories, but I do know it takes its toll on you in real life.

I'm always thinking: what if it happens to me someday? I must have embedded some images I found on Google in some of my old posts. The reference is in the URL, but not in the post.
Recently, I was typing jibberish and totally messing up quotes when I had a fever, and as a family with young kids and busy days I suffer from a continuous lack of sleep. I'd hate to lose access to my favourite forum if I ever mess up one way or another.

Lone shark shouldn't have been unbanned without adding exceptions to the rules for everyone not just one case.

But the rules do allow exceptions:

NOTE: This is meant to serve as a reference/educational/informational thread, NOT a rock solid list of rules.

I knew that I would receive crap for my last post but it was honest.  I f*#$d up during a difficult time, period. I cheated, I was wrong, it's 100% stupid and I understand what those consequences are now.  It was over a very short period of time where I wasn't by a computer and I made a major lapse in judgment and took the lazy way out.  It was mindless, a mistake..but I was wrong.  I'm guilty and I've never denied this.

This would be a good statement to put in your signature for a month, if you get unbanned.

People who get caught copy and pasting should have their signature removed for a year or something. See if they stick around and contribute something worthwhile and if they do then they get it back. That way you can still contribute but you can't earn and having the signature removed for a year is better than indefinitely with a ban.

This will be a waste of time for a generic shitposter who commits plagiarism. But I'd be in favour of this as an exception for good posters who slipped once.

If I may add my 2 satoshis, also considering Lone Shark's unban and ChiBitCTy's contributions (which I saw listed for the first time when I read this thread): I believe a (long) temporary ban would do the community more good than a permanent ban.

[KWH]

Let's suspend all the rules and have a blast; every person for themselves! Let's also give every account (army or no) a vote! Let's be a FULL democracy and vote on everything, majority rules!
Do I need a sarc tag here?

[zool2003]

Let's suspend all the rules and have a blast; every person for themselves! Let's also give every account (army or no) a vote! Let's be a FULL democracy and vote on everything, majority rules!
Do I need a sarc tag here?

Great idea we could do thing like he film purge. You can do anything you want for that one day to get it out of your system but after that you must abide by the law!

[avatar54321]

from: ChiBitCTy2 on April 29, 2018, 07:49:28 PM
I did not purposely plagiarize.  Those sig campaigns require you to have a certain amount of words in your posts.  If I quote that person, I get more words..why would I want to purposely leave that out and have less words for the post?  I wouldn't as they ask for A LOT of words.

I think there's no problem by the company to demand a minimum counts of words as requirements in signature campaigns. As long as you have been paid. First, think about it. You will just post around 30 words or 200char per post and 30 times a week then you will get paid or have shares from the company / ico / project. It was a simple task to earn money. If you ask me, I will be better to construct a paragraph even I'm not good in english than to do a construction worker where I was to be.

I go for this forum because 1 of my friend in construction quit due to he was earning cash here. Not just earning but a way too high than our basic salary in construction. Which I tried now. So, I am wishing to have find a company or project that I will work for too like my friend. But as of now no one would hire me in signature campaign because of my level.

So bro, start again. and avoid doing it again. so you can earn much cash here than like my work.

[Quickseller]

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I think there's no problem by the company to demand a minimum counts of words as requirements in signature campaigns. As long as you have been paid. First, think about it. You will just post around 30 words or 200char per post and 30 times a week then you will get paid or have shares from the company / ico / project. It was a simple task to earn money. If you ask me, I will be better to construct a paragraph even I'm not good in english than to do a construction worker where I was to be.

I go for this forum because 1 of my friend in construction quit due to he was earning cash here. Not just earning but a way too high than our basic salary in construction. Which I tried now. So, I am wishing to have find a company or project that I will work for too like my friend. But as of now no one would hire me in signature campaign because of my level.

So bro, start again. and avoid doing it again. so you can earn much cash here than like my work.

Let's suspend all the rules and have a blast; every person for themselves! Let's also give every account (army or no) a vote! Let's be a FULL democracy and vote on everything, majority rules!
Do I need a sarc tag here?

Great idea we could do thing like he film purge. You can do anything you want for that one day to get it out of your system but after that you must abide by the law!

I wonder if either of you actually understand the post you were responding to, and how it relates to each of your responses.

I am guessing no, and you probably didn’t bother to closely read the posts you were responding to either.

[zool2003]

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I think there's no problem by the company to demand a minimum counts of words as requirements in signature campaigns. As long as you have been paid. First, think about it. You will just post around 30 words or 200char per post and 30 times a week then you will get paid or have shares from the company / ico / project. It was a simple task to earn money. If you ask me, I will be better to construct a paragraph even I'm not good in english than to do a construction worker where I was to be.

I go for this forum because 1 of my friend in construction quit due to he was earning cash here. Not just earning but a way too high than our basic salary in construction. Which I tried now. So, I am wishing to have find a company or project that I will work for too like my friend. But as of now no one would hire me in signature campaign because of my level.

So bro, start again. and avoid doing it again. so you can earn much cash here than like my work.

Let's suspend all the rules and have a blast; every person for themselves! Let's also give every account (army or no) a vote! Let's be a FULL democracy and vote on everything, majority rules!
Do I need a sarc tag here?

Great idea we could do thing like he film purge. You can do anything you want for that one day to get it out of your system but after that you must abide by the law!

I wonder if either of you actually understand the post you were responding to, and how it relates to each of your responses.

I am guessing no, and you probably didn’t bother to closely read the posts you were responding to either.

Lots of assumptions there, I’m not sure why you would suggest I don’t know what has been posted here or elsewhere?

I’m sorry if I cracked a comment in a post that was serious. I will make sure that instead clear of the boys club posts in the future.

Hopefully you Understand how to read between the lines.

[ChiBitCTy2]

I was 100% wrong. I cheated. I didn’t properly source several posts and I’m 100% at fault. Period, no excuses.

I’d happily give up signature campaigns if that meant I could come back. I’d happily serve any punishment handed out to get another chance.

Theymos, I can’t prove you or anyone else wrong if not given a chance.

(Also ..The Nazi germany statement was said in bad taste and I apologize if I offended anyone. I was simply trying to stress giving someone a second chance doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Not that I’ve suffered or will if banned like the millions that’s have by the hands of that sickening regime )

I hope to get another chance, but if not ..I have only myself to blame. Tyler

[bigtimespaghetti]

Just throwing my two satoshis in here, Chi does contribute to the forum and community. I never would have donated my test bars for a charity auction if not for his running one. It seems a shame to perma ban a good guy.

[pugman]

I am a person who very much believes in Exceptions in literally anything and everything. We all know that people are assholes/scumbags/pricks and what not. But at the end of the day,there exists a few people that deserves a second chance. That second chance may or maynot be at a cost,but if there is,ChiBitCTy is proving himself that he'll keep up to it. Maybe give him a permanent punishment of never wearing any signatures/a 3-month ban/something that is possible and at the same time,is a punishment. I believe ChiBitCTy has contributed more to this forum than Loneshark(?),comparatively.

theymos, was there any specific reason why you un-banned Loanshark?

[LoyceV]

theymos, was there any specific reason why you un-banned Loanshark?

He was unbanned by Cyrus.

[Kialara]

@Theymos,

The Chi I know is a valuable member of this community, and it is my opinion that there would be no regrets in letting him back in from the dog house. He has been doing a lot lately on the forum in support of my brothers project, Haven - a project initially funded by a Rocket Grant from the Andy Warhol Foundation. From my perspective, what's good for Chi is arguably good for the forum, our future and our environment. I've known him for some time, and communicate with him often.

I believe he is remorseful and deserves a second chance 

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Sincere regards,

Kialara

[Anduck]

I also feel the urge to voice myself here. I think Chi should not be banned for this plagiarism case. He's net positive for the community and it is in my eyes unfair to have him banned while (for comparison), people who should've been banned years ago are still here.

Also, I'd like to note that plagiarism isn't seen as a bad thing everywhere in the world. For example, in some eastern countries plagiarism is perfectly fine even in the academic level. It's not seen as stealing others work everywhere in the world. In the big picture, after all, the main thing is that information spreads -- even if the information/content is copied/plagiarized. For example, spreading disinformation should be a much bigger offence than not citing original source of content/information. This is how I think of these things.

[botany]

Also, I'd like to note that plagiarism isn't seen as a bad thing everywhere in the world. For example, in some eastern countries plagiarism is perfectly fine even in the academic level. It's not seen as stealing others work everywhere in the world. In the big picture, after all, the main thing is that information spreads -- even if the information/content is copied/plagiarized. For example, spreading disinformation should be a much bigger offence than not citing original source of content/information. This is how I think of these things.

It would be safe to say that is not the view of the forum.
It really doesn't matter if your university has a lax view on plagiarism - think of what would happen to the forum if plagiarism was tolerated.

[ChiBitCTy2]

I came here and gave my sob story.  I pleaded my case profusely/aggressively trying to show my worth. I asked for forgiveness. Over the past months I’ve read countless ban posts of the same ilk.  I now feel foolish to put it lightly.  For the last 8 months I’ve read countless Meta posts, re-read the rules a 100 times, wrote 5 pages of a planned 10 page paper on plagiarism (this is one difficult task but I did learn a lot from my half way finished effort..for instance you can even plagiarize yourself quite easily), and thought about how I could come back here and prove my self-worth and be deserving of another shot here.

However it became more and more clear to me that no matter what I said or did I’d likely have absolutely no chance at coming back.  Though I have given up hope completely, I did recently stumbled on the “funny ban appeal threads” and was compelled to write this..  Some are pretty damn funny I admit. Many are the same nonsense and really piss poor excuses. But I know personally not all are bull shit fairy tales.  After reading my name being specifically mentioned in Meta recently and falsehoods being suggested, I felt I had to set a few things straight.  I didn’t make one thing up that I said.  I’m embarrassed by my rant..but I was being honest. Too honest I now realize.  However, I realize the sob story is something no one is going to know if it has any merit to or not (outside a few buddies of mine here), nor give a shit about in all likelihood!  I realize now why I’m banned and others whom committed other terrible acts such as fraud..are not.  My crimes are easily provable. I do get that completely now.

I honestly don’t know what I was thinking by making those several posts that day I plagiarized.  I really don’t.  Not why I made them, but why I plagiarized..nor wtf was going on in my head that day. I made the posts because I promised Atriz my signature manager I would never let him down on my post count.  What I made from that campaign in a week hardly pays for a single meal out where I live.  It wasn’t about the money what so ever.  Well, it kind of was. The more money I can make in life..the more I can give back.  Every single satoshi ever made on those campaigns can be seen going right back to charity, here on this forum. These things I wanted to set the record straight with. I am not signature campaign money hungry for personal gain.

For 8 months I’ve watched many opportunities pass by where I feel I could have added value to the forum. My post history is pretty telling of what kind of forum member I believe I mostly was.  My topics are either detailed posts to really try and add value here or for collectibles purposes. 

Hilarious and Theymos…I respect you guys and I fully understand where you’re coming from.  However, you’ve both stated you’d be willing to let a member back who you feel would contribute positively moving forward (likely with stipulations).  Besides my lapse in common sense one day..I’ve done nothing but try and contribute positively here.  Plenty of it being pre-signature days too.  So..put me to the test!! Fuck my signature, hell ban me from it for good.  Give me a chance and I will still be here, still contributing, whether now or a year from now. Easy promise I can make/keep.
 
I appreciate everyone who spanked me verbally but in a professional way.  I’m really thankful for those who I either don’t know or hardly know, whom showed a bit of faith in me..  LoyceV , DarkStar, Lauda, Pharmacist, JetCash, and several others to be more specific.  I respect all of you quite a bit. I know you all care a lot about this place as do I and you work hard for nothing more than to better bitcoin. I'm sorry for my selfish and childish actions.  Period. 

[Anduck]

Also, I'd like to note that plagiarism isn't seen as a bad thing everywhere in the world. For example, in some eastern countries plagiarism is perfectly fine even in the academic level. It's not seen as stealing others work everywhere in the world. In the big picture, after all, the main thing is that information spreads -- even if the information/content is copied/plagiarized. For example, spreading disinformation should be a much bigger offence than not citing original source of content/information. This is how I think of these things.

It would be safe to say that is not the view of the forum.
It really doesn't matter if your university has a lax view on plagiarism - think of what would happen to the forum if plagiarism was tolerated.

I'm answering to a troll, but whatever:

Obviously it is not the view of the forum. I am only telling you that some countries allow plagiarism even on academic level studies. I have not mentioned anything about myself.

Extremes are almost always the incorrect way. So maybe forum policy should not be to permanently ban these users... Maybe just some years, or maybe some kind of appealing process?

[hilariousetc]

Hilarious and Theymos…I respect you guys and I fully understand where you’re coming from.  However, you’ve both stated you’d be willing to let a member back who you feel would contribute positively moving forward (likely with stipulations).  Besides my lapse in common sense one day..I’ve done nothing but try and contribute positively here.  Plenty of it being pre-signature days too.  So..put me to the test!! Fuck my signature, hell ban me from it for good.  Give me a chance and I will still be here, still contributing, whether now or a year from now. Easy promise I can make/keep.
 

Contact theymos and see if he can implement a specific signature ban for you instead and reinstate your account. This is something he said he might implement a while ago (and I'm sure he could do individual ones now in certain cases). A signature ban would probably be more appropriate in certain situations and especially to those who are going to contribute in other ways whilst removing the possibility of earning here (which is probably a significant punishment in itself).

Maybe signatures of spammers/plagiarisers should be removed indefinitely or removed until they've achieved x amount of merit then they're reinstated. Most users probably won't bother and just abandon the account but for those who aren't here just to earn and are willing to contribute maybe that would be a sufficient penance for their 'crime'. 

[Quickseller]

There is an argument that some permabans (relating to signature spam) should be a 60 or 90 day ban and then a 6 month signature ban with post/activity minimums (based on their previous posting activity), and perhaps after that, have reduced signature abilities for some time after that.

I am not sure that plagiarism should be a category that should allow these types of extended "2nd chance" bans, especially if they have made many plagiarized posts. 

Separately, there is an argument that bans for plagiarism should be delayed by a week, or 20 posts from the time a moderator discovers the infraction. The purpose of this would be too see if they will continue plagiarizing many times, or if they did something stupid on one or two posts. Someone who copies 5-10 of their next 20 posts is clearly not someone we want around, while someone who copies 1-2 ever might deserve some leniency, especially if they make generally insightful posts. This would help decide if someone will have *really* "learned their lesson" and wont make the mistake of copying content a second time.