Monarch

[klondike_bar]

I'm pretty sure they taped out some time ago.  I think the last I heard was February delivery.  But you know how that goes! 

february would be lucky. They will probably ship around the same time as the similarly-priced 2TH cointerra and the 2x as expensive KNC neptune

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[spooderman]

KNC are attractive, but also the Swiss company Bitmine. KNC are cheaper per GH, but a much more expensive unit overall. Arghhhhhh what to buy. The Monarchs are gonna be useless by the time they arrive because all the other companies are dealing with THs now.

[spooderman]

I'm not sure I trust black arrow. How do you all feel?

[Bogart]

You might also look at the BitMain's AntMiner S1 product.  It's a 55nm 180GH/s miner for 4.25 BTC, and they're available right now rather than sometime in the future.

I just received one yesterday and I'm pretty happy with it so far.

[Bicknellski]

I'm not sure I trust black arrow. How do you all feel?

I trust their chips will be on time and well above spec.

[PuertoLibre]

While they haven't shared details of the foundry process, they apparently get the chips back in 4 weeks.  So the 15 week minimum thing is old news now.

Even though BFL is known for delays it's quite likely this will also happen to their competitors.  Look at Hashfast for example.

Bullshit.

Post your references that makes you believe it is 4 weeks, otherwise I call Bullshit/False hope.

There isn't a single manufacturer out there who can have their chips pop out of the factory in 4 weeks. Especially at 28nm.

[jayeeyee]

Why would anyone consider ordering from BFL is beyond my comprehension. By the time they release the Monarch, it will generate absolutely NO ROI and will basically mine the same amount of BTC as a 50-60gh/s in today's difficulty (in a nutshell estimate). Learn from others mistake and read up on the infamous reputation BFL carries.  Even if BFL has the Monarch in-stock and ready to ship, I don't see how it makes sense to pay over $4000 for a 600gh/s unit when you can get (for example) a 2TH unit for $6000 or a 20nm 3TH unit for $13k (might be a bit overpriced - but still better $ to hashrate ratio compared to BFL)

[lumpycustard]

Bullshit.

Post your references that makes you believe it is 4 weeks, otherwise I call Bullshit/False hope.

There isn't a single manufacturer out there who can have their chips pop out of the factory in 4 weeks. Especially at 28nm.

Right there in the monarch information thread:  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html

If they haven't taped out then I would certainly agree with you.  But I'm not sure why you would assume this hasn't happened.

[Roy Badami]

Right.  Josh writes in that thread:

Last week, we met with the foundry to go over details of the delay and reach a definitive conclusion. According to the foundry, we should have the first chips on January 9th (still determining specific quantity), but we will be taking delivery of more wafers every week after that, so it really shouldn't affect anything as far as wafer availability goes, regardless of how many come on the 9th.

I don't think anyone is claiming 4 weeks from tapeout to wafer.  Simply that BFL claim they will have wafers on 9th January (i.e. approximately four weeks from now...)

Clearly they must have already taped out for that claim to be credible.

[Syke]

I don't think anyone is claiming 4 weeks from tapeout to wafer.  Simply that BFL claim they will have wafers on 9th January (i.e. approximately four weeks from now...)

Clearly they must have already taped out for that claim to be credible.

Josh has zero credibility, so it's quite possible they have not taped-out.

[Xian01]

Bullshit.
Post your references that makes you believe it is 4 weeks, otherwise I call Bullshit/False hope.
There isn't a single manufacturer out there who can have their chips pop out of the factory in 4 weeks. Especially at 28nm.

Right there in the monarch information thread:  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html
If they haven't taped out then I would certainly agree with you.  But I'm not sure why you would assume this hasn't happened.

 Not sure if trolling or drank the Kool-Aid...

 *mumbles something about history lessons*

[PuertoLibre]

Bullshit.
Post your references that makes you believe it is 4 weeks, otherwise I call Bullshit/False hope.
There isn't a single manufacturer out there who can have their chips pop out of the factory in 4 weeks. Especially at 28nm.

Right there in the monarch information thread:  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html
If they haven't taped out then I would certainly agree with you.  But I'm not sure why you would assume this hasn't happened.

 Not sure if trolling or drank the Kool-Aid...

 *mumbles something about history lessons*

Not to mention BFL's seemingly fictitious bullet runs.

They started the bullet runs before October 2012 and didn't get their first -->sample<-- prototype until April 2013.

If they haven't explicitly stated when they started a tape out then, no one should assume it has already happened.

January 9th is the same as people being told in Early November of 2012 that they would be getting their first batch just a few days away. This isn't incompetence, it's just plain lying.

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On the BFL fucked us thread I pointed out that they haven't even shown any photo's of the prototype boards containing any real traces on the board.

They showed a red prototype 1 board. It was basically a board with positioned components. Probably a very early component placement test.
Then they showed a blue prototype 2 board. Missing power connectors and barely any traces along with various components swapped out and repositioned. Probably a test board for heating the components to simulate tolerances for the various components.

Again, it didn't take a genius to figure out they aren't even done with the Monarch PCB. For a rep to come out and say they have a "small" delay is total baloney. Back in November the prototype 2 board was barely even done. There never was any hope for November or December. Maybe no hope for January or even February.

Yet somehow they still post as if they just "needed the chips" and they are good to go. LMAO. Hardly.

Anyone with two eyes and a brain could see this. Luckily those who ordered Monarch are missing at least one of two components. Good for them...

[nate008]

Bullshit.

Post your references that makes you believe it is 4 weeks, otherwise I call Bullshit/False hope.

There isn't a single manufacturer out there who can have their chips pop out of the factory in 4 weeks. Especially at 28nm.

Right there in the monarch information thread:  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html

If they haven't taped out then I would certainly agree with you.  But I'm not sure why you would assume this hasn't happened.

Wait , you trust an announcement made by BFL , and you are still sane enough to type on this forum?
Something doesn't add up.
BFL won't ship till the 1 of April , and that's no prank  , it;s custom practice.

[Roy Badami]

Not to mention BFL's seemingly fictitious bullet runs.

They started the bullet runs before October 2012 and didn't get their first -->sample<-- prototype until April 2013.

I always assumed this was because the chips from the first run didn't work, and they had to do a respin but chose not to go public about it.

January 9th is the same as people being told in Early November of 2012 that they would be getting their first batch just a few days away. This isn't incompetence, it's just plain lying.

I see no reason to disbelieve that they expect to receive some chips on 9th January.  Whether those chips will work, or need some modifications and another run is another matter.  But that's just the nature of chip design - these things don't always work first time.  And from what I've read pretty much all the Bitcoin ASIC vendors are producing their chips on compressed timescales which are quite aggressive by industry standards, so I would imagine that  increases the risk of failure.

So yes, it probably is the same as November 2012 in that no one knows yet whether they will be lucky and get it right first time.  But I think that applies to every ASIC vendor who doesn't yet have sample chips in hand.

roy

[nate008]

Not to mention BFL's seemingly fictitious bullet runs.

They started the bullet runs before October 2012 and didn't get their first -->sample<-- prototype until April 2013.

I always assumed this was because the chips from the first run didn't work, and they had to do a respin but chose not to go public about it.

January 9th is the same as people being told in Early November of 2012 that they would be getting their first batch just a few days away. This isn't incompetence, it's just plain lying.

I see no reason to disbelieve that they expect to receive some chips on 9th January.  Whether those chips will work, or need some modifications and another run is another matter.  But that's just the nature of chip design - these things don't always work first time.  And from what I've read pretty much all the Bitcoin ASIC vendors are producing their chips on compressed timescales which are quite aggressive by industry standards, so I would imagine that  increases the risk of failure.

So yes, it probably is the same as November 2012 in that no one knows yet whether they will be lucky and get it right first time.  But I think that applies to every ASIC vendor who doesn't yet have sample chips in hand.

roy

They will receive the chips, they will make the cards , they will mine with them...
After 6 months , they will start shipping 1 or per day.Those that have started to get low hashrates.