[Request] 1 Merit to become junior member and access to bounties sub

[InvoKing]

Hi, i was looking at the patrol page lately and I was surprised by the amount of spam, it is worse than i though by far since I rarely visit it.

My request is to force newbies to obtain at least 1 Merit point to become junior member + you must be junior member or more to post in the bounties sub.

Some will say this will have a negative impact on new users, well 1 Merit point in 1 month shouldn't be that hard imo, no?
Else, I have an alternative solution, no need for that merit point to become a junior member but force everyone to have at least 1 Merit to post in bounties.
This will cut the amount of spam and will make bots useless.

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[jackg]

Maybe make everyone get 10 merits to post in the altcoin bounty sectionas altogether. It would be nice to see people actually putting an effort into the forum rather than just coming here with multiple throwaways to get bounties.

(the 1 merit could exist instead of 10 but it would be a better achievemnt).

[nev1d]

I think that the number of bots will not decrease, they will spam in other topics. This can reduce the number of participants in bounty campaigns, which is good for us, but bad for the newcomers who signed up for the forum just because of this. You're right, 1 Merit earn is not so difficult, so the system has the right to life.

[jackg]

But bad for the newcomers who signed up for the forum just because of this.

Isn't that good? I mean they're not adding to the community with anything.

Although, they are adding to the number of ad impressions on the site so...

[nev1d]

But bad for the newcomers who signed up for the forum just because of this.

Isn't that good? I mean they're not adding to the community with anything.

Although, they are adding to the number of ad impressions on the site so...

The forum gets a good PR for them, but if you stick to this system, then everyone who wants to participate in bounty projects on the forum, and not on other sites, must first study it and benefit, what you said. We sacrifice a quantity in favor of quality, which is good for some, but for others it's bad.

[hugeblack]

Let days determine the success of the merit system or not.
I'm sure if this system managed to limit the spam to the whole forum, making such simple adjustments will not take long(theymos him self edit it many times).
The problem is that this rank "junior member " does not get linked signatures, Why they paid?

[botany]

Let days determine the success of the merit system or not.
I'm sure if this system managed to limit the spam to the whole forum, making such simple adjustments will not take long(theymos him self edit it many times).
The problem is that this rank "junior member " does not get linked signatures, Why they paid?

That is a question that only the signature campaign managers can answer.
Maybe it is some thing yo ro with inertia. Junior members were previously allowed to join campaigns because of links in their signature, and this has just continued.

[coinlocket$]

This is a risky idea that can promote the sale of merit especially for accounts that already have redtrust. In my opinion it makes more sense to eliminate the newbie accounts from the bounties, I was newbie myself last year and for the first few weeks I did not even know what the bounties were. According to my experience, the newbie who sign up for the buonty are 99% alt abuser / ban evader. And if they learn what bounties are on the 1st week of their forum life, they can surly wait few more weeks to join bounties and wait the normal activity.
Sure this can be a problem for users that wants to open an ANN bounty but hey we have the Copper option and 20$ for a CEO of one ICO are nothing.

[InvoKing]

This is a risky idea that can promote the sale of merit especially for accounts that already have redtrust. In my opinion it makes more sense to eliminate the newbie accounts from the bounties, I was newbie myself last year and for the first few weeks I did not even know what the bounties were. According to my experience, the newbie who sign up for the buonty are 99% alt abuser / ban evader.

Increase the difficulty a little bit and the number of spammers and especially bots will be reduced by half.
I post this topic before being fully aware of the amount of spam made in KanadeCoin topics (over 4000 posts in few hours).

Imo, trading merit is happening and may increase with this idea, but spotting the abuser isn't hard and may even lead to figure out some accounts promoting bots.
BTW, i don't think that they will spend a cent to enter to bounties.

[theymos]

What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion? Also, people should not be required to post in order to get paid; that's already against the rules.

An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
 - "I want to discuss things"
     = Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
 - "I want to make money"
     = Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
     = You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc. (Quizzes are pointless to stop dedicated spammers, since an answer key will quickly be compiled, but it may help in cases where clueless people are ending up here.)

[pandaki85]

Mind-blanking 

They said 10 Merit to become Jr. Member, any advises for me?

[Wheelige]

I've noticed that a number of the bounties for 'better' (completely subjective assessment) ICOs/TGEs are now requiring full members in order to participate in the bounty for signatures on BCT. I would think that over time more campaigns would move to raise requirements as it (again in my opinion) shows the lesser campaigns by allowing anyone to enter. I wouldnt say this is a hard and fast rule and there are some really great bounties open to Jr members+.
While merit has had a bit impact on spam and user count, i cant remember where i saw it but there are some fantastic graphs posted recently that show this, the problem of bounty spam if tackled with the aid of bounty managers will be cleaned up quicker and smoother. The only thing that will be left are the posts asking how to get merit, asking for merit, and saying that merit is impossible to come by unless you are a hero or legend rank.

[cryptoishot]

What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion? Also, people should not be required to post in order to get paid; that's already against the rules.

An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
 - "I want to discuss things"
     = Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
 - "I want to make money"
     = Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
     = You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc. (Quizzes are pointless to stop dedicated spammers, since an answer key will quickly be compiled, but it may help in cases where clueless people are ending up here.)

That's a great idea, but maybe it's a little bit too hard to be realized.
As an alternative, may I suggest to put every newbie (including me in a sandbox section of the forum?
Reputable members can enter that sandbox section and give merit to newbies who post reasonable things.
When newbies get enough merit and post enough messages, they will be able to gradually post more and more messages outside the sandbox.

[r1s2g3]

What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion? Also, people should not be required to post in order to get paid; that's already against the rules.

An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
 - "I want to discuss things"
     = Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
 - "I want to make money"
     = Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
     = You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc. (Quizzes are pointless to stop dedicated spammers, since an answer key will quickly be compiled, but it may help in cases where clueless people are ending up here.)

I  think everybody pick "I want to discuss things" because these spammer know they will require to become Jr. member before doing any signature bounty.
I do not want posting restrictions for newbies because sometime people just create account in this forum for the solution of their technical problem.
Best way is that we can ask everybody to clear the test within 7 days of joining to continue posting.

For controlling spam, temporary ban the user , disable the signature for a week  and award a black star  if 4 post of user is deleted by Moderators in a single week.
If user collect 5 black star in a calendar year , user will be permanently ban.

[cabalism13]

My request is to force newbies to obtain at least 1 Merit point to become junior member + you must be junior member or more to post in the bounties sub.

I hardly suggest to make it a 5 Merits Requirement.  

Some will say this will have a negative impact on new users,

Only the non quality posters will do this kind of whining as I think.

no need for that merit point to become a junior member but force everyone to have at least 1 Merit to post in bounties.

Use the Merits as a requirement for Bounties? This should help but I think it still depends on the Bounty Managers.

This will cut the amount of spam and will make bots useless.

I don't think so, even if they can't use bots on an early time, we can't be so sure that the bots will no longer be used if they actually have achieved the Merit Requirement.

An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
 - "I want to discuss things"
     = Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
 - "I want to make money"
     = Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
     = You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc.

This is what we need A path for users. Now, with this, we can determine if this forum is just being used for money making or not.

[cryptoishot]

Another way is to use merit as a currency )
For example, somebody posted good relevant messages and got merit.
Now, each time the user posts in a few subforums (for example "Bounties") one merit is deducted.

That way, people who really contribute to the forum can use their merit to post ads.
It may be against the original forum idea, but when bitcointalk was created nobody imagined it would be hardly spammed by signature bounty hunters.

[thd26bct]

I don't see reasons to take care too much attention on bounty topics/ threads. Personally, I only read OP of those ones, nothing more because as you all known, threads after OPs are dominantly by shit-shows.
Hate to say this, but bounties related to social media channels, like Facebook, Twitter are amongst the most spamming ones in the forum.

[Lauda]

What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion?

The newbies are less problematic than the jr. members. Usually the minimum required rank (e.g. sig. campaign) is jr. member. Bounties often have Google forms, and this can get attacked/abused easily when applying. A recent case that I've reported to a moderator was ~50 jr. members applying within 30 minutes (all the classic spam accounts). Merit requirement needs to be added for this rank, and it should be a tad more than 1 merit.

[stompix]

What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion? Also, people should not be required to post in order to get paid; that's already against the rules.

Then the entire bounty section is against the rules as they require people to post their facebook shares and retweets.

The last invasion proved that the bounty section could easily be overcome by bots and if the guy(s) running them would have been less greedy and created only 10% of the accounts they would probably have gone undetected in that mess.

An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
 - "I want to discuss things"
     = Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
 - "I want to make money"
     = Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
     = You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc. (Quizzes are pointless to stop dedicated spammers, since an answer key will quickly be compiled, but it may help in cases where clueless people are ending up here.)

I really like the second tier as they will probably never get 10 Merits to rank up in the bounty/altcoin sections.  

[hilariousetc]

My request is to force newbies to obtain at least 1 Merit point to become junior member + you must be junior member or more to post in the bounties sub.

I'm all for some sort of restrictions because at the moment anyone is free to create an unlimited amount of accounts and most people who sign up here just to claim bounties probably do so with more than one. As InvoKing mentioned, these can also be botted rather easily especially when often all that is required is posting your username or adding it to a spreadsheet. Requiring some sort of merit achievement would go a long way in curbing this behaviour. I'm also still in favour of removing signatures completely unless you pay for them through more donator ranks, though I doubt this is something theymos would do. I think at least we could experiment with another donator rank or two though alongside being able to rank up 'naturally'. People are going to continue to buy accounts anyway and most of them these days get scammed in the process so why not let them safely buy the benefits of ranks from the forum instead? It stops account farming, scammers, and people just spamming the forum for activity and/or begging for merit.

I was newbie myself last year and for the first few weeks I did not even know what the bounties were.

Well you are most likely the anomaly. The sad fact of the matter is that probably 99% of people who sign up here these days do so just to earn from bounties and even worse signature campaigns. A huge proportion of these users probably have little to no interest or knowledge of bitcoin either other than they just heard from their classmate/cousin/granny that you can make good money here hence why they're often completely clueless.

What do the people who operate these bounties think of the newbie invasion?

They probably don't care. All most of them care about is getting their ICO's name out there in whatever manner they can as quickly as they can. As long as people are bumping their thread and wearing their signature it's all promotion.

An idea I had in this vein was that upon registration you'd have to pick one of two paths:
 - "I want to discuss things"
     = Banned from all money-making/spam-hotbed sections until Jr Member
 - "I want to make money"
     = Banned from the more serious sections until Jr Member
     = You have to pass a quiz before posting which tries to inform you about basic forum rules, how not to get banned, maybe some basic English knowledge, etc. (Quizzes are pointless to stop dedicated spammers, since an answer key will quickly be compiled, but it may help in cases where clueless people are ending up here.)

Can't hurt to try something like this. At the very least, upon sign-up users should be required to read the rules and linked to some helpful guides like the Activity FAQ and how to earn here etc so it'll stop the same old questions being asked time and time again (and usually in the wrong section).