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November 25, 2013, 12:02:10 PM
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What is everyone's opion on Litecoin? on a scale will it follow Bitcoin success?
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November 25, 2013, 12:16:31 PM
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https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Litecoin
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Redundancy
Besides a faster first confirmation, Litecoin does not provide any other features over what Bitcoin provides. Because of this lack of innovation, some believe Litecoin is unlikely to match or surpass Bitcoin's value or user-base. It remains to be seen if the use of a different mining algorithm and faster block times add sufficient value for Litecoin's long-term survival.

Not Silver to Gold
Some argue that Litecoin cannot make sense as "silver to bitcoin's gold", because Bitcoin itself is both gold and silver: While in the long-run, the BTC unit may be too valuable for everyday trade ("gold"), there are other, much smaller units that can just as well serve the purpose of "silver" while being naturally/automatically "converted" to/from BTC.

Vulnerability to mining monopoly
Similarly to Bitcoin, Litecoin can be attacked by an entity that can match or exceed the hashrate of the network. Such a "51% attack" becomes more difficult to launch and maintain as the hash rate of the network grows. However, this argument posits that Litecoin is designed to be inefficient on all common computer components (both CPUs and GPUs) meaning that a malicious entity need only produce a small batch of specialized/custom hardware to overtake all the commodity mining systems combined.

Memory bandwidth refutation
Some attempt to refute this by arguing that scrypt is not designed to be inefficient, but is instead designed to be highly dependent on memory bandwidth. Since the high-speed cache RAM on modern processors already takes up most of the die space, no sizeable improvement could then be made by creating custom chips. If we accept this argument we then estimate the cost of attack utilizing GPUs that are avilable today.

To do so we start with an estimated cost of hardware at $400 per megahashes per second and the October 2013 Litecoin network hashrate of 30 gigahashes per second. The total amount of equipment necessary to match and takeover the Litecoin network via 51% attack is then an estimated $12M USD (or about 45,000 AMD HD 7950s).

Pump and Dump Scheme
According to some, one or more of the aforementioned reasons imply that Litecoin has no future potential, and therefore effectively functions as a "pump and dump" scheme, rewarding those who get in sooner at the expense of those who adopt it just before it finally fails (and are left with nothing).

Additionally, people often complain that the Litecoin community misrepresents it in other ways, such as portraying "faster block times" as if it makes transactions faster, and scrypt as if it is resistant to ASIC or FPGA hardware, in order to pretend Litecoin has value and inflate its value.

It's important to note, generally these critics do not think that Litecoin/Blockchain currencies are pump and dump schemes "per se"; but rather that the existing network effect of Bitcoin, combined with the lack of meaningful differentiation between Litecoin and Bitcoin and Litecoin's adoption of a "designed to fail" proof-of-work algorithm; that Litecoin is bound to fail in the end. Bitcoin does not suffer from these "flaws" and therefore does not fall under the "pump and dump" scheme, according to this argument.
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November 25, 2013, 12:21:48 PM
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Some other things to consider:

1) Minimum fees for BTC transactions are getting into the cents (making it very unsuitable for "micro-transactions") whilst LTC tx fees are comparatively "tiny" (and would be expected to stay that way for a long time).

2) Apparently ASIC hardware for mining LTC is being talked about (although how likely the appearance of such hardware appearing in the next year or so is probably anyone's guess).

3) Bitcoin cannot currently handle > 7 TPS (a pitifully small amount compared to any major payment system). I am not suggesting that Litecoin can do much better but at least it would help take some of the pressure of the Bitcoin block chain by taking on a lot of smaller value txs.

4) The CEO of btcchina is the brother of the creator of Litecoin (and we all know how much the Chinese are liking Bitcoin already).

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November 25, 2013, 01:21:08 PM
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Some other things to consider:

1) Minimum fees for BTC transactions are getting into the cents (making it very unsuitable for "micro-transactions") whilst LTC tx fees are comparatively "tiny" (and would be expected to stay that way for a long time).

2) Apparently ASIC hardware for mining LTC is being talked about (although how likely the appearance of such hardware appearing in the next year or so is probably anyone's guess).

3) Bitcoin cannot currently handle > 7 TPS (a pitifully small amount compared to any major payment system). I am not suggesting that Litecoin can do much better but at least it would help take some of the pressure of the Bitcoin block chain by taking on a lot of smaller value txs.

4) The CEO of btcchina is the brother of the creator of Litecoin (and we all know how much the Chinese are liking Bitcoin already).


#3 point is especially important. Bitcoin simply can't do all the work if it is bound to get valued as high as there are predictions. It will need help from dozens of other alt-coins to handle all the transactions. If a lot of stores begin to accept bitcoin payments, they will quickly shut down that payment option due to inability to process anything in a timely manner. The only solution is to switch to spread between different alt-coins. There will not be wide-spread adoption of bitcoin if these growing limitations aren't handled, and it seems like the natural way to handle them is through alt-coins.
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November 25, 2013, 01:33:19 PM
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I actually do believe in the silver/gold story. Bitcoin is getting insanely expensive and looks to be rising, so the need for a 'silver' is increasing. The only serious other coin regarding market cap is Litecoin at the moment, making it the most likely 'silver'. There are however not enough services that handle bitcoin at the moment, I still can't find a half decent online wallet for Litecoin at the moment.

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November 25, 2013, 01:52:13 PM
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Pump and Dump Scheme
According to some, one or more of the aforementioned reasons imply that neither Bitcoin nor Litecoin have a future potential, and therefore effectively functions as a "pump and dump" scheme, rewarding those who get in sooner at the expense of those who adopt it just before it finally fails (and are left with nothing)

This is what it should read.

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