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December 07, 2013, 07:57:19 PM
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Recently some large deposits of shale gas have been discovered in my country.
Of course , it has sparked controversy if we should start exploit because of the risks they may pose.

I would like to ask you , since we have members from other countries here:
1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?
2) Would still agree withit  if those drilling will be done close to the community where you leave?

Some arguments would be nice Smiley

Some of the recent news:
http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-protest-romania-against-shale-gas-gold-mine-193831695--finance.html
http://rt.com/news/romania-shale-gas-chevron-652/

Some videos from the scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL5ec0D9i9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_5KNExDAxw


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December 07, 2013, 08:06:40 PM
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I think we should be looking at consistent and renewable alternatives rather than digging for stuff out of the ground that will run out eventually.
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December 07, 2013, 08:09:03 PM
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I would look at studies conducted in next decade or so before going on with it. Also the regulation needs to be sufficient.

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December 08, 2013, 01:41:00 AM
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I think we should be looking at consistent and renewable alternatives rather than digging for stuff out of the ground that will run out eventually.

http://rt.com/usa/texas-fracking-earthquakes-azle-445/
Is this any different from fracking!

Seems like chevron just resumed work ... bigger protest?


Bravo!! on the first protest ... now come back with 10 times that many people!



Where im from people are docile and they sit on the ground and hold hands and get sprayed in the face with mace and then they get hauled away and nothing happens!


If you let them, these companys will rape your homeland of its natural resources!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/26/us-chevron-ecuador-idUSBRE9AP19D20131126
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December 08, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
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Recently some large deposits of shale gas have been discovered in my country.
Of course , it has sparked controversy if we should start exploit because of the risks they may pose.

I would like to ask you , since we have members from other countries here:
1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?
2) Would still agree withit  if those drilling will be done close to the community where you leave?
...

I live in an area with extensive fracking (south texas) and really am not seeing any environmental abuses or questionable practices.  There's been a lot of fear mongering and misinformation.  Hell, we have solar power and windmill fields and fracking all jumbled up together in the field....
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December 08, 2013, 09:11:45 PM
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Recently some large deposits of shale gas have been discovered in my country.
Of course , it has sparked controversy if we should start exploit because of the risks they may pose.

I would like to ask you , since we have members from other countries here:
1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?
2) Would still agree withit  if those drilling will be done close to the community where you leave?
...

I live in an area with extensive fracking (south texas) and really am not seeing any environmental abuses or questionable practices.  There's been a lot of fear mongering and misinformation.  Hell, we have solar power and windmill fields and fracking all jumbled up together in the field....

anecdotal information does not apply to the rest of the population though. i don't know enough about the impact of fracking, but it sure seems like quite a few towns really hate it.
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December 08, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
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Recently some large deposits of shale gas have been discovered in my country.
Of course , it has sparked controversy if we should start exploit because of the risks they may pose.

I would like to ask you , since we have members from other countries here:
1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?
2) Would still agree withit  if those drilling will be done close to the community where you leave?
...

I live in an area with extensive fracking (south texas) and really am not seeing any environmental abuses or questionable practices.  There's been a lot of fear mongering and misinformation.  Hell, we have solar power and windmill fields and fracking all jumbled up together in the field....

anecdotal information does not apply to the rest of the population though. i don't know enough about the impact of fracking, but it sure seems like quite a few towns really hate it.


^^  
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/19/us-usa-earthquakes-fracking-oklahoma-idUSBRE9AI12W20131119

 
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December 09, 2013, 01:01:44 AM
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Recently some large deposits of shale gas have been discovered in my country.
Of course , it has sparked controversy if we should start exploit because of the risks they may pose.

I would like to ask you , since we have members from other countries here:
1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?
2) Would still agree withit  if those drilling will be done close to the community where you leave?
...

I live in an area with extensive fracking (south texas) and really am not seeing any environmental abuses or questionable practices.  There's been a lot of fear mongering and misinformation.  Hell, we have solar power and windmill fields and fracking all jumbled up together in the field....

anecdotal information does not apply to the rest of the population though. i don't know enough about the impact of fracking, but it sure seems like quite a few towns really hate it.
My anecdotal information surely beats information from people who have only read about it and never walked through or driven through these areas.  I'm not talking about anecdotal from a few rigs, by the way.  Think in terms of thousands.  Small towns in these areas found their few hotels booked up solid for years ahead, and found suddenly, large temporary housing fields springing up.  Some are quite ugly resulting in the towns passing ordinances.  For example, no shipping container based housing allowed.

Another example that I'm very familiar with is the Dallas Fort Worth Bartlett Shale natural gas development.  This is where they became able to get to trillions of cubic feet of gas right under the built up urban areas.  Flying over the area, you see basically tan colored gravel or base yards about every 100-200-300 meters as far as the eye can see.  Visually, and from the air, this can be called an eyesore.  From the ground, you don't really hardly notice it, just an occasional drilling rig.

In the US, about the only thing going right economically is the fracking business.  Eagle Ford shale, a field about 75 x 250 miles in size in South Texas,  is putting on over 60,000 workers in 2 years at $80,000 USD each salary or higher.
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December 09, 2013, 01:51:11 AM
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I may have fallen victim to the fear mongering! lol

http://earthfirstjournal.org/newswire/2013/06/04/battle-los-angeles-the-fight-to-stop-urban-fracking/


So there is an issue with pollution regarding fracking? Something about volatile chemicals released into the atmosphere ..

So how does that work. They start fracking in low income areas and a few people get rich and the neighbors get cancer?


Whats the deal with the potential for fracking to contaminate drinking water sources?



Did you know that fracking causes STD's!!   LOOOOOOOOL

 Im not making it up tho ..

http://ecowatch.com/2013/09/24/social-costs-of-fracking-rural-america/

Guess in towns where theres alot fracking going on.. people are reporting they have stds more. ( hehe )

I quote"  

Fracking is associated with more cases of sexually transmitted infections: After fracking, the average increase in chlamydia and gonorrhea cases was 62 percent greater in heavily fracked rural counties than in unfracked rural counties.

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Thats fracked up.. but Oh man i got a good laugh...  Cheesy  



 

 
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December 09, 2013, 02:20:50 AM
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We need really new breakthroughs like nuclear fusion, not the shitty gas that destroys environment in the large scales!
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We need really new breakthroughs like nuclear fusion, not the shitty gas that destroys environment in the large scales!
Hey, that'd be really nice.  Let's bring it on.  Meanwhile...

I've driven around shale gas sites - they are all over the place down here - and I haven't seen any environmental destruction or degradation.

Just saying.
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Fracking is associated with more cases of sexually transmitted infections: After fracking, the average increase in chlamydia and gonorrhea cases was 62 percent greater in heavily fracked rural counties than in unfracked rural counties.

Hey....if it did that in the rural counties....think of what would happen when the fracking virus hits Los Angeles!
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December 09, 2013, 04:19:56 AM
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1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?

No. In my opinion, shale gas exploration leads to irreversible environmental damage.  It is not economically viable either. We should rather invest in eco-friendly initiatives such as bio-diesel and cane-ethanol.

2) Would still agree withit  if those drilling will be done close to the community where you leave?

No. The entire area will become uninhabitable.
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December 09, 2013, 09:02:26 AM
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1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?

In my opinion, shale gas exploration leads to irreversible environmental damage.  It is not economically viable either. We should rather invest in eco-friendly initiatives such as bio-diesel and cane-ethanol.
Agreed on the 1st and 2nd sentence, but biodiesel and ethanol haven't been eco-friendly, because some devastate rain forest to obtain the raw materials for those fuels

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December 09, 2013, 10:08:23 AM
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Quote from: bryant.coleman
1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?

In my opinion, shale gas exploration leads to irreversible environmental damage.  It is not economically viable either. We should rather invest in eco-friendly initiatives such as bio-diesel and cane-ethanol.
Agreed on the 1st and 2nd sentence, but biodiesel and ethanol haven't been eco-friendly, because some devastate rain forest to obtain the raw materials for those fuels

You're right, when people use 'eco-friendly' etc. they have no idea what that actually means which is why the Toyata Prius is still being sold, I do like cane and bio-diesel because of them being renewable though the problem is going to be finding the space and keeping the cost down, there's actually a company that I looked up and I've forgotten the name now but it's currently harvesting cane sugar for fuel and it's in profit right now so it is possible, it just requires good management.

You also don't want to screw a lot of Africans out of there land as well like a lot of the oil companies have been caught doing, so environmentalists definitely want to think twice before acting self-righteous about that sort of thing if they haven't done proper research into it Cheesy.
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December 09, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
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Agreed on the 1st and 2nd sentence, but biodiesel and ethanol haven't been eco-friendly, because some devastate rain forest to obtain the raw materials for those fuels

Even in a densely populated nation like India, 20% of the agricultural land is being kept fallow due to the lack of resources. These wastelands can be used to grow bio-fuels. Cutting down rainforest to plant sugarcane is insanity at its peak.
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December 09, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
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No. The entire area will become uninhabitable.

So...the entire Dallas Fort Worth metroplex will become unihabitable?

LOL...I guess that'd fall into the category of "claim" that would require some proof.

Does not sound credible.
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December 09, 2013, 06:12:56 PM
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1) Do you agree with shale gas exploration in general?

No. In my opinion, shale gas exploration leads to irreversible environmental damage.  It is not economically viable either. We should rather invest in eco-friendly initiatives such as bio-diesel and cane-ethanol.

2) Would still agree withit  if those drilling will be done close to the community where you leave?

No. The entire area will become uninhabitable.

Bio diesel / ethanol have a much more devastating impact on the environment that fracking:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=244663902&sc=tw&cc=share

CORYDON, Iowa (AP) — The hills of southern Iowa bear the scars of America's push for green energy: The brown gashes where rain has washed away the soil. The polluted streams that dump fertilizer into the water supply.

Even the cemetery that disappeared like an apparition into a cornfield.

It wasn't supposed to be this way.

With the Iowa political caucuses on the horizon in 2007, presidential candidate Barack Obama made homegrown corn a centerpiece of his plan to slow global warming. And when President George W. Bush signed a law that year requiring oil companies to add billions of gallons of ethanol to their gasoline each year, Bush predicted it would make the country "stronger, cleaner and more secure."

But the ethanol era has proven far more damaging to the environment than politicians promised and much worse than the government admits today.

As farmers rushed to find new places to plant corn, they wiped out millions of acres of conservation land, destroyed habitat and polluted water supplies, an Associated Press investigation found.

Five million acres of land set aside for conservation — more than Yellowstone, Everglades and Yosemite National Parks combined — have vanished on Obama's watch.


Wind energy kills 100 000 of birds each year. So much so pres obama signed a pass on killing bold eagles for the next 30 years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-gives-wind-farms-pass-on-killing-eagles/

The Obama administration said Friday it will allow some companies to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty, an effort to spur development and investment in green energy while balancing its environmental consequences.

The change, requested by the wind energy industry, will provide legal protection for the lifespan of wind farms and other projects for which companies obtain a permit and make efforts to avoid killing the birds.

An investigation by The Associated Press earlier this year documented the illegal killing of eagles around wind farms, the Obama administration’s reluctance to prosecute such cases and its willingness to help keep the scope of the eagle deaths secret. The White House has championed wind power, a pollution-free energy intended to ease global warming, as a cornerstone of President Barack Obama’s energy plan.

What is the official position of the EPA regarding the risk of fracking and pollution? (hint: not a scientific position, but a political position)

http://rt.com/usa/epa-fracking-study-water-pollution-073/

The US Environmental Protection Agency has dropped its plans to further investigate whether or not fracking led to the contamination of a Wyoming aquifer, and the agency no longer plans to write a report on the matter.

The EPA in 2011 released a draft report, which revealed that hydraulic fracturing fluids used at a shale gas drilling site had likely contaminated groundwater in Pavillion, Wyoming. Oil and gas companies have long argued that fracking poses no water contamination risks, but the EPA’s results demonstrated otherwise.

Critics of the findings, including Wyoming state officials and drilling advocates, argued that the EPA conducted a poor and inaccurate study, which could ultimately harm the industry. Despite the initial wave of criticism in 2011, EPA officials planned to resume the study and continue making assessments regarding the influence of fracking on groundwater. But the EPA on Thursday abandoned those plans, announcing that state officials will instead take over the investigation into Pavillion’s water pollution and draw up a conclusion in 2014.

http://www.psmag.com/environment/has-the-epa-given-up-on-fracking-63672/

When the Environmental Protection Agency abruptly retreated on its multimillion-dollar investigation into water contamination in a central Wyoming natural gas field last month, it shocked environmentalists and energy industry supporters alike.
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December 09, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
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Another impact of "green energy" on Mother Nature? Gigantic solar panels migrating birds believe to be water from above then try to land on them.
http://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/are-big-desert-solar-farms-killing-birds

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/12/Oops-Solar-Energy-Plants-are-Killing-Rare-birds

Some animal rights activists are wondering just how many birds green energy may unintentionally kill as more and more birds turn up dead at solar energy facilities throughout California.
A recent article by Vice author Lex Berko notes that dead birds are being found with "singed wings" around several California solar energy facilities.
It happens that many of California's solar plants are, the article claims, in the path of "the four major north-to-south trajectories for migratory birds" called "the Pacific Flyway."
Birds are dying in one of two ways. In some cases, they imagine the shining solar panels to be bodies of water and dive straight into them. There they die when they smash into the panels from the sky.
Others "feel the wrath of the harnessed sunlight." The ultra polished solar mirrors bounce sunrays strong enough to burn the feathers off birds that quickly crash to the ground, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Many of the fowl dying as a result of their unfortunate flight paths over solar facilities are birds protected by the federal government under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
Eric Davis of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service recently told a reporter from The Desert Sun that the feds are "waiting" for more information about these bird deaths.
"Bird migration studies have to wait for bird migrations," Davis said. "It's not like we're going to have the answers in two weeks. This is going to be months and years of trying to better understand the problem and then make better management decisions as we gain more scientific understanding."
There are also thousands of birds killed by wind turbine farms throughout the country. This means that untold numbers of birds, some of them protected species, are being killed by green energy.
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December 09, 2013, 07:01:19 PM
Last edit: December 10, 2013, 10:14:03 PM by Johnny Bitcoinseed
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It's a sign that the low hanging, easy to get fruit has been taken.  Otherwise wouldn't be resorting to shale.

It's like the difference between hard rock mining and picking fat juicy gold nuggets off the surface of the ground.  The big oil gushers of oil discovery are gone.  Now they are squeezing the last drops wherever they can find it.

Starting to dredge the bottom of the barrel in terms of resources - not as cost effective and takes more energy to produce each unit of energy.

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