Coindesk - China might have just killed BTC there.

[Anotheranonlol]

yesterdays rumours was forecast for some time;

You can read "中国P2P借贷服务行业白皮书(2013)"  (lending services whitepaper) where details are given

news source:

First Financial is part of the new Center for Financial Research Institute of First Financial, founded in October 2012 in Beijing, working on financial reform and innovation, the rise and development of emerging financial sector. Internet banking is one of the main directions of research, but also the "Internet banking book" The main positioning. In this area, the new Center for Financial Research CBN will be launched P2P, all chips, mobile payments research reports, bitcoins, financial vertical search, online communities finance, asset online trading, as well as to explore the Internet and other aspects of financial regulation

It is scientific and logical to sum up experiences, find problems and develop proper regulatory measures when an industry has grown to an economy of a certain scale

http://english.creditease.cn/pressroom/PressRelease/2013/0719/84.html

A quoute from Li Jun at China Internet Financial Forum, october 2013

"On November to December this year, we will release five new topics, the first one is the theory and practice of Internet financial framework, and the second is to raise the public's White Paper, the data also do a final check. The third is Bitcoin - open trials currency."

Existing laws and regulations for virtual currency is not yet fully applicable to bitcoin, they are in a grey area, it was talked about before with few high profile recommending. very much the same boat we were previously/currently in with fincen guidance, sec/cftc oversight with these governmental bodies trying to wrap their heads around who regulates what in crypto currency space, what box to put it in. First notice was due and after recent big reports of big losses in bitcoin (fraudulent securities, exchange thefts, hacks) both domestic and overseas would push them to offer notice about high risk investment.

http://english.caixin.com/2013-07-04/100551435.html local police give out standard issue like this too

Guangzhou Police advise how to prevent the use of "Bitcoin" The new fraud --- http://www.gdga.gov.cn/jwzx/gdjx/gzsj/201312/t20131217_693891.html
Jiangsu Public Security Police Tips Wary of using the "Bitcoin" for fraud http://www.jsga.gov.cn/www/jsga/2010/jfts-mb_a391311259399.htm
Ningbo public security network Wary of using the "Bitcoin" new scams http://www.gongan.ningbo.gov.cn/jwpd/dtxx.jsp?aid=59072
Wary of using the "Bitcoin" for fraud Taizhou City Public Security Bureau

'on the online game virtual currency transaction management notice' This is not Qcoin, t's decentralised all will be advised of that, can shutter exchanges, block international and third party processors at gfw, cut off 3rd party payment processors, but OTC & p2p marketplaces will spring up and will be driven underground- unregulated this is the shadow economy.. there will always be a demand for a store of value and means of getting rmb out of country, now exchanges they have direct to bank and requiring documentation not at all unlike AML KYC, everyone knows this is exciting new development and truly international monetary system without borders introduce artifiial scarcity will be bad mode.. and you can only slow things, stunt the speculators who have caused such big rise recently with 0% trade but not kill once the cat is out of the bag

todays announcement from OKCoin,backs up same sentiment

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/cea0aaccjw1ebmp8v0sctj20c81e9tey.jpg

some excerpts from it;

Today, the Central Bank provided there is no doubt that this crazy splashed with cold water, as a trading platform, OKCoin think this madness will end up ruining the industry and 0% fee significantly reduces transaction costs, facilitates such speculation.

OKCoin want to tie in with the Central Bank, bitcoin healthier development, charging very low fees, high cost of speculation, let coins down to reasonable. We will charge fees to all coins and the community, and support the research and development of safer bitcoin wallet.

We love beautiful mathematical design bitcoin, bitcoins lofty ideals of faith, care of this social experiment is our bounden duty"

who would you guess recently propose the idea of tying in exclusively to central bank, mandatory fees, and safer wallets..and for what reasons  

insiders speculate that the central bank has asked banks and CUP (China UnionPay) bitcoin trading **platform shall provide prepaid services**, so that led to a number of third-party trading platform stop recharging services

source: (第一财经) First Financial

ps there is new cny exchange launched by ex fb & goldman sachs https://www.bihang.com/market/

also for more forecast on p2p lending

https://doc.research-and-analytics.csfb.com/docView?language=ENG&source=emfromsendlink&format=PDF&document_id=1010517251&extdocid=1010517251_1_eng_pdf&serialid=VLRQ4TgNxWzk%2FTvHinuua6Xm4ULQYuKKG73B%2FntsRZo%3D

http://www.celent.com/reports/future-p2p-lending-china

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[EvilPanda]

Nice to see another chinese exchange Finaly some info from the East that doesn't look fake.

[Its About Sharing]

Well, something is going on, look at fiatleak - http://fiatleak.dyndns.org/

For close to an hour 1 BITCOIN HAS BEEN BOUGHT IN CHINA. Over 800 in the USA. Normally China is double us.

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[BTCisthefuture]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't feel this is THAT big of a deal. On exchanges like btcchina you have the option of making payment with a chinese bank account or a 3rd party payment provider like Tenpay. I might be wrong but I believe using your bank account was the cheaper option anyways,  and most Chinese people should already have a bank account IMO.  Is it positive news, no it's not. Does it stop people from buying selling BTC on exchanges though, no it doesn't, they can still use banks to make depoists/withdrawls in RMB.

Just my 2 cents.


It does seem though like China is working hard to make sure people don't/can't use bitcoin as a currency and it's only used as an investment/commidity. From banning companies from providing services in exchange for bitcoin, to banning banks from dealing in it, to now banning payment processors it makes it pretty cut and dry IMO that you aren't going to see a day anytime soon where it's common to go into a store in China and buy something with bitcoin. At least not legally.

[hilariousandco]

It's incredible how a rumour or good/bad news can affect the price of currencies (and also stocks & shares etc). It's really quite alarming too, especially when the information can turn out to be false or inaccurate.

[Anotheranonlol]

It's incredible how a rumour or good/bad news can affect the price of currencies (and also stocks & shares etc). It's really quite alarming too, especially when the information can turn out to be false or inaccurate.

especially with the case of overseas news it seems to take people some time to intepret, (or misintepret) translate, package neatly into reddit frontpage with suitable headline and cause a panic or buy surge, then people will rush to buy or sell spotting the drastic movement and cause a snowball effect, I had noticed there seems to be delayed reaction of 1-9 hours usually.. baidu news was good example of this- price was actually dropping at first until many hours later..which can be unnerving if you buy or sell instantly upon hearing news  to increase position and watch things go in opposite directions, in this case better to set order and log off for some time, it's almost always filled.

[Piper67]

It's incredible how a rumour or good/bad news can affect the price of currencies (and also stocks & shares etc). It's really quite alarming too, especially when the information can turn out to be false or inaccurate.

Actually, it's not incredible at all, it's perfectly reasonable. Most people don't understand Bitcoin. They buy some because it has been going up in price, but they're still extremely jittery about it. Markets are fickle by nature, but in the case of Bitcoin that's twice so, and in the case of Bitcoin in a new market (China, India) where people truly don't understand it, it's thrice so.

Give it time, China has to go through its own equivalent of the MtGox crash of 2011 before they come to realise Bitcoin is a lot more than a price on a ticker tape.

[EvilPanda]

It's incredible how a rumour or good/bad news can affect the price of currencies (and also stocks & shares etc). It's really quite alarming too, especially when the information can turn out to be false or inaccurate.

Actually, it's not incredible at all, it's perfectly reasonable. Most people don't understand Bitcoin. They buy some because it has been going up in price, but they're still extremely jittery about it. Markets are fickle by nature, but in the case of Bitcoin that's twice so, and in the case of Bitcoin in a new market (China, India) where people truly don't understand it, it's thrice so.

Give it time, China has to go through its own equivalent of the MtGox crash of 2011 before they come to realise Bitcoin is a lot more than a price on a ticker tape.

The human psychology of going with the flow and following the masses is the problem here. Unfortunately it's impossible to persuade them to calm down and take profit. To understand it just watch the black friday mob. If they just stood in line and entered one by one there would be no injuries and they'd get in faster, instead they try to go all at once blocking the doors and fighting the staff.

[ImI]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't feel this is THAT big of a deal. On exchanges like btcchina you have the option of making payment with a chinese bank account or a 3rd party payment provider like Tenpay. I might be wrong but I believe using your bank account was the cheaper option anyways,  and most Chinese people should already have a bank account IMO.  Is it positive news, no it's not. Does it stop people from buying selling BTC on exchanges though, no it doesn't, they can still use banks to make depoists/withdrawls in RMB.

Just my 2 cents.


It does seem though like China is working hard to make sure people don't/can't use bitcoin as a currency and it's only used as an investment/commidity. From banning companies from providing services in exchange for bitcoin, to banning banks from dealing in it, to now banning payment processors it makes it pretty cut and dry IMO that you aren't going to see a day anytime soon where it's common to go into a store in China and buy something with bitcoin. At least not legally.

exactly, and of course it brings up the question if the bank account payment option is also going to be banned in the near future.

[Exther]

If this is true there won't be many ways to get bitcoins. Basically just cash in person. Sure, you can take bank transfers, but that will be illegal.

[Its About Sharing]

Well, Lucano mentioned this link in his thread. Not exactly what has been said: http://tech.sina.com.cn/it/2013-12-17/01139011174.shtml#483253-tsina-1-18627-1cf60a7c37a7bc296a2ba7aba0120190

Rough Google Translation: Thoughts?

Sina Technology
Sina Technology > Industry > Bitcoin : the future of speculative bubbles or financial topic > Text
Bank of interviews with third-party payment bitcoin risk prevention
At 01:13 on December 17 2013 First Financial Daily

Yan Xiangjun

"The central bank regulations third party payment institution shall not provide hosting bitcoin trading site for the trading business ." Yesterday afternoon , the central bank called third-party payment companies meeting revealed the news.

"First Financial Daily" reporters learned exclusively , December 5 issued "on guard against the risk of Bitcoin notice" ( the "Notice " ) Following the central bank again yesterday , " attack" , interviews with more than 10 third-party payment companies relevant person in charge , it may not be explicitly requested to Bitcoin , Wright credits (LTC) and other trading sites offer payment and settlement business.

In less than two weeks time , the central bank even out "two trick" to prevent the risk of Bitcoin , and convey the spirit of the meeting is to be interpreted as " drastic " Many Bitcoin insiders .

Third-party payment " three line"

A large third-party payment company , told reporters that the participants who , yesterday morning, more than 10 third-party payment companies convened by the central bank , in Beijing held a closed-door meeting . Such persons in an interview with this reporter revealed that the meeting , Deputy Director of the settlement payment was chaired by the Secretary golden week the central bank , every company has sent 1 to 2 participants stakeholders .

" Justice Week at the beginning of the meeting made ​​it clear that the meeting was not convened to discuss whether the companies about Bitcoin -related businesses can conduct , but to convey the attitude of senior central bank , which may not be the first third-party payment companies to bitcoin , Wright currency and other trading sites provide payment and settlement services ; Secondly, for payment institutions business cooperation has occurred should be lifted , the stock of money at the latest to complete the withdrawal before the Spring Festival , the new payment services may not occur ; third , strict implementation of the December 5 the central bank issued a " notice " . " these third-party payment companies told this reporter.

According to newspaper reporter to get a third-party payment companies participants recorded meeting minutes , the meeting , in addition to domestic regulations do not allow third-party payment agencies engaged in related businesses bitcoins , the central bank will also be after studying the relevant requirements for access in the territory of Bitcoin -related businesses overseas payment mechanism.

After Golden Week convey relevant spiritual , individual companies have made ​​the payment that he will strictly enforce the above three requirements. But it is worth noting that one of the world 's most active trading site BTCC ( bitcoin China ) as well as Bitcoin , Wright currency trading site OKCOIN have third-party payment agencies from the original co- pay through fiscal replaced by another third-party payment companies , meanwhile, have users complained that two sites are currently only using money paid through withdrawals , but not through its recharge.

"Alipay has not any bitcoin trading site had business cooperation, " Alipay stakeholders in an interview with this reporter , said , "If investors find recharge channels Alipay , you need to be alert to whether the other individual accounts, if really is a personal account, the investor must be aware of the risks . "

There Bitcoin Insiders believe that the contents of the central bank from yesterday's meeting , the central bank for risk prevention efforts may result in a larger bitcoin , but he also expressed puzzled , because this might make the original line open and transparent Bitcoin trading platform is transferred to the ground, the difficulty of monitoring will also rise.

Bitcoin bleak future in China ?

" Come after " notice " is issued, we are in this thing to worry about third-party payment will not do it , did not think of a prophecy ." Bitcoin transaction , a person in charge after hearing the news of the newspaper Reporter said.

After the "notice" issued by the vast majority of people in the industry believe that the " caliber looser " or even " a regulatory innovation " is different , the spirit of the meeting of the central bank to bitcoin industry obviously caused some blow. Many industry insiders have said that bitcoin future development of the situation in China worrying , will choose different levels of " escape" , or transferred to offshore trading platform Bitcoin transactions.

Earlier, the central bank's " notice" had explicitly requested at this stage of financial institutions and payment institutions shall not conduct business associated with bitcoins are not allowed to bitcoin for a product or service pricing , may not be sold or traded as a central counterparty bitcoin not covered with Bitcoin -related insurance business or insurance bitcoins into range. After the "notice" is issued, although Bitcoin market has movement fell short , but soon that recover "lost ."

Yesterday 's meeting will have much impact on prices bitcoins is still unknown, but as of press time newspaper reporter , BTCC Bitcoin price has fallen from yesterday's highest 5335 yuan to 4600 yuan , a decrease of 15%.

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[enric]

If this is true there won't be many ways to get bitcoins. Basically just cash in person. Sure, you can take bank transfers, but that will be illegal.

There is zero prove and zero motivation about bank transfers going to be illegal. Bank account are well validated and linked to a real person, So its an easy way to identity control for money laundering.
As a commodity its 100% legal, to do a transfer to buy it, just like any other commodity.

[hilariousandco]

It's incredible how a rumour or good/bad news can affect the price of currencies (and also stocks & shares etc). It's really quite alarming too, especially when the information can turn out to be false or inaccurate.

Actually, it's not incredible at all, it's perfectly reasonable. Most people don't understand Bitcoin. They buy some because it has been going up in price, but they're still extremely jittery about it. Markets are fickle by nature, but in the case of Bitcoin that's twice so, and in the case of Bitcoin in a new market (China, India) where people truly don't understand it, it's thrice so.

The human psychology of going with the flow and following the masses is the problem here. Unfortunately it's impossible to persuade them to calm down and take profit. To understand it just watch the black friday mob. If they just stood in line and entered one by one there would be no injuries and they'd get in faster, instead they try to go all at once blocking the doors and fighting the staff.

That's what I find incredible about it. The naivety and stupidity of people continually blows my mind. If it wasn't for idiots panic selling BTC wouldn't be where it's at right now.

[BitCoinNutJob]

looks like coindesk was right after all

[jeppe]

im surprised to see bitcoin still at 600 thought it would go much lower !! like 250s

[Its About Sharing]

4X + as many coins going into China compared to USA right now. http://fiatleak.com/
Absolutely amazing to watch this for a while. Looks like money is once again flowing into China BIG.

[hilariousandco]

im surprised to see bitcoin still at 600 thought it would go much lower !! like 250s

Why did you think it would go lower? Or is this just wishful thinking  ?

4X + as many coins going into China compared to USA right now. http://fiatleak.com/
Absolutely amazing to watch this for a while. Looks like money is once again flowing into China BIG.

I wonder how many coins are coming out of China?

[Joopii]

What can you buy with bitcoins? Drugs, and maybe a gun, that's about it.

It used to be that you could only get drugs, guns and illegal stuff only with Bitcoins, but it has grow so much lately that i buy almost everything (even legal stuff) online with Bitcoins and it seems to be growing very fast.

[MikeyVeez]

http://www.coindesk.com/china-bans-payment-companies-working-bitcoin-exchanges-sources-claim/

No kidding.  China's stance against bitcoin has just moved from 'firm' to 'outrageous'.  This is going to have a serious effect for a few months.  But who cares?  Can't stop bitcoin with these stupid laws.  You'll just disadvantage your country's economy.  Bitcoin is coming whether they like it or not.  The rest of the world will carry on without china for a while.  I didn't like the dominate position they were working themselves into last month anyway.  I for one am glad they put that fire out.

Next week I am going to buy some bitcoin on heavy discount.  All those Chinese who paid $1,200 are going to be taking $400 from me.  By March, we'll all be right back up to $1,000!!!  What a steal. 

Yes and without America and without Europe and without every developed nation in the world. You think 3rd world countries can afford $1000/btc prices?

[luqash3]

Any paper note or other currency including bitcoin is worth according to its acceptability but as recently china is taking strong actions against the usage of bitcoin, so eventually it may crash causing all the momentum it gained in recent days to disappear with a blink of an eye. In short we may say lesser it is accepted lesser it worth.