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December 03, 2013, 08:16:49 PM
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Where did U find this info?
It's available on the internet.

I wouldn't buy anything which could harm my privacy and freedom.

Don't forget that TOR browser was made from US Military, they could been working on a new SilkRoad and track you.

I heard there were quite a few undercover cops posing as dealers on SR, so they could get the addresses of buyers and arrest them.

feds are more interested in busting vendors. and what's the point in having undercover accounts when you could easily bust the people who provided their personal info without PGP encryption? lots of buyers didn't, quite possibly because they are junkies/addicts.

Yeah, I doubt they're gonna waste their time trying to catch little Jimmy Bob trying to be an eight of quality weed. And besides, I think it may fall under entrapment if they set the vendor account up themselves. They could maybe bust a vendor and take over his account and that would be legit, but I don't think they can keep shipping out the drugs, so I'm sure somebody will know something is up when a top-rated vendor's packages suddenly stop arriving. Feds go after dealers and suppliers, not waste their time on small time users.

You aren't a lawyer are you? Do you know what entrapment means?

Buying drugs from a cop is not entrapment, buying drugs from an undercover cop is not entrapment.

Cops extorting money for hacked leaked user accounts, then easily making available a hitman for hire (who is an undercover) is borderline entrapment.

Are you a lawyer? I didn't say it definitely did, I said I think it may.

"In criminal law, entrapment is when a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit an offense that the person would have otherwise been unlikely to commit."

If a cop comes up to me on he street and asks me if I want to buy drugs and I say yes, I believe that is entrapment. You could argue that they're already on Silk Road so there's arguably no enticement, but what if there’s a user who is on there and he only buys legitimate things - Alpaca socks and Kinder Eggs or whatnot. He stumbles across the feds page offering too-good to be true deals on weed who are claiming "it's so good you won't believe" or "it has to be tried to believed" or whatever other BS, and the guy decides see what all the fuss is about and and takes the plunge. I believe you could argue that this was entrapment, but as you say, I'm not a lawyer.

I reckon you could also claim it wasn't you that ordered the package, but my main point still stands; Feds aren't interested in going after people buying eighths of weed on the internet.

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December 03, 2013, 08:36:33 PM
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Aren't the majority of people imprisoned in the US due to drug related charges actually users with only small amounts of drugs found with them?

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December 03, 2013, 08:51:01 PM
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Aren't the majority of people imprisoned in the US due to drug related charges actually users with only small amounts of drugs found with them?

Only if you're black or poor, but I don't think Feds waste time going after petty drug dealers. Could be wrong though.

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December 03, 2013, 09:43:51 PM
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Back to the subject , I wonder how many users he site has.
I'm not stupid enough to go there, but I saw there were lots of sheeps Wink so lots of camels on the SR2 ?


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December 04, 2013, 07:14:22 PM
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Where did U find this info?
It's available on the internet.

I wouldn't buy anything which could harm my privacy and freedom.

Don't forget that TOR browser was made from US Military, they could been working on a new SilkRoad and track you.

I heard there were quite a few undercover cops posing as dealers on SR, so they could get the addresses of buyers and arrest them.

feds are more interested in busting vendors. and what's the point in having undercover accounts when you could easily bust the people who provided their personal info without PGP encryption? lots of buyers didn't, quite possibly because they are junkies/addicts.

Yeah, I doubt they're gonna waste their time trying to catch little Jimmy Bob trying to be an eight of quality weed. And besides, I think it may fall under entrapment if they set the vendor account up themselves. They could maybe bust a vendor and take over his account and that would be legit, but I don't think they can keep shipping out the drugs, so I'm sure somebody will know something is up when a top-rated vendor's packages suddenly stop arriving. Feds go after dealers and suppliers, not waste their time on small time users.

Yeah, vendors will definitely be the primary targets as those who don't use PGP and are careless may have buyer addresses stored as plain text on their comps.  Besides, you're only going to see narcotics conspiracy/trafficking charges against the biggest vendors that can have an example made of them.  It takes a lot of effort and resources to build a major case like that.
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December 10, 2013, 03:51:20 PM
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Cool Silkroad 2.0 is up!  Never made an order but I'm okay with people that don't want to deal with street dealers taking there chances online.  Less chance of robbery and other drug related crimes if you ask me it is a more civilized option. 

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December 11, 2013, 02:02:57 AM
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What are the legal issues if your package gets intercepted by the postal system?  I guess you cant really be charged can you?  No proof that you actually purchased it?

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What are the legal issues if your package gets intercepted by the postal system?  I guess you cant really be charged can you?  No proof that you actually purchased it?

probably.. and even if they could prove it, they most likely don't have enough money to pursue every small time buyer. they are probably more interested in pursuing the sellers and big time buyers.
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What are the legal issues if your package gets intercepted by the postal system?  I guess you cant really be charged can you?  No proof that you actually purchased it?

probably.. and even if they could prove it, they most likely don't have enough money to pursue every small time buyer. they are probably more interested in pursuing the sellers and big time buyers.

Yeah, it amazes me how much drugs is actually moved in the mail.  When you watch some of these DEA shows, everyone seems to prefer to use USPS or FedEx to move drugs!

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December 11, 2013, 11:37:48 AM
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What are the legal issues if your package gets intercepted by the postal system?  I guess you cant really be charged can you?  No proof that you actually purchased it?

Just say you never ordered it. Unless they can prove otherwise, there's nothing they can legally do. Anybody could ship drugs to your address.

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December 12, 2013, 08:20:47 AM
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Aren't the majority of people imprisoned in the US due to drug related charges actually users with only small amounts of drugs found with them?

In 90% of the cases, the drugs which were "found with them" were actually planted by the FBI or the cops.
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December 12, 2013, 08:23:59 AM
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What are the legal issues if your package gets intercepted by the postal system?  I guess you cant really be charged can you?  No proof that you actually purchased it?

Just say you never ordered it. Unless they can prove otherwise, there's nothing they can legally do. Anybody could ship drugs to your address.

i've heard some stories where the postal service will send an undercover agent and ask for your signature.. that's how the prove it, apparently.
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December 12, 2013, 09:14:36 AM
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i've heard some stories where the postal service will send an undercover agent and ask for your signature.. that's how the prove it, apparently.

Even if we give our signature, we can claim that we have no idea about the contents in the package. Can't we?
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December 12, 2013, 09:16:29 AM
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i've heard some stories where the postal service will send an undercover agent and ask for your signature.. that's how the prove it, apparently.

Even if we give our signature, we can claim that we have no idea about the contents in the package. Can't we?

i don't know.. you have something in signature that you are accepting the goods. here's a discussion on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1b4e3l/
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December 12, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
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What are the legal issues if your package gets intercepted by the postal system?  I guess you cant really be charged can you?  No proof that you actually purchased it?

Just say you never ordered it. Unless they can prove otherwise, there's nothing they can legally do. Anybody could ship drugs to your address.

i've heard some stories where the postal service will send an undercover agent and ask for your signature.. that's how the prove it, apparently.

These are all very valid concerns.  Usually, when a USPS postal inspector detains a package suspected of having drugs in it, a few different things can happen.  The most common scenario involves drugs being swapped out for what's known as a "love letter" in the package, instead.  The letter usually delivers a message similar to this:

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Dear United States Postal Customer(s)

The purpose of this letter is to advise you both the mail placed into the United States Postal Service Mail Stream is currently being withheld from delivery as there are reasonable grounds to believe its contents are non-mailable, and possibly in violation of Federal law, specifically, the Controlled Substances Act. Our attempts to contact the sender and the recipient to obtain additional information have been unsuccessful thus far.

After that, there will be some contact info for you listed and instructions for claiming the package should you wish to do so.   At the end of the letter, there will be two initials (ex. M.O.) of a postal inspector's name along with a phone number should you wish to contact them. There's also a line in most of these letters towards the end that states something to the effect of, "If this package is not claimed within 30 calendar days it will be destroyed."  This is a good thing.

I shouldn't have to advise you what action you should take in this situation....DO NOT CALL FOR ANY REASON.  If you follow those simple instructions, nothing else happens to you.  If you try to set up a meeting or call to try to plead your innocence, you're practically begging the postal inspector to make sure your address is on a blacklist at the very least.

That was the best-case scenario.  The worst-case scenario involves a tactic known as a controlled delivery.  This is where a mailman (who doesn't look like your normal mailman) knocks on your door with a package for you.  He may ask you to sign for it, he may just hand it over to you.  In any case, you can expect to see 5-10 SWAT or DEA individuals barging into your doorway immediately following your receipt of the package.  You won't get a good look at them, as you'll be either violently tackled or forced in some way or another face-down onto the floor.  Your cooperation in this process is neither required nor requested. One minute you'll be holding a package, the next you'll be bleeding from your face, wondering why officers with M-4's and bulletproof vests are subduing you without asking you to help in the process.  It's much more painful this way.  In conclusion, your new mailman was actually a DEA/FBI/Homeland Security agent conducting a controlled delivery on you, successfully.

There are other situations that are not as black-and-white but which still merit discussion.  If you are regularly receiving shipments of marijuana, for example, USPS may catch a single package.  Instead of sending a love letter, they may initiate an investigation to see if more packages are coming to the same name and address.  I've heard of situations where USPS waited between 6-12 months for a person to receive enough packages to cross the 50kg (~110lbs.) threshold that makes one eligible for a narcotics trafficking charge.  Don't worry, if you're a first offender check out the lenient sentence you can get:

Quote from: DEA/Federal Trafficking Penalties
Marijuana 50 to 99 kilograms. First Offense: Not more than 20 yrs.
The above has happened more than a few times, but generally to idiots shipping large quantities of weed with little to no stealth modifications.  The "stealth" that some people use is stealth in name only.  But, it's those types of people keeping the heat off the rest of us.  

Here's a tip kids, dogs can smell through ANYTHING that is vacuum-sealed.  None of the tricks that you've heard people using work, no matter how bizarre or layered they may be.  If you triple vacuum-seal an ounce of weed, vapors permeate through all layers of the seal within 15 minutes.  After that time frame, it is easily detected by a canine.  Vacuum-sealed objects are always vapor permeable.  That's why dogs can smell vacuum-sealed drugs submerged in a full gas tank in an SUV.  There's only one type of easily obtained packaging I'm aware of that is not vapor permeable after any length of time.  They are something called Moisture Barrier Bags or MBB for short.  Most people have seen them being used as anti-static bags for sensitive electrical components.  This same material, when sealed correctly, will prevent any cargo it contains from being detected by the nose of a canine.  These bags are expensive and are hard to buy in quantity, but if you're a cartel who smuggles money in vehicles over the border back to Mexico, it's a worthwhile investment.  I wonder when they will realize that they need to stop vacuum-sealing their $$$ unless they plan on burying it.

Most mail carriers would tell you that anywhere from 95-99% of domestic mail is never searched unless the package itself has features that give it away completely;  things like using way too much postage in the form of stamps on a Priority piece of mail, having names badly misspelled, packages that are heavily taped, lop-sided packages, packages with return address zip codes that don't match the originating facility, packages with foreign stamps or markings indicating passage through a country with a drug-exporting history....that kind of stuff.

You might think that express mail gets more scrutiny because of its urgent nature.  The fact is that mail sorters and carriers are so focused on getting express mail to where it has to be, at the time it was guaranteed, that these packages are rarely scrutinized.  If the express package isn't delivered on time and was guaranteed, the charges are refunded.  With USPS hemorrhaging money 24/7/365 as it is, they can't afford to lose money on expensive products they've guaranteed.  Just a note here, the mailmen who deliver express packages to your door will not be your normal mailman most of the time, they work in a different dept. that handles only express mail.

In closing, thousands of people use USPS as a drug courier on a daily basis over FedEx and UPS.  Any mail detained by USPS can only be opened after a search warrant approves it.  FedEx and UPS are known to cooperate with law enforcement much more readily, with no warrants of any kind required, the severity of the charges not a deciding factor in whether to set up a CD or not.  Most controlled deliveries that you'll see on the news or on TV will be FedEx or UPS, however, USPS does them too.  And if it's USPS doing the CD, chances are they've been watching you for a while and are bring serious trafficking charges to your doorstep.

If you must get involved in this risky business, do your homework regarding what qualifies as stealth and what doesn't.  If you're not the one shipping the item but are receiving, you've got twice as much research to do before pulling the trigger.  You are literally putting your future in the hands of a vendor and his experience when you place an order carelessly.  Control as many outcomes as you can navigating through the labyrinth of weaknesses, inefficiencies and priorities that makes USPS the #1 drug trafficking service in the United States.
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December 12, 2013, 12:42:42 PM
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i've heard some stories where the postal service will send an undercover agent and ask for your signature.. that's how the prove it, apparently.

Even if we give our signature, we can claim that we have no idea about the contents in the package. Can't we?

i don't know.. you have something in signature that you are accepting the goods. here's a discussion on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1b4e3l/

I'm no expert in American Law, but I don't see how that could or even should stand up in court. When a postman comes to my door and asks me to sign something - whether it's for me or my family - I do without question (as probably most people do). Refusing to sign for a package seems more suspicious to me.


Here's a tip kids, dogs can smell through ANYTHING that is vacuum-sealed.  None of the tricks that you've heard people using work, no matter how bizarre or layered they may be.  If you triple vacuum-seal an ounce of weed, vapors permeate through all layers of the seal within 15 minutes.  After that time frame, it is easily detected by a canine.  Vacuum-sealed objects are always vapor permeable.  That's why dogs can smell vacuum-sealed drugs submerged in a full gas tank in an SUV.  There's only one type of easily obtained packaging I'm aware of that is not vapor permeable after any length of time.  They are something called Moisture Barrier Bags or MBB for short.  Most people have seen them being used as anti-static bags for sensitive electrical components.  This same material, when sealed correctly, will prevent any cargo it contains from being detected by the nose of a canine.  These bags are expensive and are hard to buy in quantity, but if you're a cartel who smuggles money in vehicles over the border back to Mexico, it's a worthwhile investment.  I wonder when they will realize that they need to stop vacuum-sealing their $$$ unless they plan on burying it.

I think the vacuum packing is more to mask the smell from humans. As you mentioned, it's very rare that domestic mail will be sniffed by drugs dogs, so all you need to do is make it "stealth" from human detection. As a general rule I'd avoid ever buying anything that is not shipped from your own mainland.

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December 12, 2013, 12:50:42 PM
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i've heard some stories where the postal service will send an undercover agent and ask for your signature.. that's how the prove it, apparently.

Even if we give our signature, we can claim that we have no idea about the contents in the package. Can't we?

i don't know.. you have something in signature that you are accepting the goods. here's a discussion on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1b4e3l/

I'm no expert in American Law, but I don't see how that could or even should stand up in court. When a postman comes to my door and asks me to sign something - whether it's for me or my family - I do without question (as probably most people do). Refusing to sign for a package seems more suspicious to me.


Here's a tip kids, dogs can smell through ANYTHING that is vacuum-sealed.  None of the tricks that you've heard people using work, no matter how bizarre or layered they may be.  If you triple vacuum-seal an ounce of weed, vapors permeate through all layers of the seal within 15 minutes.  After that time frame, it is easily detected by a canine.  Vacuum-sealed objects are always vapor permeable.  That's why dogs can smell vacuum-sealed drugs submerged in a full gas tank in an SUV.  There's only one type of easily obtained packaging I'm aware of that is not vapor permeable after any length of time.  They are something called Moisture Barrier Bags or MBB for short.  Most people have seen them being used as anti-static bags for sensitive electrical components.  This same material, when sealed correctly, will prevent any cargo it contains from being detected by the nose of a canine.  These bags are expensive and are hard to buy in quantity, but if you're a cartel who smuggles money in vehicles over the border back to Mexico, it's a worthwhile investment.  I wonder when they will realize that they need to stop vacuum-sealing their $$$ unless they plan on burying it.

I think the vacuum packing is more to mask the smell from humans. As you mentioned, it's very rare that domestic mail will be sniffed by drugs dogs, so all you need to do is make it "stealth" from human detection. As a general rule I'd avoid ever buying anything that is not shipped from your own mainland.

Yeah I'd say that's a given with the vacuum-sealing, but most people tend to believe its dog-proof as well.  That's a dangerous misconception to entertain.  

Receiving mail from Canada is also fairly routine but then again so is receiving the occasional piece of mail from the Netherlands or the UK.  There are ingenius stealth methods out there these days, there are some who even profited heavily on the original SR selling their own original stealth formulas.
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December 12, 2013, 12:53:03 PM
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Now at SilkRoad2.0 will be just ppl who want to be caught or want to screw someone.

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December 12, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
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Now at SilkRoad2.0 will be just ppl who want to be caught or want to screw someone.

Wrong, it's already thriving. DPR just successfully overcame a long DDoS attack by seizing the attacker's db. I'm sure he had help but it's a milestone.  Business as usual for SR at the moment.
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Yeah I'd say that's a given with the vacuum-sealing, but most people tend to believe its dog-proof as well.  That's a dangerous misconception to entertain. 

Receiving mail from Canada is also fairly routine but then again so is receiving the occasional piece of mail from the Netherlands or the UK.  There are ingenius stealth methods out there these days, there are some who even profited heavily on the original SR selling their own original stealth formulas.

As long as there's prohibition there will always be ingenious people trying to capitalise on this by creating inventive ways to ship things, but they'll never be 100% safe. Vacuum packing isn't going to stop xrays as well, so I think people who believe they're safe with it are just being naive, and as you say, it's a dangerous misconception to entertain, but that's sometimes the price you pay for naivety and ignorance.

Now at SilkRoad2.0 will be just ppl who want to be caught or want to screw someone.

Wrong, it's already thriving. DPR just successfully overcame a long DDoS attack by seizing the attacker's db. I'm sure he had help but it's a milestone.  Business as usual for SR at the moment.

Hopefully the new DPR wont be as foolish as the old one.

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