System of nMerit

[nev1d]

I wish I could give negative merit.

This message made me think about the fact that in addition to the current system of sMerit, there was also a system of negative merit.

What is nMerit?
If we do not go into more details, this is a system of lowering the Merit to one or another person for multiple violations, something like -Trust, but having significant differences, which I will discuss below.

Features of nMerit
1. Send it will be able to only people with the rank Hero and Legendary
2. After sending the nMerit, he will be sent for moderation.
3. The only exception, in which sending to the moderation is not required - is the simultaneous sending of 5 nMerits to 1 post.
4. After he passes the moderation, the amount of Merit in a person, to whom he was sent, will decrease by an amount equal to the amount nMerit
5. The disappeared Merit will be altered into a sMerit for the person who sent them.

You will say: "But there will be people who are specially grouped in order to take away a measure from a certain person" and you will be right, that's why the amount of merit will depend on:
1. For the help of a moderator or administrator - from 1 to 5 nMerit
2. For the creation of 10 posts, which collected 5 Merits - 5nMerit
3. For every 100 collected Merits - 10nMerits

The system requires considerable improvement, but I tried to convey to you the idea of how this can be realized. It will be interesting to discuss this below

[mdayonliner]

I wish I could give negative merit.

This message made me think about the fact that in addition to the current system of sMerit, there was also a system of negative merit.

What is nMerit?
If we do not go into more details, this is a system of lowering the Merit to one or another person for multiple violations, something like -Trust, but having significant differences, which I will discuss below.

Features of nMerit
1. Send it will be able to only people with the rank Hero and Legendary
2. After sending the nMerit, he will be sent for moderation.
3. The only exception, in which sending to the moderation is not required - is the simultaneous sending of 5 nMerits to 1 post.
4. After he passes the moderation, the amount of Merit in a person, to whom he was sent, will decrease by an amount equal to the amount nMerit
5. The disappeared Merit will be altered into a sMerit for the person who sent them.

You will say: "But there will be people who are specially grouped in order to take away a measure from a certain person" and you will be right, that's why the amount of merit will depend on:
1. For the help of a moderator or administrator - from 1 to 5 nMerit
2. For the creation of 10 posts, which collected 5 Merits - 5nMerit
3. For every 100 collected Merits - 10nMerits

The system requires considerable improvement, but I tried to convey to you the idea of how this can be realized. It will be interesting to discuss this below

Why not just use "report to the moderator" link for posts.
Trust system is still there to aware the community for any violation.

And seems like you are trying to give more work for the moderators.

[nev1d]

I wish I could give negative merit.

This message made me think about the fact that in addition to the current system of sMerit, there was also a system of negative merit.

What is nMerit?
If we do not go into more details, this is a system of lowering the Merit to one or another person for multiple violations, something like -Trust, but having significant differences, which I will discuss below.

Features of nMerit
1. Send it will be able to only people with the rank Hero and Legendary
2. After sending the nMerit, he will be sent for moderation.
3. The only exception, in which sending to the moderation is not required - is the simultaneous sending of 5 nMerits to 1 post.
4. After he passes the moderation, the amount of Merit in a person, to whom he was sent, will decrease by an amount equal to the amount nMerit
5. The disappeared Merit will be altered into a sMerit for the person who sent them.

You will say: "But there will be people who are specially grouped in order to take away a measure from a certain person" and you will be right, that's why the amount of merit will depend on:
1. For the help of a moderator or administrator - from 1 to 5 nMerit
2. For the creation of 10 posts, which collected 5 Merits - 5nMerit
3. For every 100 collected Merits - 10nMerits

The system requires considerable improvement, but I tried to convey to you the idea of how this can be realized. It will be interesting to discuss this below

Why not just use "report to the moderator" link for posts.
Trust system is still there to aware the community for any violation.

And seems like you are trying to give more work for the moderators.

Merit remains stagnant, in which case he can be divided into other people who really deserve it, perhaps this is the main goal of the nMerit

[athanz88]

Even though i like the idea on how to mark a bad post, i dont like the idea of negative merit. It would be easier if its just a dislike system, without a weight, but people can see all the person who dislikes it. Simple but if someone who is unbiased and smart dislike the post then we know that post is not that good.

[nev1d]

Even though i like the idea on how to mark a bad post, i dont like the idea of negative merit. It would be easier if its just a dislike system, without a weight, but people can see all the person who dislikes it. Simple but if someone who is unbiased and smart dislike the post then we know that post is not that good.

Since the creators of the forum started a chip with a Merit, then need to continue it somehow. They can not just do it and leave it, they have to modernize it. And this is one of the options

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Why not just use "report to the moderator" link for posts.

Right here ^^.  I don't think at this point we need any tweaks to the merit system, and what OP is suggesting is kind of a demerit system, which has been discussed before.  If a post is so bad that you think it deserves a demerit, you really should report it to the mods--and leave the merit system to slowly work its magic.  The only thing a demerit system would do is increase the number of threads in Meta by people bitching about how they lost merits.  There are already way too many topics about 1) How the system is flawed, 2) How to improve the system, 3) "I'm not earning any merits!", and 4) [Miscellaneous merit gripe].

Initially I would have supported something like a nMerit add-on, but I don't now.  I think it's unnecessary would add complexity where it isn't needed--and more work for the mods, probably.

[actmyname]

Since the creators of the forum started a chip with a Merit, then need to continue it somehow. They can not just do it and leave it, they have to modernize it. And this is one of the options

Negative merit is prone to abuse. You either have to allow that abuse to occur or appoint more administrative actions towards it, which increases the already-high workload of moderators.

And at that point, you're making it subjective based on the moderator's perspective which has generally not been the case with rules (i.e. ponzis, scams, trust abuse, etc)Plus, you may get some wonkiness with users ranking up/down sporadically.

[nev1d]

Since the creators of the forum started a chip with a Merit, then need to continue it somehow. They can not just do it and leave it, they have to modernize it. And this is one of the options

Negative merit is prone to abuse. You either have to allow that abuse to occur or appoint more administrative actions towards it, which increases the already-high workload of moderators.

And at that point, you're making it subjective based on the moderator's perspective which has generally not been the case with rules (i.e. ponzis, scams, trust abuse, etc)Plus, you may get some wonkiness with users ranking up/down sporadically.

Undoubtedly, the system is working on improvements, but I repeat once again that the main idea is to take the Merit from people who simply do not deserve it, who got it when they just entered the system or simply by forbidden methods

[Sova_tmb]

I think both of them are good to invest. Eth and bth will get a great profit on long hold.

[athanz88]

I think both of them are good to invest. Eth and bth will get a great profit on long hold.

Wow, really? Is this kind of sarcasm, or idiotic act, or bot in work? I dont know why but some people really do a great amusement nowadays.

[mdayonliner]

I think both of them are good to invest. Eth and bth will get a great profit on long hold.

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Hold!!! Where were these ETH and BTH?
I know exactly what happened. The mighty signature campaign LOL

What is a BTH by the way? Never heard of it  

[nev1d]

I think both of them are good to invest. Eth and bth will get a great profit on long hold.

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Hold!!! Where were these ETH and BTH?
I know exactly what happened. The mighty signature campaign LOL

What is a BTH by the way? Never heard of it  

It's an analog of the etherium, it's shameful not to know, I have invested in it since 2002, and have already made x0.2

[Tyrantt]

There's no need for nMerit, imo. That's the same thing with facebooks Like system, if you don't like it, then don't like it. So if the post is bad and doesn't deserve merit, then don't merit. But if it;s a spam then report it.

[meandmrjones]

nMerit is unnecessary. The forum will always be better with positive vibes.

We do not need that kind of negativity in the world. Yes, I meant world. The world already has enough hate and negativity, we need to work on diminishing that as much as possible. We have to spread love, not hate. This forum is considerably small compared with countries and big communities, but this is where we should start. We should start spreading love at the very nuclear, so that it can be spread at the very plenary.

Have you seen a "dislike" button on facebook, or a "least-liked" button on twitter? No, right?
Why do you think the developers never added them? In fact, this question has been asked to Mark Zuckerberg, CEO and coFounder of Facebook.
The facebook team stated that "the worry with a dislike button is that it would be used to bully or upset people, downvoting their posts as a way of being cruel to the people."
Instead of dislike buttons, they added like buttons with different emoji's (representing different emotions) such as anger, misery, overjoy, etc. And that's actually really sensible, as human's don't think in binary 0 and 1's. Instead of only like and dislike, they react with complex emotions towards many of events.

So no, there's no need for a negative merit, but if it's mandatory, expository merits can be a good idea. Imagine if you could merit and at the same time comment saying "Creative!", "Informative!", "Funny!", "Shows depth of knowledge!", etc.    


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There's no need for nMerit, imo. That's the same thing with facebooks Like system, if you don't like it, then don't like it. So if the post is bad and doesn't deserve merit, then don't merit. But if it;s a spam then report it.

Exactly my point. We wrote at the same time  Facebook's like system is a great example for this.

[coinlocket$]

Features of nMerit
1. Send it will be able to only people with the rank Hero and Legendary
2. After sending the nMerit, he will be sent for moderation.

This is a bad idea, imagine one red trust Troll hero+ ( a lot of the are red trusted) what he can do...
Report all day for no reason and create moderation for fun.

If your rule was " only green trust hero+ can report", your overall idea was a lot better (but we don't need the "demerit" system) (imho)

[Vannie12]

what OP is suggesting is kind of a demerit system, which has been discussed before.

Initially I would have supported something like a nMerit add-on, but I don't now.  I think it's unnecessary would add complexity where it isn't needed--and more work for the mods, probably.

Negative merit is prone to abuse. You either have to allow that abuse to occur or appoint more administrative actions towards it, which increases the already-high workload of moderators.

I definitely agree to their point.

First of all demerit was being proposed before and yes many have thought about it.
I personally think that demerit will be useful for the users who have alt accounts especially those who are giving beyond 5 merits but as actmyname said it is prone to abuse specially involving users with alts that commonly argue about moderators and merit sources go not being fair.
Demerit is like just leaving a negative feedback if they do not like someone made simpler.  

[Emilyearl]

If this is introduced and adopted, it will bring to the end of this forum. Reasons being many users will abuse it and give nMerit based on their emotions or hatred for the second person. I feel it shouldn't be applied to the forum to maintain the little peace we have right no.

[sham100899]

nMerit is not an option, why? because just in sMerit there are many abusers, so abusers will use this nMerit to abuse. Just think of sMerit as an upvote, do it need to have a downvote? I don't think so.

And nMerit is not the opposite of sMerit, because sMerit stands for sendable merit, so if you don't like the post then don't send, so there's no need for nMerit, there is a negative trust, no need for negative merit.

[Steamtyme]

We should totally implement Nmerit.

Then we can see if the threads about how they didn't deserve Nmerit, can outnumber the "Merit system unfair to my newbie signature campaign" threads.

[JohnJarvis99]

This is new system of bitcointalk? Have any announcement about this?