BitPay black friday numbers suck?

[revans]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rq4yv/attn_bitpay_you_need_to_release_statistics_of/

Seems they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for Bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday. I think it is safe to assume the reason is the figures are bad, as if it was otherwise they'd be desperate to crow about them.

[freethink2013]

For most of the rest of the world black friday is our hunger games where we watch desperate poor people fight each other for baubles.

[Crazy]

Of course they suck. For the last 30 days or so, BTC has mostly been hoarded. And it'll continue to be hoarded until new money is convinced they'll be buying the top and hold off.

[Peter R]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rq4yv/attn_bitpay_you_need_to_release_statistics_of/

Seems they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for Bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday. I think it is safe to assume the reason is the figures are bad, as if it was otherwise they'd be desperate to crow about them.

How can they release the numbers when Black Friday is still in progress in much of the world?  

I'm doing my Christmas shopping as we speak and have made 9 BitPay purchases already.  Last year there were 99 BitPay purchases during the 24 hr Bitcoin Day period in *total*.  It will be interesting to see how much we have grown by.  

[mrjeff]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rq4yv/attn_bitpay_you_need_to_release_statistics_of/

Seems they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for Bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday. I think it is safe to assume the reason is the figures are bad, as if it was otherwise they'd be desperate to crow about them.

Where do you see that they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday? Also, Black Friday is not even half-over is some places...it's only 2:00pm on the west coast and we're complaining that bitpay hasn't released black friday numbers?

[revans]

Of course they suck. For the last 30 days or so, BTC has mostly been hoarded. And it'll continue to be hoarded until new money is convinced they'll be buying the top and hold off.

It is disappointing that they will not clarify just how awful they were though, but then I suppose they have investors to consider.

[revans]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rq4yv/attn_bitpay_you_need_to_release_statistics_of/

Seems they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for Bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday. I think it is safe to assume the reason is the figures are bad, as if it was otherwise they'd be desperate to crow about them.

Where do you see that they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday? Also, Black Friday is not even half-over is some places...it's only 2:00pm on the west coast and we're complaining that bitpay hasn't released black friday numbers?

It has been ruled out though, be in tomorrow, next week or next year.

[mrjeff]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rq4yv/attn_bitpay_you_need_to_release_statistics_of/

Seems they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for Bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday. I think it is safe to assume the reason is the figures are bad, as if it was otherwise they'd be desperate to crow about them.

Where do you see that they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday? Also, Black Friday is not even half-over is some places...it's only 2:00pm on the west coast and we're complaining that bitpay hasn't released black friday numbers?

It has been ruled out though, be in tomorrow, next week or next year.

Show me the statement from bitpay that it has been ruled out. 

[revans]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rq4yv/attn_bitpay_you_need_to_release_statistics_of/

Seems they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for Bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday. I think it is safe to assume the reason is the figures are bad, as if it was otherwise they'd be desperate to crow about them.

Where do you see that they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday? Also, Black Friday is not even half-over is some places...it's only 2:00pm on the west coast and we're complaining that bitpay hasn't released black friday numbers?

It has been ruled out though, be in tomorrow, next week or next year.

Show me the statement from bitpay that it has been ruled out. 

It's in the comments section on reddit

[theonewhowaskazu]

For most of the rest of the world black friday is our hunger games where we watch desperate poor people fight each other for baubles.

Man speaks the truth.

[mrjeff]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rq4yv/attn_bitpay_you_need_to_release_statistics_of/

Seems they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for Bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday. I think it is safe to assume the reason is the figures are bad, as if it was otherwise they'd be desperate to crow about them.

Where do you see that they have refused to even consider releasing the numbers for bitcoin transactions via BitPay for black friday? Also, Black Friday is not even half-over is some places...it's only 2:00pm on the west coast and we're complaining that bitpay hasn't released black friday numbers?

It has been ruled out though, be in tomorrow, next week or next year.

Show me the statement from bitpay that it has been ruled out. 

It's in the comments section on reddit

Bitpay hasn't posted anything to reddit in the last day and the post on reddit was made 2 hours ago.  Can you please link to the statement you are referring to?  You can link to individual comments on reddit if you need to.

[Peter R]

Revans' ignore tag is glowing for a reason.  He is not telling the truth.

Last year BitPay did 99 transactions on Bitcoin Day.  You can confirm this by reading the quote from Tony Gallippi here:

http://codinginmysleep.com/bitcoin-friday-results/


I expect BitPay's total transaction numbers for today to be significantly higher.  The price of bitcoin has gone up by roughly a factor of 100 since Bitcoin Day last year.  I wonder if BitPay's transactions will be greater or less than 100 x 99  = 9900 (99 being what they did last year)?  

[KeyserSoze]

I made 30-40 BitPay transactions via Gyft.com today. I spent a few BTC loading up on gift cards and then spent some of those on Amazon. I spent more dough for this holiday season than any other in my life, all in Bitcoin, all today. Thanks to Coinbase + Gyft/BitPay + Amazon.

[Peter R]

I made 30-40 BitPay transactions via Gyft.com today. I spent a few BTC loading up on gift cards and then spent some of those on Amazon. I spent more dough for this holiday season than any other in my life, all in Bitcoin, all today. Thanks to Coinbase + Gyft/BitPay + Amazon.

I thought my 10 BitPay transactions (so far today) was good.  Nice work!  Christmas shopping today exclusively with bitcoin has really opened my eyes to how quickly retailers (albiet typically small niche retailers) are coming on board.  As you pointed out, Gyft is making a huge contribution too.

[karlmarxxx]

Bitpay twitter suggests record volume in transactions, so this thread should close...

BitPay ‏@bitpay 5h
We are seeing record #bitcoin transaction volume today.  #bitcoinblackfriday

[revans]

Bitpay twitter suggests record volume in transactions, so this thread should close...

BitPay ‏@bitpay 5h
We are seeing record #bitcoin transaction volume today.  #bitcoinblackfriday

If last year's dismal showing is the metric of comparison I don't think there is much to get excited about

[chrsjrcj]

This thread is a joke.

Bitpay has absolutely zero obligation to release there numbers, and Black Friday isn't even over yet. I've been away from home all day, and have finally been able to spend my coins.

[benjamindees]

Bitpay is crashing and burning at the moment.  Go to any of their merchants and try to buy something.  If the numbers suck, it'll be because they suck.

[Odrec]

Was anyone expecting anything different??

[kireinaha]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

[Crazy]

Yes, welcome to bitcoin

[TheFacilitator]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

I spent 100 mBTC on gifts...then immediately afterwards I bought 100 mBTC from coinbase. problem solved.

[notme]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

They are talking about potential, not current value.  Whether or not the potential will play out in the future is unknown, so it doesn't hurt to lock in a small part of the tremendous gains most have seen this month, especially if it helps make a case for merchant adoption.

[KeyserSoze]

Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

Personally there a number of factors:
- I understand that what is happening with bitcoin may continue or it may not. It could be $10,000 or $100,000 or never more than $1,250. I may as well hold some and spend some so I gain in either event.
- I was lucky to have bought years ago. I feel like I can spare a few.
- I could die tomorrow. Why not enjoy it while I have it? And not just me, but my family as well?
- Even though I am self-employed I still live "check to check," it's just that my checks are sporadic. I am not wealthy. I'm always scraping by to get that mortgage payment. I have no savings aside from bitcoin. I don't feel like I could spare cash for the holidays but I do feel like I could spare a few coins.
- On top of those reasons there is always the old "why would you buy a computer when tomorrow it'll be faster and cheaper?" At some point, if one wants a computer, one just needs to dive in without over-analyzing it.

[Crazy]

All valid points except the last one. You don't really NEED to spend them, as you might NEED a computer to achieve some desired goal. In which case it would be a necessary sacrifice.

[Buffer Overflow]

I spent 100 mBTC on gifts...then immediately afterwards I bought 100 mBTC from coinbase. problem solved.

Yes this a personal rule I've always stuck to. If I spend some coins, I always top up again with equal or greater amount.

This way I protect myself from self butthurt if price rises.

[proudhon]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

Sometimes you just want something.

[Buffer Overflow]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

Why would anybody by a mobile phone? If they waited a few months they could buy a better model cheaper.

[Sindelar1938]

because unless you spend some of your coins, the rest aint gonna be valued at 10k

perfectly logical

[Ozymandias]

In case anyone was actually wondering about BitPay's Black Friday numbers:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20131202005685/en/BitPay-Drives-Explosive-Growth-Bitcoin-Commerce

tl:dr - record breaking volume!

[Buffer Overflow]

ROFL

Revans is going to do his nut!! What a loser!

Time to eat some humble pie.     

[Ozymandias]

ROFL

Revans is going to do his nut!! What a loser!

Time to eat some humble pie.     

FUDsters don't let facts get in the way of their work

[Coinseeker]

That is likely a self-issued press release from Bitpay.  Hardly enough to claim it as "fact".  It's a pretty standard PR move.

[Buffer Overflow]

That is likely a self-issued press release from Bitpay.  Hardly enough to claim it as "fact".  It's a pretty standard PR move.

True but where else is the data going to come from?

[ElectricMucus]

That is likely a self-issued press release from Bitpay.  Hardly enough to claim it as "fact".  It's a pretty standard PR move.

True but where else is the data going to come from?

Somewhere between the left and right hemispheres of Anthony Gallippi.

[beetcoin]

i doubt the numbers will look bad. there was lots of bitcoin fervor and fever this year.. maybe they are probably just withholding the information until it's "good times to release the news." maybe they are holding it for when they want for a rally to occur  

[Coinseeker]

That is likely a self-issued press release from Bitpay.  Hardly enough to claim it as "fact".  It's a pretty standard PR move.

True but where else is the data going to come from?

Nowhere if they don't actually release verifiable data.  But to the OP question, do Bitpay's numbers suck?  I'd ask compared to what or whom?  What are "non-suck" numbers?  If the 6% of all Bitcoin transactions is to be believed, for Bitpay, that's likely a huge success.  As for Bitcoin supposedly being a transactional currency, who's $1000+ price is justified by merchant spending and not just speculation, that's a terrible number.  Just depends on the perspective of the individual.  

[BittBurger]

Here's another reason why the Bitpay numbers may suck:

Because Bitpay's payment system still sucks.  (Sorry guys)

I shopped on two websites this weekend and *both* of them timed out with Bitpay's API.

Sat there for 20+ minutes waiting for the bitpay payment page to refresh and confirm payment, and it never did.

Both merchants got all my invo and completed orders, but I was given no confirmation page.   Nothing.

Pretty sure people bailed while trying to buy.

Amazes me that Bitpay is the biggest and most successful and they don't have basic shit like this figured out yet ....

I've opened a ticket with them on it.  Unfortunately one of their employees who answers tickets has a difficult time comprehending complex descriptions of things.

[beetcoin]

those numbers look pretty good to me. i'm not sure why they'd cook up their numbers, as it would only cause more of a liability towards them down the road.

[ElectricMucus]

those numbers look pretty good to me. i'm not sure why they'd cook up their numbers, as it would only cause more of a liability towards them down the road.

Cheating is done when you think you don't get caught.

[Buffer Overflow]

Thing is Bitpay can't win.
If they don't announce their figures, people will say they are doing poorly.
If they do announce poor results, people will talk about how poorly they are doing.
If they do announce good results, they must of cooked the books so they mist be doing poorly.

Kind of pointless even discussing it really.

[beetcoin]

Thing is Bitpay can't win.
If they don't announce their figures, people will say they are doing poorly.
If they do announce poor results, people will talk about how poorly they are doing.
If they do announce good results, they must of cooked the books so they mist be doing poorly.

Kind of pointless even discussing it really.

this. there's always a conspiracy theory running amok. even though it's not certain, i would tend to believe their numbers though. they are a new up and coming company/service, so if they were to fudge their numbers, they'd lose a lot of credibility. and is it so hard to believe that we are achieving record numbers with bitcoin transactions? it absolutely makes sense.

[sgbett]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

Sometimes you just want something.

This can't be stated strongly enough. If I could have bought stuff direct for BTC I would have, but I couldn't so I had to trade for fiat first.

Think of a time in the (hopefully) not too distant future, where you don't *have* to convert to dollars to buy something, and neither does the merchant feel compelled to convert to dollars when the sale goes through.

What is *that* going to do to the exchange price?

imho, that is when the real fun starts.

[Peter R]

A brief report on my Bitcoin Friday experience

I shy away from unbridled consumerism, but I took Bitcoin Black Friday as an opportunity to purchase things I would buy anyways, help spread the word about this innovative new money, and stress-test the bitcoin network on this busy shopping day.  (Interestingly enough, someone at the rec-center yesterday brought up Black Friday and asked if I bought anything--I mentioned the bitcoin promotions and it was a perfect segue into a deeper discussion about Bitcoin--turns out he had thought about getting involved during the summer.  He asked what the price was now, I said around $1000 and....man....you should have seen the look on his face.)

Back to my report:  scanning a bitcoin-QR code with your phone, pressing "send," and then watching the BitPay invoice turn green a fraction of a second later is slick and futuristic--no typing in my credit card information!  With bitlisten.com playing in the background, you can hear the music made as transactions like yours and others from around the world flood the network--the future of money indeed. 

My GF and I purchased loose-leaf tea from www.tealet.com, unique flavoured lollypops from www.lollyphile.com,  honey and caramels from www.beesbros.com/bitcoin-store.html, soap from www.shiresoaps.com, bitcoin T-shirts from www.shirtoshi.com and www.pirateprintingcompany.com, nail polish from www.superblacklacquers.com, and a few Gyft cards from www.gyft.com.

Most of these vendors used BitPay, so the payment and ordering process was fast and efficient.  The time between transmitting my payment and the BitPay invoice showing "paid" was consistently less than a second.  And perhaps 2 seconds later I would receive a confirmation email from the vendor.  My biggest complaint was the amount of unnecessary data most the vendors still required on the order forms.  I do not like to give out my phone number since I detest telemarketers--I was disappointed that many vendors would not even process the order if I left this line blank.  Unlike Visa that needs to match you phone number, ZIP code, etc, when I pay with Bitcoin the vendor shouldn't care about my personal details: all I want to give is a shipping address and a name to ship it too.  Why does anything else matter?

I had planned on purchasing coffee form www.bitbrew.net, but had two problems: the first is that the coupon code "BTCFRIDAY" for 15% off didn't work; the second problem was that I couldn't figure out where I was supposed to send my bitcoins to (in the 3 seconds that I tried to solve this problem).  Consumers want a simple QR-code based experience like the one BitPay provides!

The purchase that went bad

Lastly, I tried to order a 1/10 oz gold eagle from Amagi Metals. The BitPay invoice came up, I sent the payment, but then the BitPay screen suddenly disappeared without ever saying "payment received."  I noticed my shopping cart at Amagi still had the gold coin in it, and later I received an email from Amagi asking if I needed help completing my order.  I verified on the blockchain.info that my payment was in fact received and confirmed.  The funds are still sitting in the address I sent them to. 

Was this a problem at Amagi's end?  A BitPay problem?  A man-in-the-middle attack?  I don't know, but I will next send emails to both BitPay and Amagi to try and get to the bottom of this issue. 

I have made about 25 BitPay payments in total and this is the only one I've had a problem with (and of course it may not even be a BitPay issue).


Overall, online shopping with bitcoin on Black Friday made me very excited for the bright future in store for this technology!

[SheHadMANHands]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

I spent 100 mBTC on gifts...then immediately afterwards I bought 100 mBTC from coinbase. problem solved.

This ... ^^

You can just immediately buy the bitcoin back if you don't want to lose any bitcoin balance.  That way you're still supporting the community by paying in bitcoin. 

[beetcoin]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

I spent 100 mBTC on gifts...then immediately afterwards I bought 100 mBTC from coinbase. problem solved.

This ... ^^

You can just immediately buy the bitcoin back if you don't want to lose any bitcoin balance.  That way you're still supporting the community by paying in bitcoin.  

the problem is that it costs you money to convert from fiat to BTC though. $100 USD to BTC would cost you an additional $1 + .15 cents.. so yeah, if you're looking to help out the development of BTC, it's worth the extra cost.. but otherwise it's going to cost you a little more.

i think i will still do this with an amazon gift card though. $101.15 or a $100 gift card, and i can get 3% back.. so a win/win.

[Peter R]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

I spent 100 mBTC on gifts...then immediately afterwards I bought 100 mBTC from coinbase. problem solved.

This ... ^^

You can just immediately buy the bitcoin back if you don't want to lose any bitcoin balance.  That way you're still supporting the community by paying in bitcoin.  

the problem is that it costs you money to convert from fiat to BTC though. $100 USD to BTC would cost you an additional $1 + .15 cents.. so yeah, if you're looking to help out the development of BTC, it's worth the extra cost.. but otherwise it's going to cost you a little more.

Depends: one could buy BTC from cavirtex at ~15% under BitStamp prices on Friday.  Since BitPay uses the BitStamp rate, one achieved a discount of at least 10% after all fees.  Of course, you needed a Canadian VirtEx account

[niothor]

"During the Bitcoin Black Friday event on November 29, BitPay processed 6,296 bitcoin transactions in a single day, making it the most popular day in the history of bitcoin commerce"
1 second of the visa transactions?

[Beta-coiner1]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/02/black-friday-set-a-record-for-bitcoin-commerce-bitpay-says/

[Tirapon]

All I see on the speculation subforum are posts by people who believe we`re going to see $10,000 per coin soon or some other wildly optimistic number, yet I also see many of the same people writing that they used their bitcoins this week for shopping. Why would you shop with your coins if you think they`ll be worth 10x (or whatever figure) next year? Is everyone here insane or what?

You can just immediately buy the bitcoin back if you don't want to lose any bitcoin balance.  That way you're still supporting the community by paying in bitcoin.  

the problem is that it costs you money to convert from fiat to BTC though. $100 USD to BTC would cost you an additional $1 + .15 cents...

We all have the ability to look beyond the here and now, towards the future development of Bitcoin. We understand that by using BTC as payment we will help to grow the economy and in turn increase the value of our bitcoins. So the extra $1.15 actually pays itself off in long term growth.

A lot of people bring up the 'deflationary problem' as the reason that Bitcoin won't succeeed long term. These people have no vision. They are continuously proven wrong by Bitcoin's massive growth, and they will miss out on the amazing opportunity thats staring them in the face.

[honky1492]

"During the Bitcoin Black Friday event on November 29, BitPay processed 6,296 bitcoin transactions in a single day, making it the most popular day in the history of bitcoin commerce"
1 second of the visa transactions?

Not fair comparsion when visa has ATMs on every corner. Bitcoin is still in very early adoption phase

[niothor]

"During the Bitcoin Black Friday event on November 29, BitPay processed 6,296 bitcoin transactions in a single day, making it the most popular day in the history of bitcoin commerce"
1 second of the visa transactions?

Not fair comparsion when visa has ATMs on every corner. Bitcoin is still in very early adoption phase

Yeah Bitcoin is in the adoption phase , but Bitpay goes backwards compared to it.

[revans]

Also, they don't give actual Bitcoin expenditure, just raw transactions. Given how much hype there was, and how Bitcoin users were being urged to take part in some way even if it was only a dollar equivalent transaction, because it was vital to create the appearance of Bitcoin as a payment system for commerce.