Bitcoin Forum
November 02, 2024, 02:09:15 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 28.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Didn't Dan Kaminsky say that we were supposed to fail by Dec 31st?  (Read 2011 times)
cypherdoc (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002



View Profile
November 24, 2013, 08:24:12 PM
 #1

Well, if that's the case, we better get going.

As I recall, it was supposed to be from increasing centralization:

Lauda
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965


Terminated.


View Profile WWW
November 24, 2013, 08:39:31 PM
 #2

This will keep rising. We won't fail, at least not anytime soon.

"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"
😼 Bitcoin Core (onion)
tvbcof
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 4732
Merit: 1277


View Profile
November 24, 2013, 08:41:48 PM
 #3


I took Kaminsky's comments to indicate that the risk was from centralization of mining effort and that the centralization was only avoided at the time (the SJ 2013 conference) because it was recognized as a risk by the miners themselves and they actively seeked to avoid it.

As for full nodes, I've found the drop-off over the course of the time I've been paying attention (a couple years) to be bothersome.  This in spite of the fact that the transaction rate has not been increased.  A fraction of new-users are going to be interested (or ignorant) enough to run full nodes, but that tends to die off and it's not worth the time, money, and inconvenience for a lot of people.  I'm in this category myself.

I'll be very interested to see if the developments of 0.9 will create nodes that actually strengthen the infrastructure (unlike multibit.)  If so, I could see the infrastructure growing at a healthy rate correlated with growth in end-user userbase.


sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.
Melbustus
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1722
Merit: 1004



View Profile
November 24, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
 #4

He said that bitcoin's use of only sha256 for proof of work wouldn't last the year.

He implied that it was because 51% threats from non-economically motivated nation state actors would force replaceement of the current PoW scheme with a "basket" of algs.

Or so I recall from his talk at the conference in May. I didn't check his quotes/writings.


Bitcoin is the first monetary system to credibly offer perfect information to all economic participants.
tvbcof
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 4732
Merit: 1277


View Profile
November 24, 2013, 09:20:57 PM
 #5

He said that bitcoin's use of only sha256 for proof of work wouldn't last the year.

He implied that it was because 51% threats from non-economically motivated nation state actors would force replaceement of the current PoW scheme with a "basket" of algs.

Or so I recall from his talk at the conference in May. I didn't check his quotes/writings.


I don't remember him saying specifically a 'basket', but he may have and I forgot.

I'd love to see this happen, but also see the algorithms be evolving and unpredictable, and also have reward adjusted to promote other kinds of diversity.  But it would be complex to implement and I suspect that miners would make a credible threat to destroy the system before they allowed that to happen.

Probably the only way for Bitcoin to evolve past today's rather simplistic proof-of-work scheme would be for it to form a symbiotic relationship with alternate crypto-currencies (or spawn a set of them) such that miners could continue to capitalize using sha256 gear.  Either that, or leverage the existing sha256 hashing power to re-base (for optimization) the value source-of-truth periodically (with a much longer period than every 10 minutes.)

I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.  Or holding all of my BTC for that matter...


sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.
cypherdoc (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002



View Profile
December 20, 2013, 09:56:49 PM
 #6

Dan, you have 11 days left.
Piper67
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1106
Merit: 1001



View Profile
December 20, 2013, 10:35:16 PM
 #7

Perhaps we should also remember that at one point he claimed Bitcoin could be hacked (pretty early on, if I recall) and then retracted it a few months ago.

Take Kaminsky with a pinchsky of saltsky.
gmaxwell
Staff
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 4270
Merit: 8805



View Profile WWW
December 21, 2013, 12:46:26 AM
 #8

FWIW, that chart is just showing IP addresses circulated in addr messages... not actual nodes. Most of the node addresses circulated are junk.

(Not that this in away way disagrees with the inaccuracy of his predictions Smiley )
cypherdoc (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002



View Profile
January 02, 2014, 01:32:51 AM
 #9

Fail
cr1776
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 4214
Merit: 1312


View Profile
January 02, 2014, 01:58:10 AM
 #10

Fail

Yes, he failed.
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!