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May 17, 2018, 01:18:35 PM
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Suchmoon tagged me after I bumped my application, be blind and refuse to accept that he is abusing his position.

Suchmoon has been very clear why he has tagged you.

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- Offering a questionable service in a self-moderated thread
- Claiming abilities that you don't possess
- Lacking any trade history
- Providing one vouch/reference - yourself
- Requesting upfront payment without escrow
- Admitting that you will abscond with the money if you don't succeed

As a result of that tag, people see "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" under your name. That would seem a perfectly reasonable trust feedback. It is there to warn people that they stand a very high probability of losing their money if they take up your service. That is not an abuse.


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May 17, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
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Suchmoon tagged me after I bumped my application, be blind and refuse to accept that he is abusing his position.

Suchmoon has been very clear why he has tagged you.

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- Claiming abilities that you don't possess
- Lacking any trade history
- Providing one vouch/reference - yourself
- Requesting upfront payment without escrow
- Admitting that you will abscond with the money if you don't succeed

As a result of that tag, people see "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" under your name. That would seem a perfectly reasonable trust feedback. It is there to warn people that they stand a very high probability of losing their money if they take up your service. That is not an abuse.



That is abuse, I have my own terms in the OP, read them to understand. he tagged me for the second time after I pointed out his mistake. for me to be a scammer I must have attempted to scam somebody, my service is not to scam people. but you are obviously in suchmoon pocket for supporting him.

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May 17, 2018, 04:21:56 PM
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That is abuse, I have my own terms in the OP, read them to understand.

You are the one that needs to understand that your terms are the cause of the problem.

he tagged me for the second time after I pointed out his mistake.

He didn't make a mistake, he just needed to further explain his reason because you were to thick to understand the first time.

for me to be a scammer I must have attempted to scam somebody, my service is not to scam people.

Your terms would lead someone to pay for a service you cannot deliver with no possibility of a refund. That could be seen as attempting to scam people by anyone with a straight train of thought.

but you are obviously in suchmoon pocket for supporting him.

I have never had any dealings with suchmoon and have nothing to gain here. I'm just pointing out what is blindingly obvious.

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May 17, 2018, 04:47:39 PM
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That is abuse, I have my own terms in the OP, read them to understand. he tagged me for the second time after I pointed out his mistake. for me to be a scammer I must have attempted to scam somebody, my service is not to scam people. but you are obviously in suchmoon pocket for supporting him.

I see you're spreading the lies in two threads now. Is that your strategy of getting the red tag removed? It's not working.

I added the second neg after you refused to read the reference on my original rating and started insinuating that I tagged you for your merit application (another lie that you keep repeating despite being told otherwise).

You also keep talking about my "personal gain", or someone being in my "pocket" - you better come up with some proof quickly because right now you sound like you're lying your ass off.

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May 17, 2018, 07:40:20 PM
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If anybody has been a victim to suchmoon's abuse of power, this is your chance to be heard, let us pile up evidences against him. hire me to spend my time and bring abusers to light of justice, if I'm going to spend my time on cases, I would need money, otherwise I could spend my time on earning money doing something else, if I ask for money is because spending time on these cases could render me unable to earn money for my own needs. this is a serious business.

Read this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3779450.msg37186942#msg37186942

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Now that you have received a negative feedback of your own and have proven to be unable to remove it, you have decided to double your prices for the service. Can you please explain that to me? I am at a loss trying to figure that one out.

Service Asks for .01
Service fails first job
Service Doubles price
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There are not enough cases worthy of dispute and my time, hence I increased the fee. I can't force anybody to remove their tags, it's them who'd have to reconsider on their tags. if there is enough evidence of illegit red tags, all I can do is to point them out for people to see, while earning money for spending my time.

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May 17, 2018, 08:32:07 PM
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If anybody has been a victim to suchmoon's abuse of power, this is your chance to be heard, let us pile up evidences against him. hire me to spend my time and bring abusers to light of justice

So you want other people to come forward with their evidence and essentially do your job for you, for free? Why would anybody want to pay you to research suchmoon's "abuse" if they are also providing the evidence.

I could spend my time on earning money doing something else, if I ask for money is because spending time on these cases could render me unable to earn money for my own needs. this is a serious business.

I highly suggest you go do that "something else". This is not a profitable venture for you. I don't believe anybody here honestly cares about your needs, and this business you are running is less serious than a toddler.

There are not enough cases ... hence I increased the fee.

You must understand how dumb this sounds, right? There is nobody interested in your service, therefore you are increasing the price. That's not how supply and demand works.

I can't force anybody to remove their tags

All you can do is present information that the person likely already considered before or after leaving their rating. You are offering to do nothing for a fee.
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May 17, 2018, 09:33:38 PM
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All you can do is present information that the person likely already considered before or after leaving their rating. You are offering to do nothing for a fee

Do you have a problem with that? don't use my service, why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.


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May 17, 2018, 10:35:19 PM
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why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.

What do you call someone who is willing to gets your money even if he wasn't able to do the job without giving a refund to the customer?
Even if you put rules, others have the right for not trusting you... You have to accept it and think twice about what you are doing.

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May 17, 2018, 10:38:47 PM
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I will advise you get the red tags off your profile first then we can begin to take you serious.
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Do you have a problem with that? don't use my service, why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.
You seem to be stuck on the "Negative Trust == Scammer" train. You do realise that "Negative Trust" is NOT just reserved for "scammers" right? It is simply a statement that "Person X does not trust Person Y because of #reasons". Other users are free to heed or ignore Person X's rating as they see fit.


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Looks like the perfect opportunity to prove your skills by defending your own case.

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Do you have a problem with that? don't use my service, why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.
You seem to be stuck on the "Negative Trust == Scammer" train. You do realise that "Negative Trust" is NOT just reserved for "scammers" right? It is simply a statement that "Person X does not trust Person Y because of #reasons". Other users are free to heed or ignore Person X's rating as they see fit.


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why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.

What do you call someone who is willing to gets your money even if he wasn't able to do the job without giving a refund to the customer?
Even if you put rules, others have the right for not trusting you... You have to accept it and think twice about what you are doing.

What do you call the lawyers? they can't always win but they get the money for doing their best.

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What do you call the lawyers? they can't always win but they get the money for doing their best.

Lawyers are providing a service others cannot do for themselves, and will have at least a chance of winning.


It has been pointed out by bill gator that not only are you not providing a service that the user could not just do themselves, but you are in fact barely providing any service at all:

If anybody has been a victim to suchmoon's abuse of power, this is your chance to be heard, let us pile up evidences against him. hire me to spend my time and bring abusers to light of justice

So you want other people to come forward with their evidence and essentially do your job for you, for free? Why would anybody want to pay you to research suchmoon's "abuse" if they are also providing the evidence.

I can't force anybody to remove their tags

All you can do is present information that the person likely already considered before or after leaving their rating. You are offering to do nothing for a fee.


Additionally, you have already admitted that you have no control over trust, and therefore no chance of winning:

disclaimer: you are paying me for my time, not for my ability to remove your red tags, I don't have any control over trust network, I could only point out abuse of power, this fee is for my time.

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why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.

What do you call someone who is willing to gets your money even if he wasn't able to do the job without giving a refund to the customer?
Even if you put rules, others have the right for not trusting you... You have to accept it and think twice about what you are doing.

What do you call the lawyers? they can't always win but they get the money for doing their best.

Digaran, the lawyer isn't doing his job in an open-air or in the street. He is doing it in the court, he tries to do the best he can in order to convince the judge that the accused person is innocent...
Who is the judge in your case? I think that you are aware that trust isn't moderated and even theymos couldn't remove it. Are you trying to convince depth1 DT to exclude depth2? well if you don't have solid arguments of abuse then good luck.

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why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.

What do you call someone who is willing to gets your money even if he wasn't able to do the job without giving a refund to the customer?
Even if you put rules, others have the right for not trusting you... You have to accept it and think twice about what you are doing.

What do you call the lawyers? they can't always win but they get the money for doing their best.

Digaran, the lawyer isn't doing his job in an open-air or in the street. He is doing it in the court, he tries to do the best he can in order to convince the judge that the accused person is innocent...
Who is the judge in your case? I think that you are aware that trust isn't moderated and even theymos couldn't remove it. Are you trying to convince depth1 DT to exclude depth2? well if you don't have solid arguments of abuse then good luck.

I don't care if I can convince DT members to remove their tags or not, I only can spend my time and defend people if they wish to pay me for it.

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Additionally, you have already admitted that you have no control over trust, and therefore no chance of winning:

Exactly, all I can do is spending my time if a client is willing to pay me for my time, if the tag is illegit, I can spend my time to point that out for DT1 members to see and reconsider on including or excluding people from their trust list= having a fair system at the end.

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Exactly, all I can do is spending my time if a client is willing to pay me for my time, if the tag is illegit, I can spend my time to point that out for DT1 members to see and reconsider on including or excluding people from their trust list= having a fair system at the end.

So what you are saying is, "Instead of discussing why your tag is illegit directly with the person who tagged you , let's add in an unnecessary middle-man - discuss it with me, and then I'll discuss it with them on your behalf. Also, pay me for this nonsense".

Got ya.

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Exactly, all I can do is spending my time if a client is willing to pay me for my time, if the tag is illegit, I can spend my time to point that out for DT1 members to see and reconsider on including or excluding people from their trust list= having a fair system at the end.

So what you are saying is, "Instead of discussing why your tag is illegit directly with the person who tagged you , let's add in an unnecessary middle-man - discuss it with me, and then I'll discuss it with them on your behalf. Also, pay me for this nonsense".

Got ya.

Why should I discuss the tag with abusers? they are the ones abusing, they are the ones who should be judged, they are judging people wrongfully and nobody is judging their actions, if I have to resolve the issue only with you after you have tagged me, you could dictate whatever terms you wish, that is wrong and that is abuse of power.

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