Identifying plagiarism if poster is active on multiple platforms.

[Jet Cash]

I was about to award this post with a merit, but I though I would run a quick plagiarism check -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3212384.msg33568423#msg33568423
The check threw up this post on Steemit
https://steemit.com/scam/@bgsux/3-ways-to-identify-an-ico-scam

Now I have to ask a few questions.

Are both posts made by the same person, or has the new Bitcoin member copied the post from Steemit?
How can I check the identities?

I've started posting on Steemit. So far I haven't created any similar posts, but what should I do if I want to? One of the rules of Steemit is that posts have to be unique, but I'm not sure how rigorously that is enforced. What would be the safest thing to do? The easy answer would be to include my Steemit account name in my profile, but there isn't a box for that. I'm going to use the other contact information box to register my name. Is it likely that this will be checked if there is a suspected case of plagiarism?

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[mdayonliner]

Since the BitcoinTalk one is the latest March 31 and the steemit one is 4 months old, it's obvious that the BitcoinTalk one is copy/pasted.

I do not see any reference on the post, no mention of the steemit post as well so it's a plagiarism IMO  

Update:
A reference/mention always needed. There are no way to read the writers mind.

[Jet Cash]

Well I didn't award the merit anyway.

What about the other bit? I've added my Steemit name to my profile as I suggested. Is this something that others should do if they are active on other platforms?

[r1s2g3]

Hi All.
 
Is it ok to post here if I use my already posted article in some other forum.
Off course I will maintain in disclaimer, that where I posted this article first and direct link to that forum.

In this way, I am re using my original work in this forum (not copy/pasting others), just want to know what the forum guidelines say about it.

I read the rules they only say that: (nothing written about re use so want to be sure)

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]

In this way, I am re using my original work in this forum (not copy/pasting others)

One warning: I think you should limit this to relevant posts, and don't use it to increase your post count only. It shouldn't look like spam.

More to the point, it shouldn’t be spam.

I think you can give reference to your Steemit link, no need to include Steemit account in Signature.
Since you already found a copy-paster , I will suggest you to report him in LoyceV thread.

[mdayonliner]

What about the other bit? I've added my Steemit name to my profile as I suggested. Is this something that others should do if they are active on other platforms?

My answer certainly will not be an universal answer however,

₁if I were you then I would always leave a footnote of something like... Read more on my steemit profile with the original URL

₂If I would regularly duplicate the contents then I would wear the Steemit username on my signature (if I were not with any campaign of course)

...since the forum do not have a place for adding Steemit username.

[theyoungmillionaire]

What about the other bit? I've added my Steemit name to my profile as I suggested. Is this something that others should do if they are active on other platforms?

That is a good idea.
You can also put it in profile> Personal Text so that readers can immediately identify that you're also the author of the said article from the other platforms.

[Jet Cash]

The other contact details box seems to be the obvious place. The important thing now is to make people aware of this if it becomes the standard here.

[iillaa]

hey i once had a medium article     then i wanted to share it here  i copied past it and added my medium link  in end of the BTT post   .. for me  i have same name   in medium or BTT    or any other social media 

maybe you should   try to name other social media as  Jet Cash    

[bitmover]

I am bit worried about this plagiarism stuff and account ban.

I write weekly for a website, and many times I copy paste some of my comments from bitcointalk (which are like drafts) and create an article.

Then I discovered this "plagiarism" and ban paranoia. Now I am writing"source" and linking those posts to my articles... but in fact those posts are the sources...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I am bit worried about this plagiarism stuff and account ban.

As well you should be on bitcointalk, since it's one offense that's pretty much guaranteed to earn you a permaban--scamming people doesn't even get you that.  The best thing you can do is to make it very clear in your posts here that you're duplicating content from somewhere else.  However you want to do that I think is fine, as long as the information is there.  If you don't, you risk someone coming across your posts and reporting them as plagiarism.  Believe me, it'll happen eventually. 

Good writing here is rare, and idiotic shitposting is more the norm, so when I see something that looks like it could have been written for either a blog or a media outlet, I usually check to see if it was copy/pasted.  People in signature campaigns often have nothing to say, and even if they did, they wouldn't be able to write it coherently.  They resort to copying things from the internet as a result.  It happens so often, it's unbelievable.

[bitmover]

I am bit worried about this plagiarism stuff and account ban.

As well you should be on bitcointalk, since it's one offense that's pretty much guaranteed to earn you a permaban--scamming people doesn't even get you that.  The best thing you can do is to make it very clear in your posts here that you're duplicating content from somewhere else.  However you want to do that I think is fine, as long as the information is there.  If you don't, you risk someone coming across your posts and reporting them as plagiarism.  Believe me, it'll happen eventually.  

Good writing here is rare, and idiotic shitposting is more the norm, so when I see something that looks like it could have been written for either a blog or a media outlet, I usually check to see if it was copy/pasted.  People in signature campaigns often have nothing to say, and even if they did, they wouldn't be able to write it coherently.  They resort to copying things from the internet as a result.  It happens so often, it's unbelievable.

The thing is, I am not plagiarizing... I am posting my comments on media as articles (all in Portuguese)
But I decided to edit them and link them to my articles

[Flying Hellfish]

What about the other bit? I've added my Steemit name to my profile as I suggested. Is this something that others should do if they are active on other platforms?

That is a good idea.
You can also put it in profile> Personal Text so that readers can immediately identify that you're also the author of the said article from the other platforms.

I can put anyone's user name from steemit on my PT and then C/P from his work and claim it as my own.  I can't see how we can easily authenticate who the author is based on this alone.

The chance of being banned and subsequently the low chance of it being overturned and the chance it could take a long time really seem to suggest that its better safe than sorry (Source: momma used to say it!).

If your a really high profile member of the BTC community and you have a working online presence in multiple platforms it might make sense to authenticate all the platforms with your real identity.  

I'm sure there are lots of ways to authenticate (anonymously if so desired) cross platform ownership but I don't see there being enough people doing it for the global mods to be checking authenticity of source material ownership this way.  It's easy to nuke someone based on timestamps and links.

Of course the obvious problem to self citation is it could easily be abused by self promoters.  I think over time someone like that could be flushed out by noticing them citing the same source over and over again but it's at least fair to say it opens the door for some type of abuse.

Slippery slope indeed mate!

[Jet Cash]

Well in my case it's pretty easy to tie all the names together. I own upr8.com, JetCash.com, and TalkMerit.com, and they are all registered under the Baronets reseller name. I own the .com of that as well. Obviously fittotalk.com is another of my names.

That is probably an unusual situation. There is an about section in the steemit profile, and it would be easy to include something like btalk - jet cash in there.

[athanz88]

I have read the thread but maybe i missed something because my english is not perfect. For me, the best way if you want to do copy/paste your own content to multiplatform is to add your identity in the writings. Say you have steemit and you want to copy it to bitcointalk, so it is best to write your bitcointalk name in that steemit posts. It is just like a signed message. It could save people from spending time to browse through your profile.

If your a really high profile member of the BTC community and you have a working online presence in multiple platforms it might make sense to authenticate all the platforms with your real identity. 

But i guess you are a well known member of bitcointalk and this suggestion is the best if you are maintaining a work in multiplatform.

[Quickseller]

Most of the copy past spammers are going to plagiarize a fairly large percentage of their posts made within a certain time, and will be  fairly likely to get their content from a variety of sources. In other words, this kind of person is trying to pad their post count in order to increase their activity/rank and/or the number of posts they are paid for by their signature campaign.

I am not sure if that guy plagiarized that article, or if he is the author, however he did correct a paragraph numbering error in that article (can steemit articles be edited after they are published?), so he did not outright blindly copy and paste that article into a post without looking at it. On the other hand, that guy's posts are mostly fairly short.


Perhaps if the OP is banned because of this post, he can privately message theymos or another admin with some kind of evidence he is the author and he can decide if said evidence is sufficient.


In this case, assuming there is not IP evidence this guy has alts engaging in similar behavior (including spammy behavior), considering there is only one post in question from a since source, I would accept his word if he were to claim he is the original author.

[Quickseller]

SADLY
IMO, The post in steemit was already a plagiarized work. After looking the whole content I happened to see this comment below:

Although I would find it fairly unlikely, but have you ruled out the guy mentioned in the OP being Josiah Wilmoth? (the author of https://strategiccoin.com/3-ways-to-identify-an-ico-scam/ )

[shahzadafzal]

I'm going to use the other contact information box to register my name. Is it likely that this will be checked if there is a suspected case of plagiarism?

Well even if bitcointalk have separate field for steemit it won't solve the problem or even if you write it in information box.

It's purly duty of the author he/she should cite the source to the original post whether it was on steemit or any other social media platform. If he does not make reference the first published post based on the date and time should be considered original. If he does not refer it and reader tags him for plagiarism he is to blame none but himself.

For example I'm also writing on my blog and some time on other platforms too and I know where I posted first that will be my original post and I will refer it in my all other publications with link and some hint e.g.  originally posted on xyz.

And that's where we need blockchian... I have seen many blockchain startups focusing on content creators. Decentralization and blockchain would be the perfect solution. All your content could be recorded on the blockchain forever with original author's thumb prints.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

If he does not make reference the first published post based on the date and time should be considered original. If he does not refer it and reader tags him for plagiarism he is to blame none but himself.

For example I'm also writing on my blog and some time on other platforms too and I know where I posted first that will be my original post and I will refer it in my all other publications with link and some hint e.g.  originally posted on xyz.

Totally agree. I think the rule should be that you must always quote and provide a link to where the original article was published, no matter who the author is. I’ve seen that in books and articles, where the author says: “the following is an summary of the original article I wrote for...”, and the like.

[Jet Cash]

Totally agree. I think the rule should be that you must always quote and provide a link to where the original article was published, no matter who the author is. I’ve seen that in books and articles, where the author says: “the following is an summary of the original article I wrote for...”, and the like.

I think this could be the best solution. I think it would be worth including your identity on another platform in your profile as well. Of course , if you have 40 alts on a dozen platforms, you may not want to do that. This could help to protect your content as well.

[LoyceV]

I'm going to use the other contact information box to register my name. Is it likely that this will be checked if there is a suspected case of plagiarism?

No. I don't check this when I report plagiarism.

₁if I were you then I would always leave a footnote of something like... Read more on my steemit profile with the original URL

When Steemit started, many users were spamming this forum with Steemit links, hoping to earn from the link they posted. Most of these posts were considered spam.

Well in my case it's pretty easy to tie all the names together. I own upr8.com, JetCash.com, and TalkMerit.com, and they are all registered under the Baronets reseller name. I own the .com of that as well. Obviously fittotalk.com is another of my names.

People do get banned by mistake, and getting unbanned takes at least a few days.
My 2 satoshis: if you really have to copy a part of your blog here (in other words: if it's totally relevant to the discussion), I suggest to use quote-tags (someting like: [ quote author=copied from my own blog steemit.com/something]). This eleminates all confusion.

I’ve seen that in books and articles, where the author says: “the following is an summary of the original article I wrote for...”, and the like.

In scientific papers this is also needed for reproducibility. Even if you know the details by heart because you wrote it in another article, the reader can use the reference to read back on how you came to that conclusion.

[mdayonliner]

When Steemit started, many users were spamming this forum with Steemit links, hoping to earn from the link they posted. Most of these posts were considered spam.

Ok, I did not have this data in mind. My thought was to put a reference link like we do in any thesis paper.

Using...

Code:

[quote author="www.theURL.com"]...CONTNETs...[/quote]

...seems the best idea with 100% safety.

[digaran]

Aren't you a merit source? why would you promote a scam like Steemit on your profile?

[Jet Cash]

why would you promote a scam like Steemit on your profile?

I'm still open minded about Steemit. Sometimes I think it is a sophisticated Ponzi, and sometimes I think it is an interesting idea to create a coin based on the 'proof of brain' concept. I'm reluctant to put any money into it, but I'm aware that it does need people to invest  in the platform. I am prepared to support it with some of my content, even if this doesn't give me any financial returns, it does give me some exposure.

[digaran]

why would you promote a scam like Steemit on your profile?

I'm still open minded about Steemit. Sometimes I think it is a sophisticated Ponzi, and sometimes I think it is an interesting idea to create a coin based on the 'proof of brain' concept. I'm reluctant to put any money into it, but I'm aware that it does need people to invest  in the platform. I am prepared to support it with some of my content, even if this doesn't give me any financial returns, it does give me some exposure.

Steemit is proof of pussy, without one you'll get nothing. also where is the brain you are talking about? all I have seen in here from you are usual whining about long posts. long and used cunts, etc. exposure comes from this forum, not steemit where you have to beg for attention every day on their chat rooms. here at least people beg for merits which is kind of a contribution to the community because garbage posters wouldn't get any merits and we need to ask for merits from sources to prevent garbage posters from ranking.

On steemit you would have to beg just to get some money, and they wouldn't give a fuck about your brain if you don't have some steem coin on your account. at least here you can get some merits even if you are not a paid member like a copper member.