Negative Feedback.

[Sasuke102001]

A negative feedback was left for me based on the following accusation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg34957170#msg34957170

1) None of the profiles applied to any campaigns or bounties with the same addresses.

2) Just one transaction with each address, no frequent transactions that can raise suspicion.

Code:

0x856FaB3402D730045Ea0446CAD094c4A62dce37e
0x2425736D0764A630bc011C6118d3d01DdbF79470

[mdayonliner]

You need to contact with The Pharmacist and Lauda. They are the only person who can help you. If your explanation is correct then you might be successful. Good luck.

[BTCforJoe]

1) None of the profiles applied to any campaigns or bounties with the same addresses.

That's not why you were tagged, though. You were tagged for having multiple accounts participate in the same bounty campaign, and then having funds transferred from ETH accounts related to the multis to the ETH address that was previously associated with your current account.

There is an outbound transaction from @Adioliver's recorded ETH address (0x2425736D0764A630bc011C6118d3d01DdbF79470) to a recorded ETH address (0x9bB968440878783811eCf303523C35B7643a9c73) that you've used in the past, as can be seen here:

1. BTT Username: Sasuke102001
2. ETH Address:0x9bb968440878783811ecf303523c35b7643a9c73
3. Telegram username: @UchihASasukee
4. Date Joined the Telegram: 4th February 2018

The same is also evident with @Fazlurkhan.kz's recorded ETH address (0x856FaB3402D730045Ea0446CAD094c4A62dce37e) having an outbound transaction to your recorded ETH address.

Stating "Just one transaction with each address, no frequent transactions that can raise suspicion." is not enough to reduce suspicion. All it takes is one transaction to take place in order for suspicion to be aroused. There were TWO transactions (one each from two separate accounts) that took place from those individual accounts to yours.

You got caught. Deal with it.

[Sasuke102001]

1) None of the profiles applied to any campaigns or bounties with the same addresses.

That's not why you were tagged, though. You were tagged for having multiple accounts participate in the same bounty campaign, and then having funds transferred from ETH accounts related to the multis to the ETH address that was previously associated with your current account.

There is an outbound transaction from @Adioliver's recorded ETH address (0x2425736D0764A630bc011C6118d3d01DdbF79470) to a recorded ETH address (0x9bB968440878783811eCf303523C35B7643a9c73) that you've used in the past, as can be seen here:

1. BTT Username: Sasuke102001
2. ETH Address:0x9bb968440878783811ecf303523c35b7643a9c73
3. Telegram username: @UchihASasukee
4. Date Joined the Telegram: 4th February 2018

The same is also evident with @Fazlurkhan.kz's recorded ETH address (0x856FaB3402D730045Ea0446CAD094c4A62dce37e) having an outbound transaction to your recorded ETH address.

Stating "Just one transaction with each address, no frequent transactions that can raise suspicion." is not enough to reduce suspicion. All it takes is one transaction to take place in order for suspicion to be aroused. There were TWO transactions (one each from two separate accounts) that took place from those individual accounts to yours.

You got caught. Deal with it.

No where it could be seen that Adioliver or Fazlur used the address 0x9, all along it was used by me. 0x9 and 0x3 are being used by me.
And even if I cheated bounties, why would I just cheat 0.184 eth and 0 003 eth?
And I didn't know that sending some eth to someone makes them there alts (noted).
I can't see any 100% proof showing that I ever used alts.

[BTCforJoe]

No where it could be seen that Adioliver or Fazlur used the address 0x9, all along it was used by me. 0x9 and 0x3 are being used by me.

There are way too many coincidences for these transactions to be random

And even if I cheated bounties, why would I just cheat 0.184 eth and 0 003 eth?

I've seen a lot worse done by people for a lot less.

And I didn't know that sending some eth to someone makes them there alts (noted).

It does when the transactions, joined bounties, post activity times and ETH addresses all coincide with each other.

I can't see any 100% proof showing that I ever used alts.

Doesn't matter. Apparently, the behavior that your accounts showed was enough to raise suspicion and deem you untrustworthy to at least two DT members, which is why the trust system exists. Now that the accusations have been made, the ball's in your court to prove that these are not alt accounts of each other. Perhaps you can send a staff member of the forums a message to provide proof that none of the accounts have matching IP addresses?

I dunno, it seems pretty apparent to me, but hey, what do I know. I'm just a random forum user *shrugs*

[Sasuke102001]

No where it could be seen that Adioliver or Fazlur used the address 0x9, all along it was used by me. 0x9 and 0x3 are being used by me.

There are way too many coincidences for these transactions to be random

And even if I cheated bounties, why would I just cheat 0.184 eth and 0 003 eth?

I've seen a lot worse done by people for a lot less.

And I didn't know that sending some eth to someone makes them there alts (noted).

It does when the transactions, joined bounties, post activity times and ETH addresses all coincide with each other.

I can't see any 100% proof showing that I ever used alts.

Doesn't matter. Apparently, the behavior that your accounts showed was enough to raise suspicion and deem you untrustworthy to at least two DT members, which is why the trust system exists. Now that the accusations have been made, the ball's in your court to prove that these are not alt accounts of each other. Perhaps you can send a staff member of the forums a message to provide proof that none of the accounts have matching IP addresses?

I dunno, it seems pretty apparent to me, but hey, what do I know. I'm just a random forum user *shrugs*

I don't know much about Ip addresses in such cases, if you could help that would be helpful.

[BTCforJoe]

The merit sharing between the accounts is all coincidental, as well, right? Especially considering there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of accounts across the forums. You two just happened to come across each other 7 posts apart in a particular thread about merit when there were literally DOZENS of merit posts being made on a daily basis...


(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822349.msg28996429#msg28996429)


(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822349.msg29010604#msg29010604)


Merit summary for each of the accounts in question:


(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1101160)



(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=925340)



(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1147321)


This is all just coincidental, too, right? That the three accounts in question all somehow tie together with merits that were sent and received amongst the accounts, as well?

[Sasuke102001]

The merit sharing between the accounts is all coincidental, as well, right? Especially considering there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of accounts across the forums. You two just happened to come across each other 7 posts apart in a particular thread about merit when there were literally DOZENS of merit posts being made on a daily basis...


(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822349.msg28996429#msg28996429)


(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822349.msg29010604#msg29010604)


Merit summary for each of the accounts in question:


(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1101160)



(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=925340)



(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1147321)


This is all just coincidental, too, right? That the three accounts in question all somehow tie together with merits that were sent and received amongst the accounts, as well?

The merit thing, the merit I gave to Adioliver that's my decision and whoever they give it to that's there's. And as you brought it up we know each other personally.
If there's a way to show that the accounts are used by diff ip addresses then please tell, I guess that's the best shot I can give.

[BTCforJoe]

The merit thing, the merit I gave to Adioliver that's my decision and whoever they give it to that's there's. And as you brought it up we know each other personally.
If there's a way to show that the accounts are used by diff ip addresses then please tell, I guess that's the best shot I can give.

So now I'm assuming that @Adioliver and "Fazlur" (as you call him) know each other personally, too, right?

Dude, give it up already. Do you know what it means when people say "you're digging yourself a deeper hole"? You're just bringing more attention upon yourself and inviting the internet sleuths to come dissect your accounts even more.

Me? I'm done; I think I've satisfied my own curiosity enough to leave you alone now. Cheers.

[HCP]

... And as you brought it up we know each other personally.
If there's a way to show that the accounts are used by diff ip addresses then please tell, I guess that's the best shot I can give.

News at 11... "They're not 'Alt Accounts', we're just friends/family/classmates/co-workers!"

Unfortunately for you, the evidence, while admittedly somewhat circumstantial... shows that all these accounts are "connected". Especially the fact that they were all enrolled in the same bounties and then sent all the tokens to one address.

Additionally, no-one here really buys the "we're different people" excuse... MANY people have tried this... I'm not really aware of any that have actually satisfactorily proved it. As far as using IP addresses to try and prove your case, the only people who can do that will be the admins who have the server records.

Maybe if you had (dated) chat logs showing discussions amongst yourselves to buy/sell/trade the tokens with your "friends" that might help your cause... but I wouldn't get my hopes up.


One last piece of advice... DON'T send Lauda or The Pharmacist unsolicited PM's regarding your negative trust... it'll most probably just make things worse!

[mdayonliner]

The merit thing, the merit I gave to Adioliver that's my decision and whoever they give it to that's there's. And as you brought it up we know each other personally.
If there's a way to show that the accounts are used by diff ip addresses then please tell, I guess that's the best shot I can give.

News at 11... "They're not 'Alt Accounts', we're just friends/family/classmates/co-workers!"

@HCP: Can you add below with your news... please 

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

This was a very simple message when theymos explained about giving merits.

And these are the translations (I might bring you more in future) we are seeing through out the forum.

Why the negative feedback? Flodner is a friend of mine, am I not allowed to send him some merit? :/

He is a trusted friend he asked for some merit and I did.

Translation: Award merits to friends

...mostly i gave my merits to who gave me ?

Translation: Award merits who send your merits

Because meriting is not prohibited and everybody are free to distrubute theri¹ merits to everyone without any reason etc.

Translation: Awarding merit need no reasons so keep awarding.

PS: It's a parody post. Merit abusers, please do not use it as a reference ground for your merit abusing activities.

Update:
New translation 1: Award merit to the bounty managers to show your appreciation/like of the project.

¹distributed their

[Sasuke102001]

... And as you brought it up we know each other personally.
If there's a way to show that the accounts are used by diff ip addresses then please tell, I guess that's the best shot I can give.

News at 11... "They're not 'Alt Accounts', we're just friends/family/classmates/co-workers!"

Unfortunately for you, the evidence, while admittedly somewhat circumstantial... shows that all these accounts are "connected". Especially the fact that they were all enrolled in the same bounties and then sent all the tokens to one address.

Additionally, no-one here really buys the "we're different people" excuse... MANY people have tried this... I'm not really aware of any that have actually satisfactorily proved it. As far as using IP addresses to try and prove your case, the only people who can do that will be the admins who have the server records.

Maybe if you had (dated) chat logs showing discussions amongst yourselves to buy/sell/trade the tokens with your "friends" that might help your cause... but I wouldn't get my hopes up.


One last piece of advice... DON'T send Lauda or The Pharmacist unsolicited PM's regarding your negative trust... it'll most probably just make things worse!

Ahh if you didn't see closely we had joined many bounties and and all of that just some 0.003 and 0.184 eth was sent to me and not all bounty tokens. You can check up our eth addresses on etherscan and see how many tokens have we overall received and how many are still lying there.
Ahh there are no pm's saying send me your tokens or so but the pm's can show you that two profiles are not owned by the same people.

[Sasuke102001]

The merit thing, the merit I gave to Adioliver that's my decision and whoever they give it to that's there's. And as you brought it up we know each other personally.
If there's a way to show that the accounts are used by diff ip addresses then please tell, I guess that's the best shot I can give.

News at 11... "They're not 'Alt Accounts', we're just friends/family/classmates/co-workers!"

@HCP: Can you add below with your news... please 

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

This was a very simple message when theymos explained about giving merits.

And these are the translations (I might bring you more in future) we are seeing through out the forum.

Why the negative feedback? Flodner is a friend of mine, am I not allowed to send him some merit? :/

He is a trusted friend he asked for some merit and I did.

Translation: Award merits to friends

...mostly i gave my merits to who gave me ?

Translation: Award merits who send your merits

Because meriting is not prohibited and everybody are free to distrubute theri¹ merits to everyone without any reason etc.

Translation: Awarding merit need no reasons so keep awarding.

PS: It's a parody post. Merit abusers, please do not use it as a reference ground for your merit abusing activities.

Update:
New translation 1: Award merit to the bounty managers to show your appreciation/like of the project.

¹distributed their

Lol I have seen hundreds of people giving merit on bullshit posts😂