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December 16, 2013, 06:02:30 PM
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Coinjoin will be worthless in court.  Your case is not going to prosecution when the sole evidence is a bitcoin transaction.  Instead, that transaction is going to be used as the basis for collecting gobs and gobs of further evidence.  At that point, the coinjoin isn't going to help you in court, it is going to hurt you, since it will be evidence that you knew what you were doing was wrong and tried to bury the evidence.
What???

Aaaa, sorry - I forgot that you guys are form US.
In your courts words like "wrong" or "evil" are the daily bread Smiley

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December 16, 2013, 06:20:31 PM
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Coinjoin will be worthless in court.  Your case is not going to prosecution when the sole evidence is a bitcoin transaction.  Instead, that transaction is going to be used as the basis for collecting gobs and gobs of further evidence.  At that point, the coinjoin isn't going to help you in court, it is going to hurt you, since it will be evidence that you knew what you were doing was wrong and tried to bury the evidence.
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Aaaa, sorry - I forgot that you guys are form US.
In your courts words like "wrong" or "evil" are the daily bread Smiley

You've spent a lot of time in our court system, have you?

I was speaking informally, but the point remains.  Covering up the evidence of a crime never looks good.

You rarely hear "wrong" used in the moral sense here, and about the only time you'll ever hear "evil" is during closing arguments and victim impact statements prior to sentencing.

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December 16, 2013, 06:25:02 PM
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You've spent a lot of time in our court system, have you?

I was speaking informally, but the point remains.  Covering up the evidence of a crime never looks good.

You rarely hear "wrong" used in the moral sense here, and about the only time you'll ever hear "evil" is during closing arguments and victim impact statements prior to sentencing.
What crime? Since when using CoinJoin has been a crime?

No, I haven't spent a lot of time in your court system, but I have watched a lot of your TV and Hollywood movies - that should be enough, shouldn't it? Smiley
Your president's second name seems to be "evil" and you are all shitting your pants just thinking about a remote possibility of pissing off the nigga.
You do have a decent constitution, but since it is so old that it is literally the fist constitution in the world, your government nor courts don't seems to be giving a shit about it anymore.

But you know, where I live people are innocent until proven otherwise and nothing looks bad in court, until the prosecutor can prove beyond any dispute that it is illegal.
Though unlike the great US we are not here an exceptional and self proclaimed worldwide source of the freedom and democracy, so what do I know after all, right? Smiley

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December 17, 2013, 08:58:30 PM
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But you know, where I live people are innocent until proven otherwise and nothing looks bad in court, until the prosecutor can prove beyond any dispute that it is illegal.
Though unlike the great US we are not here an exceptional and self proclaimed worldwide source of the freedom and democracy, so what do I know after all, right? Smiley

Hey, stop attacking our country!  Angry Angry Angry


even if everything you're saying is true...

It's off topic  Cheesy
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December 17, 2013, 10:42:57 PM
Last edit: December 17, 2013, 10:56:50 PM by piotr_n
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Hey, stop attacking our country!  Angry Angry Angry
Why won't your country stop attacking other countries first?
And I mean like with bombs - not just words like me.

But you're right - we should get back on topic.

If using CoinJoin in your court will only work against you, than it is even more useless than I had tought. Dangerous actually. I heard that US has the biggest prisoners population in the world. If I had owned bitcoins while living in there I would probably be very scared. Using coinjoin in such an environment - that sounds just like insanity :-)

Anyway, keep in mind that when you have enough bitcoins you can go living anywhere in the world. You don't need to live in a nazi shithole anymore :-)
Especially since you apparently don't even have the balls to fix it.

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December 17, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
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Anyway, keep in mind that when you have enough bitcoins you can go living anywhere in the world. You don't need to live in a nazi shithole anymore :-)

We're all sticking around for the health insurance.
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December 17, 2013, 11:09:44 PM
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Then you all must be really sick.

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