Doge-Dice.com : Play or Invest : 1% House Edge : Banter++

[bitfromit]

...deflected annoying noise from "EEPICYOO"...

Such detail. Well done Doog.

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[galbros]

Glad to see this thread got bumped, I love doge-dice.  Doog did a great service to the altcoin community when he made it - Thanks!

[EEPICYOO]

this game is a fucking scam!!! you owe me doog!!!(check your email!) >>>


DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:52
 betid:
287965370
 lucky:
01.3481
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-22222.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:50
 betid:
287965299
 lucky:
00.7005
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-22222.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:48
 betid:
287965203
 lucky:
09.3557
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-22222.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:46
 betid:
287965141
 lucky:
87.8834
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
+6164.81279570
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:44
 betid:
287965063
 lucky:
25.3691
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
+6164.81279570
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:43
 betid:
287965004
 lucky:
80.1868
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
+6164.81279570
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:41
 betid:
287964926
 lucky:
04.1260
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-22222.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:39
 betid:
287964861
 lucky:
04.6071
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
22222.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-22222.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:32
 betid:
287964628
 lucky:
06.3926
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
11111.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-11111.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:27
 betid:
287964553
 lucky:
06.1111
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
1111.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-1111.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:22
 betid:
287964350
 lucky:
02.5132
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
1.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-1.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:22
 betid:
287964321
 lucky:
02.9696
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
1.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-1.00000000
 user:
DOGETHER (156645)
 date:
2014-03-02 17:23:21
 betid:
287964302
 lucky:
17.1074
 target:
>22.4999
 bet:
1.00000000
 payout:
1.27741935x
 profit:
-1.00000000

I think from the style (not making your point in a way I can act on, pasting far too much data in an un-digestible format) that you're probably the "jus rob" guy who was spamming the ticket system until I blocked his email address.

If so, I won't have received your email.

Do you have a point to make?  If it's "I picked hi/lo wrongly too much" then I'm sorry, but that's just bad luck.  The site is provably fair as I continue to point out.  There's no way I can affect your rolls to make you lose.

If it's something else, please state it more clearly.

did you even bother to look at these rolls in comparison to the % stated? lol

>>my bullshit detector is flaring on your site!


* Getting peeps to "invest" in your scam is over the top and will prolly get you the most problems.

>>> Money laundering is more likely what get you tho'!

jmho


=)

i want my coins back you scammer!!!

[EEPICYOO]

HOW DO I GET MY MONEY BACK YOU SCAMMED ME!!!!=(

YOU DON'T I DIDN'T!!!!

Edit: out of curiosity I reformatted the bets into a format I could read:

time      betid      lucky    target    stake           profit
----     -----        -----    ------   -----      ------
17:23:52  287965370  01.3481  >22.4999  22222.00000000  -22222.00000000
17:23:50  287965299  00.7005  >22.4999  22222.00000000  -22222.00000000
17:23:48  287965203  09.3557  >22.4999  22222.00000000  -22222.00000000
17:23:46  287965141  87.8834  >22.4999  22222.00000000  +6164.81279570
17:23:44  287965063  25.3691  >22.4999  22222.00000000  +6164.81279570
17:23:43  287965004  80.1868  >22.4999  22222.00000000  +6164.81279570
17:23:41  287964926  04.1260  >22.4999  22222.00000000  -22222.00000000
17:23:39  287964861  04.6071  >22.4999  22222.00000000  -22222.00000000
17:23:32  287964628  06.3926  >22.4999  11111.00000000  -11111.00000000
17:23:27  287964553  06.1111  >22.4999  1111.00000000   -1111.00000000
17:23:22  287964350  02.5132  >22.4999  1.00000000      -1.00000000
17:23:22  287964321  02.9696  >22.4999  1.00000000      -1.00000000
17:23:21  287964302  17.1074  >22.4999  1.00000000      -1.00000000

It does look like some pretty bad luck.  Would have been better to bet 'lo' on those rolls...

Edit2:

I just checked the server logs to see whether the bets you reported really happened:

2014-03-03 01:23:04 bet #287963926: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:280447 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:05 bet #287963968: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:989377 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:06 bet #287964016: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:441042 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:06 bet #287964054: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:837305 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:08 bet #287964105: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:411128 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:09 bet #287964136: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:290225 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:13 bet #287964166: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:492052 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:14 bet #287964182: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:24417 profit:-1.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:14 bet #287964209: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:682994 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:15 bet #287964259: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:768741 profit:0.27741935
2014-03-03 01:23:20 bet #287964302: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:171074 profit:-1.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:21 bet #287964321: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:29696 profit:-1.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:22 bet #287964350: 1 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:25132 profit:-1.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:26 bet #287964553: 1111 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:61111 profit:-1111.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:32 bet #287964628: 11111 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:63926 profit:-11111.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:38 bet #287964861: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:46071 profit:-22222.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:40 bet #287964926: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:41260 profit:-22222.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:42 bet #287965004: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:801868 profit:6164.81279570
2014-03-03 01:23:44 bet #287965063: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:253691 profit:6164.81279570
2014-03-03 01:23:46 bet #287965141: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:878834 profit:6164.81279570
2014-03-03 01:23:47 bet #287965203: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:93557 profit:-22222.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:50 bet #287965299: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:7005 profit:-22222.00000000
2014-03-03 01:23:51 bet #287965370: 22222 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:13481 profit:-22222.00000000
2014-03-03 01:27:12 bet #287971572: 18186.75783446 DOGE @ 77.5% hi: lucky:532879 profit:5045.35853704
2014-03-03 01:47:59 chat: <DOGETHER> SCAMMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It looks like you were betting 1 DOGE over and over until you hit a losing streak, and then increased your bet size.  You wasted all the winning bets by only playing for 1 DOGE, then increased your stake for the losing streak.  And then somehow say that's our fault, not yours.

Edit 3: I ran a query to find out how many times people have won and lost at 77.5% on doge-dice since it started.

It turns out they've won 876 times and lost 252 times.

>>> 876 * 100.0 / (252 + 876)
77.65957446808511

That's a win rate of 77.66%, a little higher than expected.

Would you like me to track down the people who have won more than expected and tell them that they owe you some dogecoins?

Edit 4: and for the record, you won 58 times and lost 28 times at 77.5% on that account.

>>> 58 * 100.0 / (28 + 58)
67.44186046511628

That's a win rate of 67.44%, quite a bit lower than expected, but that's not unusual on such a small sample size.

i'm just stupid to keep playing after all, already figured your game out it works off "fields" so if you try to beat the streak it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio...

=SCAM!!!!


*i figured it out by reading about the time adjustments for different size bets..lol

[dooglus]

it works off "fields" so if you try to beat the streak it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio

How it works is documented on the 'Fair?' tab.  All rolls are predetermined based on a pair of seeds, one of which the server provides and one of which the user provides.

Nice words though.  I particularly liked the bit where you said "it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio".  That nearly sounded like it meant something!

i figured it out by reading about the time adjustments for different size bets..lol

Congratulations!  Except there's no time element in the roll generation.

[ondratra]

it works off "fields" so if you try to beat the streak it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio

How it works is documented on the 'Fair?' tab.  All rolls are predetermined based on a pair of seeds, one of which the server provides and one of which the user provides.

Nice words though.  I particularly liked the bit where you said "it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio".  That nearly sounded like it meant something!

i figured it out by reading about the time adjustments for different size bets..lol

Congratulations!  Except there's no time element in the roll generation.

Epic i like people arguing about probability they don't understand even a bit just after huge loss

[EEPICYOO]

it works off "fields" so if you try to beat the streak it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio

How it works is documented on the 'Fair?' tab.  All rolls are predetermined based on a pair of seeds, one of which the server provides and one of which the user provides.

Nice words though.  I particularly liked the bit where you said "it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio".  That nearly sounded like it meant something!

i figured it out by reading about the time adjustments for different size bets..lol

Congratulations!  Except there's no time element in the roll generation.

^you fucking liar it says it right on your site!

>>yes I have found that it demonstrates how stated % is not exclusive to all bet placed but rather BET SIZE ,so perhaps in in your mind it's somehow justified? How this is achieved by monitoring or automation or what combination of these i'm not entirely clear. You do have someone monitoring the site at all times ...right?... GOTCHA!!! ;-) *just flip the "lose" switch? = odds will change

[EEPICYOO]

it works off "fields" so if you try to beat the streak it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio

How it works is documented on the 'Fair?' tab.  All rolls are predetermined based on a pair of seeds, one of which the server provides and one of which the user provides.

Nice words though.  I particularly liked the bit where you said "it equates the higher bracket into the % ratio".  That nearly sounded like it meant something!

i figured it out by reading about the time adjustments for different size bets..lol

Congratulations!  Except there's no time element in the roll generation.

Epic i like people arguing about probability they don't understand even a bit just after huge loss

probability of seeing "out of normal" pattern of losses increase when suddenly your bet increases! = THIS IS A FACT!!! :-)

[EEPICYOO]

Is the site working for u guys? It starts loading then it stops ( can't see the numbers, invested ecc ) 

Anyone?

Yes the site is working 100%

you would know~see you are a fucking liar!!You are still developing the doge-road drug site?

Sounds like a court case in your future?

;-)

LMFAO!!!

[dooglus]

there's no time element in the roll generation.

^you fucking liar it says it right on your site!

Are you referring to this?



I expect so.  Can you understand the difference between HOW the rolls are generated and WHEN they are displayed?  The delays described above simply DELAY the roll, they don't AFFECT it.  Also, they only affect tiny bets.  People typically don't care about such small bets.  The bets you pasted were all above the threshold for delays.

>>yes I have found that it demonstrates how stated % is not exclusive to all bet placed but rather BET SIZE ,so perhaps in in your mind it's somehow justified? How this is achieved by monitoring or automation or what combination of these i'm not entirely clear. You do have someone monitoring the site at all times ...right?... GOTCHA!!! ;-) *just flip the "lose" switch? = odds will change

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here.  Do you have a friend who can help you with your posts?

If you're saying that big bets lose more often than small bets, that's just wrong.  The rolled numbers are predetermined as soon as you pick your client seed, before you pick your chance or stake.  No amount of monitoring or automation is able to change the predetermined sequence of rolls.

I don't have anyone monitoring the site most of the time.  I leave myself logged in most of the time, but don't watch it.  The server keeps logs of all bets though, so you can call that monitoring if you like.

[Willisius]

Humans are extremely skilled at finding patterns. So much that we find them where they don't exist.

I found this very interesting, I'd recommend it for anyone who'd like to read about this.

[CryptoKilla]

Is this site still legit?

[BayAreaCoins]

Is this site still legit?

Yep!

[VolanicEruptor]

If the house has such an advantage, why don't you bet on them instead of yourself.

[BayAreaCoins]

If the house has such an advantage, why don't you bet on them instead of yourself.

1% house edge isn't much of a advantage (as seen with players from www.Just-dice.com.)  You can invest into Doge-dice and be the house if you want, but mind you it isn't "for sure" coins. People do win.

[VolanicEruptor]

According to this guy though, the house has much more than a 1% advantage.  That's the topic right now isn't it..?

[dooglus]

I found this very interesting, I'd recommend it for anyone who'd like to read about this.

Thanks for the link.  I hadn't see it before, and you're right, it is interesting.

I hadn't realised this:

Another reason for errors in our understanding of randomness may be confusion between the way the word random is used in everyday speech and the way it is used in statistics and mathematics. According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, the most common meaning of the adjective random is “lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern.”  It also lists “haphazard” as a synonym

And so "H H H H H H" is thought to be "less random" than "H H T H T T", even though both have the same chance of happening at random.

[VolanicEruptor]

[EEPICYOO]

there's no time element in the roll generation.

^you fucking liar it says it right on your site!

Are you referring to this?

https://i.imgur.com/zGnidYV.png

I expect so.  Can you understand the difference between HOW the rolls are generated and WHEN they are displayed?  The delays described above simply DELAY the roll, they don't AFFECT it.  Also, they only affect tiny bets.  People typically don't care about such small bets.  The bets you pasted were all above the threshold for delays.

>>yes I have found that it demonstrates how stated % is not exclusive to all bet placed but rather BET SIZE ,so perhaps in in your mind it's somehow justified? How this is achieved by monitoring or automation or what combination of these i'm not entirely clear. You do have someone monitoring the site at all times ...right?... GOTCHA!!! ;-) *just flip the "lose" switch? = odds will change

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here.  Do you have a friend who can help you with your posts?

If you're saying that big bets lose more often than small bets, that's just wrong.  The rolled numbers are predetermined as soon as you pick your client seed, before you pick your chance or stake.  No amount of monitoring or automation is able to change the predetermined sequence of rolls.

I don't have anyone monitoring the site most of the time.  I leave myself logged in most of the time, but don't watch it.  The server keeps logs of all bets though, so you can call that monitoring if you like.

after playing DOGE-DICE for +10hours straight that day i got the feeling of what to expect as using consistant size bets will produce smaller red streaks than when you try to "beat the game" and go from small bets to "whale" bets. I've gone beyond trying to prove to myself this happens~ to HOW it happens. So by recognizing your time delay feature i deduct this is how the % ratio equation works. So as long as you know what the fields are programmed you could better predict the likely outcome of rolls. I've seen you do some tricky stuff picking "good seeds" and whatnot. So you are saying it's purely hard programmed to fuck you?

...regardless when you get 10 out of 13 loss to win that isn't %77!!!!(DO THE MATH!!!)

[CryptoKilla]

This site is amazing thank you Doog!