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November 29, 2013, 12:59:09 PM
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'Before we relegate a speculative event to the fundamentally inexplicable or bubble category driven by crowd psychology, we should exhaust the reasonable economic explanations. Such explanations are often not easily generated due to the inherent complexity of economic phenomena, but bubble explanations are often clutched as a first and not a last resort. Indeed, “bubble” characterizations should be a last resort because they are non-explanations of events, merely a name that we attach to a financial phenomenon that we have not invested sufficiently in understanding. Invoking crowd psychology—which is always ill defined and unmeasured—turns our explanation to tautology in a self-deluding attempt to say something more than a confession of confusion.' - Garber, Peter M; Famous First Bubbles

The word bubble is used throughout these forums and the wider web to describe Bitcoin as if it is self evident that this is what it is and will consequently pop or deflate in a short span of time.  Certainly the market is volatile and displays bubble characteristics, but is it legitimate to use the term before discussing a rational pricing model or even before there is a significant crash?  If it is legitimate and price rises/falls have no other economic explanation than pure speculation then what is an efficient strategy for a rational investor?

There is a nice paper called 'Riding Bubbles' by Guenster, Kole and Jacobsen from 2010, that I would be interested in discussing if anyone wishes to take a look along with any historical comparisons to past famous bubbles.

https://research.mbs.ac.uk/accounting-finance/Portals/0/docs/2010/RidingBubbles.pdf

The global nature of Bitcoin and high levels of non professional trading, I think makes it a very interesting subject for study. If it keeps growing at its current rate I think a great many people will be forced to ride the bubble whether they believe in it or not.
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November 29, 2013, 03:16:59 PM
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It's simple. The bubble people are wrong. Bitcoin is simply too solid to die off for no reason, it will eventually reach a stable price when the entire world is using it. But not until then.

Look inside yourself, and you will see that you are the bubble.
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November 29, 2013, 04:51:42 PM
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It's simple. The bubble people are wrong. Bitcoin is simply too solid to die off for no reason, it will eventually reach a stable price when the entire world is using it. But not until then.

bubble does not imply death; right now bitcoin's fiat value is being driven by speculators.  if the entire world were to adopt bitcoin it would be much more stable as bitcoin's price would then become consumer driven and as we near the end of coin creation, deflation driven.

the current hyperdeflation will pop but bitcoin will not die because of it.
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November 29, 2013, 05:05:31 PM
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bubble does not imply death;
That's exactly what it implies. That's why people use it so much. And don't think that joe average won't join in because he sees potential for easy money. It's all speculating right to the top.

Look inside yourself, and you will see that you are the bubble.
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