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January 16, 2014, 06:27:43 PM
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Well, after reading through all of this I'm going to throw out there that I'm going with capital gains (long term in my case) for 2013. The IRS is still "researching cryptocurrencies" so until they provide guidance I'm taking the 'report and be consistent' approach. For me personally the cap gains is essentially tax free because I had losses in a start-up I invested in, so it's going to net to below 0, and had I gone with the bitcoin-as-a-currency classification (income) I would owe a high tax rate and not capture the cap gains netting benefit. If the IRS doesn't like it they can provide guidance or re-calculate it for me I guess.

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January 17, 2014, 11:05:29 PM
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Well, after reading through all of this I'm going to throw out there that I'm going with capital gains (long term in my case) for 2013. The IRS is still "researching cryptocurrencies" so until they provide guidance I'm taking the 'report and be consistent' approach. For me personally the cap gains is essentially tax free because I had losses in a start-up I invested in, so it's going to net to below 0, and had I gone with the bitcoin-as-a-currency classification (income) I would owe a high tax rate and not capture the cap gains netting benefit. If the IRS doesn't like it they can provide guidance or re-calculate it for me I guess.

steverabincpa what do you think?
Chris, I can't specifically bless tax returns or strategies I don't look at in specific detail, but what your paragraph sounds generally reasonable.  Among the other things I look at when advising clients include: operating loss carryforwards, eligibility for research credit, use of retirement plans (SEP IRA etc.), full use of self employment business deductions, use of rental income, use of living trusts, interfamily tax strategies, and charitable gifting of appreciated assets. 

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January 19, 2014, 11:29:13 PM
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as soon as btc is taxed, the value will sink. The whole point of BTC is to remain anonymous and tax free, correct?
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January 20, 2014, 10:45:31 AM
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No, BTC wasn't specifically created for anonymity or tax aversion, and most users are probably not completely anonymous, because being truly anonymous on the Internet is not nearly as easy as you must think it is.  In USA, all income is taxed unless there is a specific rule saying it isn't taxed, so BTC is already taxed, hence the discussion thread about how to properly pay said taxes.  This is probably true in most countries with income taxes.  I'm not a hardcore BTC bull, but expecting its value to drop because it is taxed is pretty funny considering its value didn't drop when silk road was shut down and the public seemed to think "BTC is to remain anonymous and buy illegal goods".
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April 03, 2014, 08:18:03 AM
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!!!ALERT!!!
New IRS guidance on virtual currency (VC) released 3/25/14
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Virtual-Currency-Guidance

For most purposes, IRS requires a property approach (Schedule D gain/loss) not a foreign currency approach.

VC is taxable when mined by miners.  VC transactions are reportable.  See the IRS document for details and FAQ.  If you have been doing it differently, consult a tax professional. 

Regarding the scope of IRS rules, they only apply to US taxes.  Although the IRS might wish to be the top tax authority in the US they are not.   They are beneath the constitution, the revenue code (written by lawyers in congress and constantly changing), court case law, and the treasury department.  However in the absence of guidance from these other authorities, IRS rules should be followed.

Here is my circular 230 disclaimer.  This post is intended to provide generalized tax and valuation information that is only appropriate in certain situations. It is believed accurate at this time, but these rules, alas, are constantly changing.  It is not intended or written to be used, and it cannot be used by the recipient, for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed on any taxpayer. These contents should not be acted upon without specific professional guidance. Our liability, under any circumstances, is limited to the amount paid for our services.  Please contact us if you have questions.
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