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May 02, 2018, 01:34:50 PM
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Lets equate merits with Bitcoin. I was a bit late in supporting Bitcoin, and I missed the chance to mine coins. I would like to build a Raspberry pi system, and start mining, I think the block reward for me should be 50 Bitcoins, and the difficulty is too high for my poor little raspberry Pi. They should change the whole of the Bitcoin algorithm to enable me to get lots of Bitcoins for a very minimal effort on my part.

All these complaints about the merit system are equivalent to my comment about Bitcoin mining.

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May 02, 2018, 01:43:04 PM
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Your points are good. But I have something I want to bring to your notice if you never realised it before now. First the merit system is not fair to everyone. Most constructive posters, don't see their posts being merited as people hardly give out their merit points. Another thing I have noticed about merit is that people only merit most popular posters even when it's clear those being merited don't need the merit for anything. To me, I have no issues with the merit system all I can say is that I'm happy I discovered crypto when I did.
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May 02, 2018, 02:03:59 PM
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The most popular posters are popular because they make good posts. It's hardly surprising that they are awarded merits.

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May 02, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
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hey  then why not make it fair to all of the members of BTT forum and implement a complementary system that  reduce  high rank members merits ( and if accumulated  it will reduce rank ofc )  if they dont get new merit in a certain time     . i mean they are heroes and  full members   it should be easy to get 1 merit  since they have more experience in the forum  

that will for sure expose those fake rank members  that simply take from the forum with no giving back or contribution to make it better  

And if someone decides to take a break from the forum?  Roll Eyes

Should we also go back and start re-meriting every post ever made so that old members get their "fair share" of merits? That idea was also brought up at some point. It's all quite meaningless though. The merit system has been designed to curb shitposting going forward. It's not going to give you some sort of retroactive social justice. Focus on your own merits. Start with punctuation.

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May 02, 2018, 02:29:58 PM
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And if someone decides to take a break from the forum?  Roll Eyes

Should we also go back and start re-meriting every post ever made so that old members get their "fair share" of merits? That idea was also brought up at some point. It's all quite meaningless though. The merit system has been designed to curb shitposting going forward. It's not going to give you some sort of retroactive social justice. Focus on your own merits. Start with punctuation.

well  there is always the activity  .. if the member own activity with no merit   it may make sense

also  you understood me wrong  am pointing to those alt high rank accounts  that  only do bounties  ( i think i replied to a specific post  that talk about rank farming  before the merit system  Smiley )

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 Rewards early adoption.. simply being in the right place in the right time is the most important thing in life, and this system heavily rewards that to its earliest users.

fair enough   Smiley  like in the bounty campaign that people who complain about merit join  [ first come first serve ]  you don't like that ?  then work for it and post better contents .

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May 02, 2018, 03:46:28 PM
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... since only a small fraction of merit sources are actually active in each foreign language board. Should users not be allowed to rank up just because their native language isn't English? ...

... What you (and a lot of other prominent members) fail to realize is that there are plenty of members who make quality posts in their native language on local boards, yet receive no merit because each board only has one or two merit sources.

You touched on a good point about Merit question: Merit sources on local boards.
I'm aware about the theymos intent to designate local members as sources of Merits, but until now we got no success in applications of  brazilian/portuguese users.
Many users are already without or with few merits and in near future our local community may be stagnant.

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May 03, 2018, 07:47:37 AM
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I've read so many threads and posts about merit, and I've come to realise that the real problem with the merit system is that it rewards meritorious posters. Post count is just a simple count of the number of posts made, regardless of content or benefit to forum members. Activity is a limiter to control the rewards for over-active posters. Trust is a comment on trading morality, and the honesty of a member. Merit is a reflection of the mental ability of the poster, and his willingness to follow community guidelines on posting. If you don't have the ability or intelligence to construct useful posts, then of course you will see merit as discriminating against you. The sensible member will endeavour to develop his abilities to take advantage of the verdant pastures that surround the cesspit.

It isn't too difficult to improve your posting skills. The first task is to read the rules, and to read the thread before you post in it. The second task is to ensure that your post can be understood by your readers. This means you should check for typing errors and misspellings before you hit post. If English isn't your first language, then try to ensure that your sentence structure follows the rules of English, and isn't just a word translation of your local language.

Well said. I have seen too that maximum Jr.  Members are expecting merit. It's ok they can expect if they make good post. But when I see they just want upgrade their rank only for signature camping, then I feel really bad myself. Even though I am still Jr. Member, I have not joined yet any bounty. Because I had joined bitcointalk for learn about cryptocurrency and I am still learning.
On the other hand English is most important for this forum to get merit. Because this is the most popular forum about cryptocurrency.

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May 03, 2018, 08:11:47 AM
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You are over complicating things way too much.

Bitcointalk really turned to shit last year.
Of course, something like this would be implemented because so many spambots were using it to get money.
So just make it so that spambots can't rank up and they will change or go away.
It's totally fine.

But, on the other hand, all of these whining posts do come from somewhere.
Merit is incredibly difficult to get.
Supposedly, you get merit just by, "Doing what you are supposed to do and making quality posts"
The reality is that there just is not enough smerit to go around and their are boards where there are hardly any smerit being passed around at all *cough cough altcoin discusion

The merit system is not some revolutionary proof of brain concept.
It is just a system to try and regulate a forum but has turned out to be arbitrary at best.
That's all.
Correct indeed, It may ne hard for new members as the older members that reach higher rank when merit system still not implemented but merit's goal is to organizes our post so that it would be easier to gain information you still did not know yet. But as you have know of it doesn't do that much yet until now but it surely does it's goal step by step. Yeah there are lots of new members whining about merit system and creating merit based topics but merit system is for bitcointalk to be a good forum and organized forum for everyone who want's to learn CRYPTOCURRENCY.

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May 03, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
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It wasn't suggested that the merit concept is revolutionary. Post count is a proof of work, activity is a work limiter, and merit is intended to be an indication that you can actually think about the work you are doing - hence proof of brain.

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May 03, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
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The most popular posters are popular because they make good posts. It's hardly surprising that they are awarded merits.

You could find this out easily: make a new account without telling you're JC. Check how long it takes before you earn your first Merits. Smiley

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You could find this out easily: make a new account without telling you're JC. Check how long it takes before you earn your first Merits. Smiley

I did that, and I started to receive merits. It was only then that I thought I has better post the association.

The real problem is not getting merits for posting, but finding posts that are worth meriting.

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hey  then why not make it fair to all of the members of BTT forum and implement a complementary system that  reduce  high rank members merits ( and if accumulated  it will reduce rank ofc )  if they dont get new merit in a certain time     . i mean they are heroes and  full members   it should be easy to get 1 merit  since they have more experience in the forum  

that will for sure expose those fake rank members  that simply take from the forum with no giving back or contribution to make it better  


 

Why is this necessary? You could just as easily argue that it's then not fair to all the old timers who have been making quality contributions here for years. I'm not sure why you really care about others either as it doesn't effect you at all. You should accept it and be more concerned about making quality posts to receive merit yourself because regardless of whether it was retroactive or not you would still be in the same position.

Another thing I have noticed about merit is that people only merit most popular posters even when it's clear those being merited don't need the merit for anything. 

Or these more popular posters tend to make the best posts? It's not a coincidence. If you're 'popular' here it's probably for good reason and they're only popular because they've made posts over time that stand out. I would rather not give my merits to those that don't really 'need' them but if I see a post that I think is deserving or helpful I wan't to show appreciation of it. I think it's helpful to others as well to show what sorts of posts are deserving of merit.

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May 03, 2018, 12:10:00 PM
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If you start from a new account, then you will understand what you see is just a joke, I do believe no one can rise to Hero member under the merit system
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Registration date for this account is - Date Registered:   March 27, 2018, 07:55:50 AM

And it will rank up to member at the next activity update. I'll probably reduce the amount of posting with this account, as I hope that merit is a dying topic, and I'm more interested in the English language help topics. I think those would help genuine members to move up through the ranks, but it saddens me that so few members want to make any effort to improve their posting skills. Several members have already been promoted to heroes under the new system.

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If you start from a new account, then you will understand what you see is just a joke, I do believe no one can rise to Hero member under the merit system

It was also a joke that people can sign up here with literally hundreds of accounts and post nonsense everyday just to rank up and hence why the forum is such a shitshow. Now that's not possible without putting substantial effort into your posts. Lot's of people will rise to Hero member and a new user has nearly one and half years to get the required merit. If you can't get it in that time then you're probably contributing very little and don't deserve the rank.  

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Why is this necessary? You could just as easily argue that it's then not fair to all the old timers who have been making quality contributions here for years. I'm not sure why you really care about others either as it doesn't effect you at all. You should accept it and be more concerned about making quality posts to receive merit yourself because regardless of whether it was retroactive or not you would still be in the same position.





And if someone decides to take a break from the forum?  Roll Eyes

Should we also go back and start re-meriting every post ever made so that old members get their "fair share" of merits? That idea was also brought up at some point. It's all quite meaningless though. The merit system has been designed to curb shitposting going forward. It's not going to give you some sort of retroactive social justice. Focus on your own merits. Start with punctuation.

well  there is always the activity  .. if the member own activity with no merit   it may make sense

also  you understood me wrong  am pointing to those alt high rank accounts  that  only do bounties  ( i think i replied to a specific post  that talk about rank farming  before the merit system  Smiley )

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 Rewards early adoption.. simply being in the right place in the right time is the most important thing in life, and this system heavily rewards that to its earliest users.

fair enough   Smiley  like in the bounty campaign that people who complain about merit join  [ first come first serve ]  you don't like that ?  then work for it and post better contents .

you should read all what i said 

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If you've come here for the right reason(s), then you don't really care about high ranks[1]. This is the only truth in this context. Everything else is either bullshit or an excuse ("early members unfair advantage", "elitists", "you wouldn't rank up with a new account either" et. al.).
To everyone new joining here: You deserve nothing[1], and you are entitled to nothing[3].

[1] Users do care about passing some initial ranks due to use limitations.
[2] Making XYZ shitposts that you think are "quality contributions" doesn't mean that you deserve anything.
[3] If you think that you are, then you are an delusional idiot and not welcome here.

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May 03, 2018, 01:58:34 PM
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The most popular posters are popular because they make good posts. It's hardly surprising that they are awarded merits.
maybe, you are right, but, sometimes, i see posts with merit, and i don't think sometimes, that it because great posts, maybe only great sarcasm Grin

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