Satoshidice 50% address ripping me off.

[fuggedit]

I am quite sure the SD 50% is ripping me. I kept betting in a Martingale style over and over thinking id eventually get a win. After 9 times, no win and .80 btc shorter. This has got to be a mistake. I looked up the sd address on bchain and it was in the NEGATIVE!! This has gotta be the problem right?

[b!z]

Wait for the daily secret to be revealed and check that the results were calculated fairly.

[lolbitcoins]

Just because you are losing does not mean it's rigged;  You can potentially lose 20 times in a row.  Even Martingale does not increase your expected value.  Each "roll" is independent of the last.

It's just a dumb dice game with a house edge of 1%.  That means as you trend toward spending infinitely many BTC you will receive 99 BTC in return for every 100 BTC you spend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_%28betting_system%29

[Stunna]

It's impossible for SatoshiDice to 'rip you off' without you being able to verify they were doing exactly that. Your rolls are determined by the TXID which SatoshiDice has no control over. As Biz said, wait for the secret to be revealed. Once it is you will be able to calculate exactly what your rolls should have been, and I'm certain they'll match up to what you were given.

Keep in mind, 8 losses in a row isn't improbable and bettors should never feel invincible martingaling.

[lightlord]

9 losses is only 1 in 512 chance.

That's not very unlikely.
I alone hit 18 loss streak once on just-dice and even then I know its luck.
But once you consider I played 10,000 games of small betting amounts.
Taking 1 in (262,144/10,000)=26.21, Suddenly my odds of this occurring was 1 in 26.21 Chance.
If a 1 in 512 event occurred here, I would of gotten, 23 losses in a row instead of 18.

The longer you play, the more its bound to occur, playing with smaller amounts just manipulates it at a slower rate.
Making 1000 bets at a small amount, or 1 bet on a large amount, turns out to be the same.

Making threads like this is only pointful, if either you found out some sort of actual cheating with proof or got something substantial, or improbable like 25 losses in a row +
or something remarkable. Then ppl would be interested just from the shock factor of such an improbable event, but still would in the end point out that each roll is independent and its bound to happen to someone. Even if it occurred 50 times in a row. Anything below is just silly and a waste of time and not worth mentioning. Unless you found
substantial evidence of some actual cheating going on from the casino house to you.

I am also saying this from a perception, I had someone win the jackpot on the slot machine twice in a row in my casino. Which is extremely improbable, but again not impossible.
As let alone, winning once is super rare, winning twice in a row, with no spin gaps, is ((super rare) ^ 2)
Hence the beauty of probably fair, where you can win at any given time, and there is no set timings.



This person hit a jackpot, and then on the second spin, he got scatters, or free spins, which pay 2X to the regular spins, and hit the jackpot again.
I was shocked myself, but again since its probably fair, this could occur at anytime.

I am quite sure the SD 50% is ripping me. I kept betting in a Martingale style over and over thinking id eventually get a win. After 9 times, no win and .80 btc shorter. This has got to be a mistake. I looked up the sd address on bchain and it was in the NEGATIVE!! This has gotta be the problem right?

[aksplace]

9 losses is only 1 in 512 chance.

That's not very unlikely.
I alone hit 18 loss streak once on just-dice and even then I know its luck.
But once you consider I played 10,000 games of small betting amounts.
Taking 1 in (262,144/10,000)=26.21, Suddenly my odds of this occurring was 1 in 26.21 Chance.
If a 1 in 512 event occurred here, I would of gotten, 23 losses in a row instead of 18.

The longer you play, the more its bound to occur, playing with smaller amounts just manipulates it at a slower rate.
Making 1000 bets at a small amount, or 1 bet on a large amount, turns out to be the same.

Making threads like this is only pointful, if either you found out some sort of actual cheating with proof or got something substantial, or improbable like 25 losses in a row +
or something remarkable. Then ppl would be interested just from the shock factor of such an improbable event, but still would in the end point out that each roll is independent and its bound to happen to someone. Even if it occurred 50 times in a row. Anything below is just silly and a waste of time and not worth mentioning. Unless you found
substantial evidence of some actual cheating going on from the casino house to you.

I am also saying this from a perception, I had someone win the jackpot on the slot machine twice in a row in my casino. Which is extremely improbable, but again not impossible.
As let alone, winning once is super rare, winning twice in a row, with no spin gaps, is ((super rare) ^ 2)
Hence the beauty of probably fair, where you can win at any given time, and there is no set timings.



This person hit a jackpot, and then on the second spin, he got scatters, or free spins, which pay 2X to the regular spins, and hit the jackpot again.
I was shocked myself, but again since its probably fair, this could occur at anytime.

I am quite sure the SD 50% is ripping me. I kept betting in a Martingale style over and over thinking id eventually get a win. After 9 times, no win and .80 btc shorter. This has got to be a mistake. I looked up the sd address on bchain and it was in the NEGATIVE!! This has gotta be the problem right?

Plus they paid him the same day if I recall no questions asked. Great Casino !

[fuggedit]

Look, I realize what youre saying, I am the 1st to admit that a losing streak can potentially in the realm of possibility go on infinitely. But sice the last 8-9 bets, I've since made 6 or so more, this time scattering .02 here .01 there, .04 here. All on 50%, 73%, 79%, even 85 %. This makes a total of 20 bets, 12 or so were 50%, the rest were about 4-5 or each aprx 8 >48,000 (73%), >52,000 (79%) and like 4 of the > 56,000 (85% bets)

THATS ON TOP OF THE PREV. BETS I MENTIONED!! Something is def amiss. I emailed sd support, she was very nice, but no real answer other than telling me to wait.

I lost a total of 2.3 bitcoins from just testing this and I feel really stupid. There is no way this can be possible. ALSO, THERE WERE NEGATIVE BALANCES ON THE ADDRESSES I CHECKED A FEW TIMES!! (Namely 50%, 48%, 73%)

Give me a real explanation of how this is even closely probably and I'll give you my bank account numbers. Better yet, Make the same exact bets I made, wait it out, then show me what happened. Then I will def give you my Bank Balance...(*Hint-It is empty now as well)

[fuggedit]

INVALID BBCODE: close of unopened tag in table (1)

[Light]

From a statistical point of view you losing ~30 doesn't really prove anything as it is all part of variance. It's very flawed to think just because you lost in the past you'll win again in the future (see Gambler's Fallacy). If it's actually a bug I would think that it would be more systematic than simply you. However you do have my condolences.

[fuggedit]

Suspicios... After I raise a stink the lookup site comes back up and all the info is there... How can I verify the real roll numbers?

Heres what they were I just checked now:

Bet/Lose:
-.03            61011 L   <52,000- My last bet

(ALL Rest are 50% >32,768)
 -.03            51929 L
 -.08            54423  L
 -.13           49633  L
 -.15             52100  L
 -.10            33292  L
 -.14           55330  L
 -.07           60441  L
 -.05          57339  L
                    .01        10218 W                  WIN +.00957
-.02        60872  L
-.06        32868  L
-.0125     55730  L

ALL UNDER 50% !!!








 Lose   -.03    Lessthan 52,000      61011
Details   2013-11-26 19:33:22   lessthan 48000   132bc55c   0   4e452784   1A85Gg2      0.06750000   LOSE   0.00033750   58291
Details   2013-11-25 23:31:10   lessthan 52000   08ce6958   0   2d85f828   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.05000000   WIN   0.06175301   32614
Details   2013-11-25 13:44:08   lessthan 32768   08dd80c7   0   376e4e6b   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.03200000   LOSE   0.00016000   51929
Details   2013-11-25 11:43:56   lessthan 32768   1bc6f471   0   07a8578f   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.08000000   LOSE   0.00040000   54423
Details   2013-11-25 11:43:24   lessthan 32768   cff4060e   0   439f926f   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.13000000   LOSE   0.00065000   49633
Details   2013-11-25 04:02:04   lessthan 32768   bc77962d   0   1dde2e31   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.15300000   LOSE   0.00076500   52100
Details   2013-11-25 04:01:53   lessthan 32768   268c611b   0   ffef509f   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.10000000   LOSE   0.00050000   33292
Details   2013-11-25 02:45:14   lessthan 32768   f641461d   0   6e891005   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.14000000   LOSE   0.00070000   55330
Details   2013-11-25 02:31:27   lessthan 32768   4afe8dab   0   bb6bb95c   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.07000000   LOSE   0.00035000   60441
Details   2013-11-25 02:17:02   lessthan 32768   15633a39   0   52bb7f90   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.05000000   LOSE   0.00025000   57339
Details   2013-11-24 23:21:11   lessthan 32768   67cc9037   0   c087cb48   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.01000000   WIN   0.01957000   10218
Details   2013-11-24 21:52:43   lessthan 32768   9bb216f8   0   dab4a202   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.02000000   LOSE   0.00010000   60872
Details   2013-11-24 20:34:51   lessthan 56000   357eac80   0   1bc50017   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.06000000   WIN   0.06883193   32868
Details   2013-11-24 20:34:23   lessthan 8000   7748588b   0   969faca4   1A85Gg2   CONFIRMED   0.01250000   LOSE   0.00006250   55730
out of 10 bets under 32768, heres what happened:

[fuggedit]

It's impossible for SatoshiDice to 'rip you off' without you being able to verify they were doing exactly that. Your rolls are determined by the TXID which SatoshiDice has no control over. As Biz said, wait for the secret to be revealed. Once it is you will be able to calculate exactly what your rolls should have been, and I'm certain they'll match up to what you were given.

Keep in mind, 8 losses in a row isn't improbable and bettors should never feel invincible martingaling.

8 lossess in a row is nothing, agreed, but Ived lost about 25-30 consecutlively.

How exactly do I do that process Stunna; of verifying the numbers rolled with the secret ID?


BTW I think I am going to switch entirely from SD to PD from now on.... ( Oh yea, while you're here, I am still awaiting my payment for my sig btw. I started in Oct 12th I believe, lost my acct for 1/2 month)

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

It's impossible for SatoshiDice to 'rip you off' without you being able to verify they were doing exactly that. Your rolls are determined by the TXID which SatoshiDice has no control over. As Biz said, wait for the secret to be revealed. Once it is you will be able to calculate exactly what your rolls should have been, and I'm certain they'll match up to what you were given.

Keep in mind, 8 losses in a row isn't improbable and bettors should never feel invincible martingaling.

8 lossess in a row is nothing, agreed, but Ived lost about 25-30 consecutlively.

How exactly do I do that process Stunna; of verifying the numbers rolled with the secret ID?


BTW I think I am going to switch entirely from SD to PD from now on.... ( Oh yea, while you're here, I am still awaiting my payment for my sig btw. I started in Oct 12th I believe, lost my acct for 1/2 month)

I have lost 16 times in a row martingaling, I busted at 15 loss streak martingaling, deposit my last bitcoins, martingale for a few minutes and hit a 16 loss streak within minutes. So yes, not improbable, very possible. I lost a few bitcoins, but I moved on.

As for PrimeDice, please view this thread. I have not accused them of manipulation, but outline that it's very much possible,

[EzCheese]

It's impossible for SatoshiDice to 'rip you off' without you being able to verify they were doing exactly that. Your rolls are determined by the TXID which SatoshiDice has no control over. As Biz said, wait for the secret to be revealed. Once it is you will be able to calculate exactly what your rolls should have been, and I'm certain they'll match up to what you were given.

Keep in mind, 8 losses in a row isn't improbable and bettors should never feel invincible martingaling.

8 lossess in a row is nothing, agreed, but Ived lost about 25-30 consecutlively.

How exactly do I do that process Stunna; of verifying the numbers rolled with the secret ID?


BTW I think I am going to switch entirely from SD to PD from now on.... ( Oh yea, while you're here, I am still awaiting my payment for my sig btw. I started in Oct 12th I believe, lost my acct for 1/2 month)

I have lost 16 times in a row martingaling, I busted at 15 loss streak martingaling, deposit my last bitcoins, martingale for a few minutes and hit a 16 loss streak within minutes. So yes, not improbable, very possible. I lost a few bitcoins, but I moved on.

As for PrimeDice, please view this thread. I have not accused them of manipulation, but outline that it's very much possible,

I hit a nice loss streak last week, the knee jerk reaction is to claim cheating, but like high school football, you just need to walk that anger off and not play dice anymore. 

[WayTooGosu]

9 losses in a row is not improbable at all. You should read about martingale on sites such as Wikipedia before trying it. That way you understand how it works and how the math works.