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December 10, 2013, 08:59:32 PM
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Bakåtsträvande myndigheter i vanlig ordning:
http://www.gp.se/ekonomi/1.2205086-virtuella-pengar-far-kritik
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December 10, 2013, 09:21:15 PM
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Bakåtsträvande myndigheter i vanlig ordning:
http://www.gp.se/ekonomi/1.2205086-virtuella-pengar-far-kritik

I would recommend anyone to dismiss, or take with a grain of salt the critique from the establishment. Truth is that bitcoins have some risks, and any user should educate himself regarding those risks, and a portfolio where you put your assets in different instruments are always advised. However, remember that the Internet itself was a receiver of harsh critisim when it first arose, and so was many other technologies that changed the world. People in general don't believe anything can happen, untill it actually has happened. Visionaries are the ones leading the revolution.
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December 11, 2013, 06:13:29 AM
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Very true words!
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December 23, 2013, 01:27:23 PM
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Så du tycker att myndigheter är "bakåtsträvande" för att de oroar sig över den nuvarande volatiliteten som kryptovalutor utgör, och för att de bevakar den i syfte att se ifall den utgör ett hot mot vår ekonomi?

Jag hoppas du förstår själv hur idiotiskt det låter att inte tillåta vår regering att vilja träda försiktigt fram. Det fanns inga som helst uttalanden i denna artikel som inte var sunda.

Cryptocurrencies is the future. The cat is out of the bag. The only smart thing to do is to work with it, not to put obstacles in its way.

Every individual can chose what they want to use. If a user is educated about the risks, and he should if he chose to become involved, then I see absolutely nothing wrong being involved.

The state has their motives for acting the way they do. This cannot be denied.
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December 23, 2013, 02:05:49 PM
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It's a new technology and financial model, and it's absolutely justified to be sceptic about everything that is new when the consequences could potentially be dire.

Of course. The rest of your post was a lot of gibberish. Being skeptical is a good thing. People said Internet would fail when it came as well.

It's still early times for bitcoin. Arguments that are for, and that are against, it's all valuable.

However, if you looked at the statements from the tax-department and the financial supervisor authority, you will clearly see that they do not understand the technology at play here, as they're very negative towards it, and focus on all the negative aspects. This is called propaganda, and when delivered from a state, it's called state propaganda. The only purpose with being so negative is to stunt growth and scare people from using bitcoin.

A progressive and smart country would've looked at the technology, acknowledged it's strength, and at the same time being aware of its weaknesses. Then informing about it in a rational and educated manner, and helping any businesses that wants to be involved.

You should drop your hostile attitude, and rather discuss in a calm and civilized manner. There will be nothing constructive coming out of a flame war or shouting at each other.

There are positives, and there are negatives about bitcoin, but the state are only talking about the negatives. It is not to be expected that the govt would say let us throw away the local currency and switch it for btc, and rightfully anyone involved should be aware of the risks.

However, how about the govt. talking about skiing in the woods, and then mentioning all the accidents that have taken place when people get lost in fog, freeze to death or are taken by avalanches? If they wanted to, they could make it sound like it is very dangerous to go skiing in the woods and the mountains, and it should rather be avoided.

Also mentioning that someone lost a lot of bitcoins from their local wallet, and using that as an argument pointing to the fact that you could  lose your bitcoins are pretty far fetched. Being vigilant, alert and securing your valuables is important no matter what you do. Bitcoin is no different. If they were genuinely concerned about people, they would not only let people know about the worst case scenarios, some would call it FUD, but also educate consumers about how to better protect them selves when they chose to become involved.

And there's no problems with bitcoin existing alongside the existing financial system, it already does. Oil will run out in norway, and the oil fund will not last forever. If we wanted to, we could be a strong nation embracing bitcoin, and actually get ahead of other countries.

Like the internet changed the world, bitcoin or another variant of a crypto currency will change how we do finances. You can call it wishful thinking if you want, you could call me delusional, or any other words you want to come up with, but the fact is that if you look at history, a lot of the inventions that have changed the world, and made life simpler for people met severe resistance in the beginning. This is only natural, as for most people, it is unthinkable to imagine that something that does not currently exist or rule will do so at any point in the future.

The problem is not being cautious or careful, but being downright negative and serving FUD. That's what tabloid media does. From a government a lot more should be expected.
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December 23, 2013, 07:38:24 PM
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...snip...
Grow the hell up.
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I read to the part above. At that point I realized there's no point in discussing anything with you at all.

It seems like you do not grasp the concept of discussing in a polite, civilized and intelligent manner. If you did, you would be part of a forum of debate where arguments and counter-arguments can be discussed among adults.

If you do not show any respect to the people you discuss with, you jump to conclusions and in general does  not ask the counterparty to elaborate if a point is unclear, but rather goes for silly attacks, then there's no discussion, but just shouting.

Namecalling and being condescending will lead you nowhere. If you do not see what I'm referring to, see the quoted part above.

Now, if you'd in a calm, polite and intelligent manner pointed out what you think I was doing wrong, or what was wrong about my arguments or my viewpoints, then we'd have a discussion. And perhaps we'd both learn a thing or two.

Remember that a forum post can be tongue-in-cheek, it can be trolling, it can be polarizing, it can be humorous, and anything else. If I were you, I would not read too much into a single post.

For instance, I might be leaning to the fact that you have anger issues. Or that you lack social antennas. But going down that road, where would that lead us? Exactly so - absolutely nowhere.

What's interesting to discuss is bitcoin, and in this thread it was about bitcoin receiving criticism. Which is perfectly fine. And something anybody should be able to discuss, even the pro-bitcoiners. It's not like an intelligent pro-bitcoiner only want to hear the positive about bitcoin.

You could try again if you want to continue the discussion, but then you should phrase yourself with respect towards your discussion partners, and use a polite and civilized language which would aid in constructive debate, and not dirt-throwing.

If you do not like my arguments, then argue against them, judging and being condescending against my person is not very constructive.
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December 23, 2013, 08:09:10 PM
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Ok let's have a really sensitive and sugarcoated discussion so you can feel good inside.

That's how far I read.

You're now on my ignore list. Merry Christmas, and best wishes for a good 2014.



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December 23, 2013, 09:22:15 PM
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i love the interwebz  Grin

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December 23, 2013, 09:36:54 PM
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i love the interwebz  Grin

them tubez are everywhere!  Grin
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December 25, 2013, 01:53:11 AM
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fittan lives up to his/hers nick. fitta = cunt, fittan = the cunt. Or am I mistaken?

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December 25, 2013, 03:05:39 PM
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Telling people who differ from your own personal(and probably biased) opinion to grow is as far from rational as it gets. I don't agree with everything I've read ITT, but I don't think they have to mature any further for that reason. You were acting like a real cunt man. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

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January 03, 2014, 05:29:02 AM
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Den mest intressanta informationen jag extraherade från den artikeln är att det finns 2 restauranger i Göteborg där man kan handla med Bitcoin.

Coolt!

Finns det några i Stockholm ännu?
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January 04, 2014, 05:08:08 PM
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Telling people who differ from your own personal(and probably biased) opinion to grow is as far from rational as it gets. I don't agree with everything I've read ITT, but I don't think they have to mature any further for that reason. You were acting like a real cunt man. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
I have no problem with people whos opinions differ from mine. What I do have a problem with is when individuals show no signs of being able to apply logic and reason to their arguments, and instead look to their internal emotions as justification for pulling stupid and erroneous assumptions out of their asses.

It is very strange to me that people are finding my profanities (which were quite justified in my opinion) to be a far greater crime than the utter and complete idiocy that the topic creator's original post inherently represents.

I get angry at people who don't care about researching facts simply because they want to use BitCoin as a vessel for self-aggrandizing imaginary revolutions against the government, instead of actually making a legitimate contribution, yes. Sue me.

Excellent post, i even like your nick.  Tongue

Some people considder BTC/cryptos as religion, and any objection as heresy. But anything that is supposed to work in the real world™, need to be able to withstand real world™ critizism.

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