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[digaran]

Why should I be called a scammer by default? show me one example of actual scam.

Again, you seem to be on the "Red trust = scammer" train of thought.

Red Trust simply means that "Person X does NOT trust Person Y for #reasons"... it could be that Person X thinks that Person Y is a scammer, it could also mean that Person X has previously known Person Y to tell half truths and/or lie, offer dubious services, heavily edit posts repeatedly, show unstable behaviour, act irrationally and/or other "non-scam" behaviour that makes Person X consider Person Y "untrustworthy".


Additionally, a scam does not actually NEED to have "happened" for it to be labelled as a scam.

If a user was to post a thread titled "[ShitCoin Doubler] Guaranteed 100% ROI in just 24 hours for any Altcoin!", offering said service... and NOBODY actually sent any coins... do you think that the user who posted it should be tagged? or should the thread and the user go "untouched" until such time as some newbie sends coins and then complains?

If it looks like a duck... and it walks like a duck... and it quacks like a duck... it's probably a duck!

This is bullying. why would DT members keep tagging me after I have offered to help people in removing their tags? because they are bullies.

No... as they stated in the trust feedback... it was because you offered a service you could not actually provide. You called your service "Red Tag Removal", implying you could get Red Tags removed... when, in actual fact, you have no such power to remove red tags.

Had you originally set up your service as "hire me to present your case for red tag removal, success NOT guaranteed"... you might have got some raised eyebrows, and most likely ridiculed, but I doubt you would have been tagged for it.

Just my 0.00000002 btc as a casual observer of the recent happenings.

Again wrong. you shouldn't tag me red if I'm not a scammer and if you are DT member. if you don't trust me and you would tag me, why should I be called a scammer by default?

[HCP]

Can you please explain to me how it is "wrong"? Why would you be called a scammer by default?

Trust ratings are open... comments and references are publicly displayed so people can read and understand why particular ratings have been left.

As I understand it... Red Trust does not automatically equal "scammer". If you choose to interpret red trust that way, that's your prerogative, but that's not my understanding of what it means.

[digaran]

Can you please explain to me how it is "wrong"? Why would you be called a scammer by default?

Trust ratings are open... comments and references are publicly displayed so people can read and understand why particular ratings have been left.

As I understand it... Red Trust does not automatically equal "scammer". If you choose to interpret red trust that way, that's your prerogative, but that's not my understanding of what it means.

What you are saying is that I should always agree with DT members otherwise I could get tagged by any of them at any given time. that is per-definition bullshit, pardon my language.
Suchmoon first tagged me with a bullshit excuse, that is a personal use of his DT power, in his first tag on me there is no mention of

- Offering a questionable service in a self-moderated thread
- Claiming abilities that you don't possess
- Lacking any trade history
- Providing one vouch/reference - yourself
- Requesting upfront payment without escrow
- Admitting that you will abscond with the money if you don't succeed

That could only mean that he used his DT power as a personal tool of bullying, then he tagged me the second time, now tell me, why should I be called a scammer if I have asked for money in exchange for my time? if I'm not a lawyer, who made him a judge? whoever made him a judge should also care about his actions.

Now this one from marlboroza:

This user continues to spread lies, harassing forum members, DT and moderators/stuff, running very shady law practice service which consist of trolling DT members and spreading lies all over the forum.

Why would he care if I'm spreading lies and trolling? who is he to damage my reputation and paint me red by default? where are the lies and trolling? moreover, you should report me if you see me trolling, if after reporting, no moderator actions were taken, tagging me is equal to deciding for moderators, that means marlboroza didn't like it when mods didn't delete my trolling posts and he decided to take the matters into his own hands and tag me red.

If what I'm saying is not sweet for DT members, tagging me by them is per-definition abuse of power, because they didn't like what I was saying. so they decided to tag me red instead.

Now actmyname:

Wanted to charge people to remove red tags.

I have absolutely no power in this forum. all I did was suggesting/hinting for DT members to tell them that we shouldn't be allowed to be the only ones capable of removing the tags, there should be a protocol to prevent any possible abuse of power. for instance: if you could only buy a copper membership by paying to a designated address, there will be a record for your transaction and you'd have a TXID to back your claim of payment.

But now with DT members, it would be like giving them access to whitelist members to have the perks of a copper member without them actually paying.  but if there is a standard protocol to follow, we could remove the red tags conditionally without giving DT members any chance of abusing their power for personal gains.

How would you know if marlboroza didn't ask for money to change his first tag on me? you don't and I could set him up easily just to get back at him, doing that would only cause more unwanted discussions. but if there was a system where I could for example report some garbage posts and only then my red tag could be removed, we could have eliminated all the possible ways for colluding and for any personal use of DT power.

My man, if I have weak command of English, and am unable to express my opinions perfectly, please don't take it on me by tagging me. I have no intention of scamming or stealing money from anybody here. this is again me repeating myself. this is why I would say that they are harassing me with their DT power. I have already explained myself here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3502223.msg36179276#msg36179276

[suchmoon]

Suchmoon first tagged me with a bullshit excuse, that is a personal use of his DT power, in his first tag on me there is no mention of

- Offering a questionable service in a self-moderated thread
- Claiming abilities that you don't possess
- Lacking any trade history
- Providing one vouch/reference - yourself
- Requesting upfront payment without escrow
- Admitting that you will abscond with the money if you don't succeed

That could only mean that he used his DT power as a personal tool of bullying, then he tagged me the second time, now tell me, why should I be called a scammer if I have asked for money in exchange for my time? if I'm not a lawyer, who made him a judge? whoever made him a judge should also care about his actions.

You refused to read the reference on my first feedback and you're known to edit your posts (and you did edit the OP of this thread many times) so I added an explanation what "shady shit" you had engaged in, particularly in the context of your earlier suggestions that scammers should be able to buy their way out of red trust.

[actmyname]

How would you know if marlboroza didn't ask for money to change his first tag on me?

Whether he did or he didn't, it doesn't change your feedback.

you don't and I could set him up easily just to get back at him, doing that would only cause more unwanted discussions.

?

but if there was a system where I could for example report some garbage posts and only then my red tag could be removed, we could have eliminated all the possible ways for colluding and for any personal use of DT power.

So you want scammers to be able to scam again? You could say this is a strawman but you would still have to consider the consequence of allowing scammers to have a way of removing their red tag.

[HCP]

Can you please explain to me how it is "wrong"? Why would you be called a scammer by default?

What you are saying is that I should always agree with DT members otherwise I could get tagged by any of them at any given time. that is per-definition bullshit, pardon my language.

I'll pardon the language, but I won't pardon you putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.

I never stated that you should always agree with DT members. I frequently don't. All I asked was for you to clarify how my definition of "Red Trust == Person X does not trust Person Y for #reasons" is, in your opinion, "wrong"? And, secondly, define what you mean by "being called a scammer by default".

I have stated what my interpretation of "Red Trust" is... am I correct that yours is simply "Red Trust == scammer"?

[digaran]

Can you please explain to me how it is "wrong"? Why would you be called a scammer by default?

What you are saying is that I should always agree with DT members otherwise I could get tagged by any of them at any given time. that is per-definition bullshit, pardon my language.

I'll pardon the language, but I won't pardon you putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.

I never stated that you should always agree with DT members. I frequently don't. All I asked was for you to clarify how my definition of "Red Trust == Person X does not trust Person Y for #reasons" is, in your opinion, "wrong"? And, secondly, define what you mean by "being called a scammer by default".

I have stated what my interpretation of "Red Trust" is... am I correct that yours is simply "Red Trust == scammer"?

But if I could only have a free pass and not get tagged is by agreeing with DT members, that is slavery. and yes I should scam somebody to get tagged red.

You can't point to a single scam attempt by me. tagging me red for everybody to see is wrong if I haven't scammed anybody. tagging people just because you don't trust them is fine as long as you are not a DT member.

How could you do that defending and acting as our lawyer when you yourself did not knew how to remove your own red tag you earned by harrassing and intimidating DT members, i think you should clean yourself first before making such statement.

@HCP, see what I'm talking about? people now are asking me why do I have a red trust if I can't remove my own tags, why would anybody take me serious and use my service? so DT members tagged me to say that I can't even remove my own red tags. that is trolling.

If a judge sentences a lawyer everytime that lawyer is defending somebody, it would render that lawyer's ability to defend people useless, DT2 members here are that judge and they are trying to obstruct justice. they are trying to troll me with their DT power.

Nobody tagged me before I started this thread. why? I was telling the same things before, they didn't tag me then. because they want me to be their little bitch. here digaran: be our little bitch or we'll tag your sorry ass because we don't trust you since you are not our little bitch. I'm not a little bitch. I will expose their sorry little asses one by one. I'm just getting started. I will start soon by questioning even theymos himself. don't get me wrong, I have no power here. I just hate hypocrites and corruption. if theymos is willing to close his eyes to abuse of power of his little slaves just to have them at their current position= keep being his slaves, this is wrong and unfair to me. I will not stand it. if he wants me to shut up, the only way is by banning me. then we'll know where he stands, we'll know if he is also a hypocrite or not.

I will question anybody as long as it is within reason. if I'm stopped by them, we'll know they are not reasonable people and they don't deserve our love and respect. if I say that theymos is indifferent to everything that happens here and I get banned, we'll know that he is also abusing his power, he shouldn't do that. I want a fair system for everybody to coexist peacefully without fighting all the time.

People keep tagging each other just because they feel it that way, is wrong. it will never end and all it can cause is more hatred and more fighting. I refuse to bend to the wills of a selected group of rich people. I have dignity and integrity. this is me. now tag me all you want.

[digaran]

How would you know if marlboroza didn't ask for money to change his first tag on me?

Whether he did or he didn't, it doesn't change your feedback.

you don't and I could set him up easily just to get back at him, doing that would only cause more unwanted discussions.

?

but if there was a system where I could for example report some garbage posts and only then my red tag could be removed, we could have eliminated all the possible ways for colluding and for any personal use of DT power.

So you want scammers to be able to scam again? You could say this is a strawman but you would still have to consider the consequence of allowing scammers to have a way of removing their red tag.

No I want you to take back the scammed money by tricking them. easy. you'd take their money first and remove your tag on them, after the first post by them you could tag them immediately and ask for a larger amount of fine. keep doing that and take back the scammed money. never give a actual free pass to scammers though.

[suchmoon]

If a judge sentences a lawyer everytime that lawyer is defending somebody, it would render that lawyer's ability to defend people useless, DT2 members here are that judge and they are trying to obstruct justice. they are trying to troll me with their DT power.

You're not a lawyer. This is not a courtroom. You're not sentenced. You have well-deserved warnings on your feedback page that document certain facts about your behavior. If you don't like that - look in the mirror. Feedback is based on your own actions and your own words.

You can still proceed with your service. What is stopping you?

No I want you to take back the scammed money by tricking them. easy. you'd take their money first and remove your tag on them, after the first post by them you could tag them immediately and ask for a larger amount of fine. keep doing that and take back the scammed money. never give a actual free pass to scammers though.

[digaran]

Bump. free service here.

[endlasuresh]

Bump. free service here.

I will be your client, let do something for me.

[digaran]

Bump. free service here.

I will be your client, let do something for me.

Are you referring to Lauda's tag on you? you were found guilty of bumping ANN threads. do you have any evidence to back your claim of being a victim of power abuse by Lauda? I need you to be honest with me here. if you were tagged wrongfully.

Here is what I'd suggest you to do:

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?
Disclaimer: I am against ANN bumping services. I might as well tag you if I find you guilty, however I believe in second chances and I believe that Lauda should at least consider giving you another chance if there is any sign of remorse.
Tell me, what have you done ever since? other than attacking Lauda? because in this case she/he is the judge and we all know that you should never insult a judge.

[suchmoon]

what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag?

Not a good choice of words considering the circumstances.

[digaran]

what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag?

Not a good choice of words considering the circumstances.

Don't you have a wife or something? man you are trying to fack me with every chance you get.

Did you also tag me for my wrong wording? because I can't see your tags on anybody anymore.

[deerlion]

so the lawyer here has red tag himself?  He can't even get his own red trust removed, how can he get anyone else's removed?

[o_e_l_e_o]

so the lawyer here has red tag himself?  He can't even get his own red trust removed, how can he get anyone else's removed?

This is what we've been asking for about 15 pages of discussion across 3 or 4 threads. We are yet to receive a coherent answer.

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

Your advice is "Don't be rude and ask them nicely"? This is your service? This is what you were trying to charge BTC0.02 for? Wow.

[digaran]

so the lawyer here has red tag himself?  He can't even get his own red trust removed, how can he get anyone else's removed?

This is what we've been asking for about 15 pages of discussion across 3 or 4 threads. We are yet to receive a coherent answer.

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

Your advice is "Don't be rude and ask them nicely"? This is your service? This is what you were trying to charge BTC0.02 for? Wow.

This is what you get for free.

[endlasuresh]

Bump. free service here.

I will be your client, let do something for me.

Are you referring to Lauda's tag on you? you were found guilty of bumping ANN threads. do you have any evidence to back your claim of being a victim of power abuse by Lauda? I need you to be honest with me here. if you were tagged wrongfully.

Here is what I'd suggest you to do:

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?
Disclaimer: I am against ANN bumping services. I might as well tag you if I find you guilty, however I believe in second chances and I believe that Lauda should at least consider giving you another chance if there is any sign of remorse.
Tell me, what have you done ever since? other than attacking Lauda? because in this case she/he is the judge and we all know that you should never insult a judge.

Sorry I never contacted to Lauda or any other person to remove or any help except in this thread. I am not interested to remove my past posts on anyone since they were against related to the thread.
Here I am giving answers and I don't need further help from you since I can't ask someone who did guilty.
1. I didn't insulted but they were against wrong decision.
2. Sorry, I wont do PM
3. Bribe ??
4. Never contacted and enough for me.

Thanks Ill be out from your services.

[digaran]

Bump. free service here.

I will be your client, let do something for me.

Are you referring to Lauda's tag on you? you were found guilty of bumping ANN threads. do you have any evidence to back your claim of being a victim of power abuse by Lauda? I need you to be honest with me here. if you were tagged wrongfully.

Here is what I'd suggest you to do:

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?
Disclaimer: I am against ANN bumping services. I might as well tag you if I find you guilty, however I believe in second chances and I believe that Lauda should at least consider giving you another chance if there is any sign of remorse.
Tell me, what have you done ever since? other than attacking Lauda? because in this case she/he is the judge and we all know that you should never insult a judge.

Sorry I never contacted to Lauda or any other person to remove or any help except in this thread. I am not interested to remove my past posts on anyone since they were against related to the thread.
Here I am giving answers and I don't need further help from you since I can't ask someone who did guilty.
1. I didn't insulted but they were against wrong decision.
2. Sorry, I wont do PM
3. Bribe ??
4. Never contacted and enough for me.

Thanks Ill be out from your services.

I never said anything about bribing, I said that you should ask Lauda about a cost, whether it to be doing something for the community to make it up or doing something that could change his/her mind. you never said why you think that your tag was illegit. you are just saying that it was without providing any evidence to back your claim.

My post above was an advice to try and rectify the situation, I wouldn't defend anybody if they are guilty.

[TheQuin]

I never said anything about bribing, I said that you should ask Lauda about a cost,

Do you not see the contradiction in that? If there is a cost involved in removing the tag then that is a form of bribery irrespective of whether that cost is financial or community service. I think this lack of understanding is the root of all your current problems.

I wouldn't defend anybody if they are guilty.

If a lawyer adopted that approach then they would have just appointed themselves as judge and jury as well.