Phinnaeus Gage
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December 25, 2013, 01:53:29 PM |
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This is a good idea. Simply use an address as your password, they are random and secure. Plus you can keep it in a list or address book and no one would think it's a password.
And this is the exact reason why I don't put anybody on ignore, whether warranted or not, for you'll never know when they'll share a nugget. As far as I'm concern, it's a genius idea. And, who's to say you have to use one of your own wallet addresses? And, you could simply generate X addresses solely for password purposes, never funding them. ~TMI BTCITW EDIT: Upon reading the rest of the comments, I see that there may be some concern for such a practice. Surely, once a wallet address is generated, a character or two or three could be change so that your now new password can no longer be found anywhere on the internet. For instance 13Lfcc8obgmBDGadoPHu3MSbN4sjSyWWoN (just copied and paste from BC) would become 31Lfcc80bgmBDGad0PHu3MSbN4sjSyWW0N.
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kellrobinson
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December 25, 2013, 02:46:44 PM |
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use an address as your password
There's something missing here: namely, context. I don't see any mention in OP or the entire thread of exactly what you need this password for. That would help me get my teeth into this idea. For now, it's just airy speculation. Let's have a real-world example, something specific. Then let's examine the pros and cons.
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December 25, 2013, 03:33:10 PM |
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I don't think it is a good idea. How many BTC wallets are there? May be 2 million. If a hacker can use brute force method, using all these 2 million available passwords, then it can be easily cracked.
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whiskers75
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December 25, 2013, 05:33:39 PM |
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Use another bitcoin address private key as your password
FTFY ;P
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ISAWHIM
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December 25, 2013, 05:44:34 PM |
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I use "1" as my password on everything... Easy to remember and no-one ever guesses it... they always start hacking at 4 letters/symbols or more...
Great, now I have to change all my passwords!
You'll never guess the one I use next! It's not "2"... don't even try it! I was born at night, but it wasn't last night... It's another number!
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December 25, 2013, 06:07:12 PM |
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I must say you are genius who came up with such a nice idea of securing password but I guess by sharing it on the forum you have made it less secure as anyone who visited your post shall be looking if a person has two bitcoins or not.
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ISAWHIM
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December 26, 2013, 01:24:32 AM Last edit: December 26, 2013, 01:45:42 AM by ISAWHIM |
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A password-password! Why didn't I think of that before! Going to patent this now!
That is as redundant as sha-256ing a sha256ed password. You just created exponentially more encryption collisions to breach your own security, not halved them. (As one might think would be the effect.)
If "DOG" is the password, but encrypted it is "CAT", and double-encrypted it is "FISH"...
Now "FISH" can be found by finding any collision that "DOG" has, which also results in "CAT", which will then result in "FISH". Plus, the collision of "PICKLE", "FROG", "MILKY", which also have matching results for "CAT" which results in "FISH", because they are a collision of a collision. (Plus they have their own large number of collisions for each one of those too.) Thus, exponential answers.
Same with just a simple password that is encrypted. It has collisions, so you can guess the password or the collision, and get in. As opposed to just having a password as an actual password, where there is only ever one solution. (Though, it would have to be a good password, which is larger than any "secure" hash-value. Poof, instant thievery stumped, they will be searching for collisions where collisions never exist.)
P.S. "Great minds think alike"... No one ever said they think correctly.
And to think, everyone has a huge dictionary of pre-found hashes, and possible collisions, sitting right on the bitcoin chain, and all the other alt-chains. Tons of "password results". And uber-computers finding more every day.
So when a wallet-address has a collision, both the original person, and the new person have access to the funds. Start creating tons of addresses, and HOPE there is a collision! Free BTC! No password needed. The network will validate the collision address, just as easily as the original address. Since, by formula, they result in the same answer.
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December 26, 2013, 05:00:39 AM |
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There are 2^160 public addresses. So the thought of a hacker making a rainbow table is not possible. A public address is not a bad password. As long as you are generating it with truly random methods.
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bitpop (OP)
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December 26, 2013, 09:52:36 AM |
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This is a good idea. Simply use an address as your password, they are random and secure. Plus you can keep it in a list or address book and no one would think it's a password.
And this is the exact reason why I don't put anybody on ignore, whether warranted or not, for you'll never know when they'll share a nugget. As far as I'm concern, it's a genius idea. And, who's to say you have to use one of your own wallet addresses? And, you could simply generate X addresses solely for password purposes, never funding them. ~TMI BTCITW EDIT: Upon reading the rest of the comments, I see that there may be some concern for such a practice. Surely, once a wallet address is generated, a character or two or three could be change so that your now new password can no longer be found anywhere on the internet. For instance 13Lfcc8obgmBDGadoPHu3MSbN4sjSyWWoN (just copied and paste from BC) would become 31Lfcc80bgmBDGad0PHu3MSbN4sjSyWW0N. When they say security through obscurity, this is what they should mean. Kinda hurt I was on the almost ignored list haha Ps now that I've hopefully slowed down some thieves with this new idea, don't do it. But switching characters may help as he said. Or hash it eg 165 times
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Mowcore
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December 26, 2013, 10:54:48 AM |
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...rather than use another bitcoin address , use a random altcoin address!
Heck , make your own alt coin just to make your own passwords!
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bitpop (OP)
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December 26, 2013, 10:57:59 AM |
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...rather than use another bitcoin address , use a random altcoin address!
Heck , make your own alt coin just to make your own passwords!
Great idea, can't wait for the upcoming alt coin generator
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madmadmax
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December 26, 2013, 12:22:33 PM |
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Memorize a simple password in your head 1234BitcoinEater, then memorize the hashing procedure, e.g. SHA256(HEXTOBIN()) then use it as your password.
If you have multiple passwords you could combine multiple one way hashing algorithms and add 1 to the end of your memorized password, then every time you need a new one simply add 1 to it and hash the same way to get a completely different password.
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December 26, 2013, 01:14:23 PM |
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Memorize a simple password in your head 1234BitcoinEater, then memorize the hashing procedure, e.g. SHA256(HEXTOBIN()) then use it as your password.
If you have multiple passwords you could combine multiple one way hashing algorithms and add 1 to the end of your memorized password, then every time you need a new one simply add 1 to it and hash the same way to get a completely different password.
Here's another hare brained scheme for you guys to consider: - Take out your camera and take a picture. - Make a hundred billion copies of that picture and stick it everywhere. In USB sticks, DVDs, memory cards. Throw them around the house. Make sure a few tiny memory cards end up behind the sofa like loose change. Even wear one as an amulet around your neck. - Use the sha256sum of the picture as your password. Very easy to do on *nix sha256sum my_not_so_secret_pic.png
- And if you need multiple passwords just append a number: echo "1" | cat - my_not_so_secret_pic.png | sha256sum
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December 26, 2013, 01:55:27 PM |
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my recommendation is USE A PASSWORD that you ALREADY USE ON THINGS cause if u forget it, it's so long money
lol, and if a hacker gets access to one of your passwords, it's so long money. best ever
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madmadmax
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December 26, 2013, 02:37:27 PM |
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Memorize a simple password in your head 1234BitcoinEater, then memorize the hashing procedure, e.g. SHA256(HEXTOBIN()) then use it as your password.
If you have multiple passwords you could combine multiple one way hashing algorithms and add 1 to the end of your memorized password, then every time you need a new one simply add 1 to it and hash the same way to get a completely different password.
Here's another hare brained scheme for you guys to consider: - Take out your camera and take a picture. - Make a hundred billion copies of that picture and stick it everywhere. In USB sticks, DVDs, memory cards. Throw them around the house. Make sure a few tiny memory cards end up behind the sofa like loose change. Even wear one as an amulet around your neck. - Use the sha256sum of the picture as your password. Very easy to do on *nix sha256sum my_not_so_secret_pic.png
- And if you need multiple passwords just append a number: echo "1" | cat - my_not_so_secret_pic.png | sha256sum
Now we can tie our BTC to our testicles, thanks for the great info.
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kuverty
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December 26, 2013, 06:54:34 PM |
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Memorize a simple password in your head 1234BitcoinEater, then memorize the hashing procedure, e.g. SHA256(HEXTOBIN()) then use it as your password.
If you have multiple passwords you could combine multiple one way hashing algorithms and add 1 to the end of your memorized password, then every time you need a new one simply add 1 to it and hash the same way to get a completely different password.
Here's another hare brained scheme for you guys to consider: - Take out your camera and take a picture. - Make a hundred billion copies of that picture and stick it everywhere. In USB sticks, DVDs, memory cards. Throw them around the house. Make sure a few tiny memory cards end up behind the sofa like loose change. Even wear one as an amulet around your neck. - Use the sha256sum of the picture as your password. Very easy to do on *nix sha256sum my_not_so_secret_pic.png
- And if you need multiple passwords just append a number: echo "1" | cat - my_not_so_secret_pic.png | sha256sum
Now we can tie our BTC to our testicles, thanks for the great info. I use the SHA256 hash of a picture of me standing in my kitchen to access my Bitcoin savings. I did not store the picture to be safe, because I can always take a new one but no one else can get a picture like that. I have not stored the picture anywhere so it's like a brain wallet but I feel it's more secure as that's more entropy than I'd like to just remember. I hope my house doen't burn down... I don't think so but maybe I should consider printing such a pic and taking it to a bank vault
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t1000
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December 26, 2013, 07:33:32 PM |
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Memorize a simple password in your head 1234BitcoinEater, then memorize the hashing procedure, e.g. SHA256(HEXTOBIN()) then use it as your password.
If you have multiple passwords you could combine multiple one way hashing algorithms and add 1 to the end of your memorized password, then every time you need a new one simply add 1 to it and hash the same way to get a completely different password.
Here's another hare brained scheme for you guys to consider: - Take out your camera and take a picture. - Make a hundred billion copies of that picture and stick it everywhere. In USB sticks, DVDs, memory cards. Throw them around the house. Make sure a few tiny memory cards end up behind the sofa like loose change. Even wear one as an amulet around your neck. - Use the sha256sum of the picture as your password. Very easy to do on *nix sha256sum my_not_so_secret_pic.png
- And if you need multiple passwords just append a number: echo "1" | cat - my_not_so_secret_pic.png | sha256sum
Now we can tie our BTC to our testicles, thanks for the great info. I use the SHA256 hash of a picture of me standing in my kitchen to access my Bitcoin savings. I did not store the picture to be safe, because I can always take a new one but no one else can get a picture like that. I have not stored the picture anywhere so it's like a brain wallet but I feel it's more secure as that's more entropy than I'd like to just remember. I hope my house doen't burn down... I don't think so but maybe I should consider printing such a pic and taking it to a bank vault Oh dear.... kuverty, please tell me you are not serious.
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madmadmax
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December 26, 2013, 08:16:39 PM |
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I use the SHA256 hash of a picture of me standing in my kitchen to access my Bitcoin savings. I did not store the picture to be safe, because I can always take a new one but no one else can get a picture like that. I have not stored the picture anywhere so it's like a brain wallet but I feel it's more secure as that's more entropy than I'd like to just remember. I hope my house doen't burn down... I don't think so but maybe I should consider printing such a pic and taking it to a bank vault
My thoughts exactly, hope my balls won't gain volume, need to see my girl precisely every 2.432 days.
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kuverty
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December 26, 2013, 10:05:44 PM |
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Oh dear.... kuverty, please tell me you are not serious.
To ease your mind, I was trolling obviously. Figured it'd be all right in this thread...
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t1000
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December 26, 2013, 10:06:46 PM |
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Oh dear.... kuverty, please tell me you are not serious.
To ease your mind, I was trolling obviously. Figured it'd be all right in this thread... Phew . I can imagine some people actually trying this.
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