Obama on NSA spying

[FCTaiChi]

The fact of the matter is that the United States, for all our warts, is a country that abides by rule of law, that cares deeply about privacy, that cares about civil liberties, that cares about the Constitution,” concluded the President.

This was the end of a speech about spying on the public. If this is a country that cares about the rule of law I, we're left to assume he meant secret laws.
Civil liberties? You mean like voting rights? If we have no oversight, how can you call it a democracy? They just do anything they want and say it protects us from terrorism. Sure we could vote them out of office when there is something untenable pushed through.. if corporations didn't have a stranglehold on the system. How can we even do that, though, if we don't know what they're doing? It would be very surprising to find out that there were not other secrets that are being kept from public view.
As for caring about the constitution, that's quite a joke. How can he get away with saying these things? In the mainstream media he is only questioned by republicans, who have no credibility in attacking him. They lost that after rooting for their heroes when they constantly obstructed democracy in Obama's first term.
The left-right paradigm is only bringing us closer to totalitarian democracy. If this was found out while a republican was in office, liberal minded people would be protesting. Now they are unsure, indifferent, and even defending the policy.

[Jcw188]

It's just rhetoric and unfortunately it's what most politicians have been reduced to. And the stupid American people (I am American so I can say that) fall for it and keep voting the same people in.

[Mike Christ]

This man is literally exploding with shit, he's so full of it.

[Wilikon]

It was amazing to see hardcore leftists defending everything he was doing simply because he wasn't bush. Sure he got a Nobel because of what he was supposed to do. "Give the guy some room, some time! We need 30 years to bring back the US from the bush years! Gitmo is evil! He will take care of it! Drones? Patriot Act? Listen to him! Of course I will vote for him! I mean look at that smile! Wow!"




Now what...

[Spendulus]

This man is literally exploding with shit, he's so full of it.

+1

[Spendulus]

It was amazing to see hardcore leftists defending everything he was doing simply because he wasn't bush. Sure he got a Nobel because of what he was supposed to do. "Give the guy some room, some time! We need 30 years to bring back the US from the bush years! Gitmo is evil! He will take care of it! Drones? Patriot Act? Listen to him! Of course I will vote for him! I mean look at that smile! Wow!"




Now what...

The Nobel prize is interesting.  In an era of postmodernist thinking, the script could have been rewritten to show the great deeds of the man who correctly was fortold to be The One by the giving of the Nobel.

And then he plain, simple, fucked it all up.  Liberals, conservatives, libtard, conservtard, libertarians, all gonna have to figure out some way to work together to pull out of the giant mess this guy has started rolling downhill.

[FCTaiChi]

It's just rhetoric and unfortunately it's what most politicians have been reduced to. And the stupid American people (I am American so I can say that) fall for it and keep voting the same people in.

Worst rhetoric ever.

Rhetoric was originally the third part of the trivium.  First grammar, answering who what where when and how.  Then logic, creating an arguement that comes from the answer obtained.  Then making a statement from this that can be easily digested by the audience.  This was the rhetoric.

Now it's just a method of sophist propaganda.

[Spendulus]

It was amazing to see hardcore leftists defending everything he was doing simply because he wasn't bush.....

Not really.  The smear campaign against Bush was well funded and started early.  What you call hardcore leftists were just the useful idiots of the moment.  They heard, they repeated, they hated like they were told.

[FCTaiChi]

Yeah controlled opposition is extremely common, unfortunately.

[User_513]

It was amazing to see hardcore leftists defending everything he was doing simply because he wasn't bush.....

Not really.  The smear campaign against Bush was well funded and started early.  What you call hardcore leftists were just the useful idiots of the moment.  They heard, they repeated, they hated like they were told.

ANYONE who believes that they have a right to install some 'leader' or another over their neighbors is a useful idiot to TPTB. If YOU have no right to force your neighbor to do something, how do you gain a right to grant to some politician to do that for you, magical incantations? 

[cryptasm]

Doesn't matter if the prez is republican or democrat, both parties want the all-seeing eye.

Snowden's xmas message:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqkpxMrxWkI

[Spendulus]

Doesn't matter if the prez is republican or democrat, both parties want the all-seeing eye.

Snowden's xmas message:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqkpxMrxWkI

Good find!  Except for those two revolting CNN bitches talking nonsense and the fact that the Snowden message was 9/10 cut out.  

Here is the real unedited video.  Worth mulling over, why was this unedited video blocked from Youtube?

http://vimeo.com/82666985

From the comments.....lol...

"Blaming Snowden is like blaming a child for exposing and embarrassing an abusive adult."

[undeadbitcoiner]

Where this cryptoworld went? From crypto to Critisizm

[Wilikon]

Doesn't matter if the prez is republican or democrat, both parties want the all-seeing eye.

Snowden's xmas message:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqkpxMrxWkI

You start from the right side or the left side of the pyramid, you eventually will end up inside the eye and forget even why you were climbing on the first place.

[Spendulus]

Doesn't matter if the prez is republican or democrat, both parties want the all-seeing eye.

Snowden's xmas message:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqkpxMrxWkI

You start from the right side or the left side of the pyramid, you eventually will end up inside the eye and forget even why you were climbing on the first place.

Or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWwGXIjxbnI

[Spendulus]

It was amazing to see hardcore leftists defending everything he was doing simply because he wasn't bush.....

Not really.  The smear campaign against Bush was well funded and started early.  What you call hardcore leftists were just the useful idiots of the moment.  They heard, they repeated, they hated like they were told.

ANYONE who believes that they have a right to install some 'leader' or another over their neighbors is a useful idiot to TPTB. If YOU have no right to force your neighbor to do something, how do you gain a right to grant to some politician to do that for you, magical incantations? 

Yep. I agree with all that.  Magical incantations of fear over global warming and climate doom help, of course, for the politicians to get the power over their neighbors that they want.

I was just going over the particulars vis a vis Bush.

Problem is you can't have your cake and eat it too.  Know what I mean?

[xkeyscore89]

The fact of the matter is that the United States, for all our warts, is a country that abides by rule of law, that cares deeply about privacy, that cares about civil liberties, that cares about the Constitution,” concluded the President.

This was the end of a speech about spying on the public. If this is a country that cares about the rule of law I, we're left to assume he meant secret laws.
Civil liberties? You mean like voting rights? If we have no oversight, how can you call it a democracy? They just do anything they want and say it protects us from terrorism. Sure we could vote them out of office when there is something untenable pushed through.. if corporations didn't have a stranglehold on the system. How can we even do that, though, if we don't know what they're doing? It would be very surprising to find out that there were not other secrets that are being kept from public view.
As for caring about the constitution, that's quite a joke. How can he get away with saying these things? In the mainstream media he is only questioned by republicans, who have no credibility in attacking him. They lost that after rooting for their heroes when they constantly obstructed democracy in Obama's first term.
The left-right paradigm is only bringing us closer to totalitarian democracy. If this was found out while a republican was in office, liberal minded people would be protesting. Now they are unsure, indifferent, and even defending the policy.

He didn't write that speech.  It's not to say he's not full of shit anyway.

[FCTaiChi]

Yeah..  he should be accountable for the words coming out of his mouth.  He doesn't come up with the policies he signs either. 

[bryant.coleman]

Yeah..  he should be accountable for the words coming out of his mouth.  He doesn't come up with the policies he signs either. 

lol... I have a feeling that Obama is not as aggressive and firm as his predecessor (Bush). 

[bitpop]

Getting sick of his name finally, glad he's almost out
Love the healthcare though