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December 26, 2013, 01:04:34 PM
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@Jollyburner

since the guy befor esaid that he likes who you think , I will say I like how you write or talk:).
Have you considered politics?

Because you managed to write .. what .. 40 rows of .. nothing.
You just said the stuff people already know about alt coins , clones with nothing better than a better reward for mining in the early stages.

and for the last paragraph  , this is not a new prince , this is a parasite feeding from the main crypto.
It brings nothing new but it lures victims into buying it , mining it and taking security as hashrate and investments as money from other coins.

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December 26, 2013, 04:17:18 PM
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@Rofo see moreover nothing may be more interesting to know how much this Graincoin may growth.
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December 26, 2013, 04:45:24 PM
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@Jollyburner

since the guy befor esaid that he likes who you think , I will say I like how you write or talk:).
Have you considered politics?

Because you managed to write .. what .. 40 rows of .. nothing.
You just said the stuff people already know about alt coins , clones with nothing better than a better reward for mining in the early stages.

and for the last paragraph  , this is not a new prince , this is a parasite feeding from the main crypto.
It brings nothing new but it lures victims into buying it , mining it and taking security as hashrate and investments as money from other coins.

ok well this is your opinion.

following this logic everything except bitcoin is a scam full of victims. I would then argue that BTC itself must be, were that the case.

imo there is nothing innovative about any of this, other than ease of anonymity. the crypto market itself is a speculative bubble tied to the perceived value of this anonymity and effectively free global transfer of wealth.

the point is that no one really understands the fundamentals behind the market and to argue as though there is some solid footing you are standing on is foolish. by your own reasoning all coins are taking away from BTC, but you wouldn't make this argument because it is absurd. so you arbitrarily decide which coins you feel have value, and assign the status of parasite to all those you don't, or which newly arrive on the market. again, I feel this is a foolish position to take.

I should take this opportunity to point out that I agree many of these coins are doing nothing different, but is there really so much value in providing some small new gimmick? I mean, yes there is, but also creating another brand of managed crypto does not add or detract from other coins, people in the market make their own decision as to which coins they should be mining, supporting, investing in, etc.

whether they are right or wrong, victims or not, they chose to leave another crypto for a newer, higher risk coin. this is how coins get started.

also to say taking security as hashrate from other coins is inaccurate, imo, the crypto market is more secure as a whole by having many different cryptos in the sense that an attacker must focus his attention on any one coin at a time, and cannot attack the majority of the market by focusing on a single target.

probably the biggest concern and problem right now with the whole crypto movement is the threat of government legislation or severe attacks on the network causing a crash of the market. were it not for these factors BTC would be trading much higher, as a secure investment with low inflation it is a very attractive prospect during a global economic crisis with no signs of end in sight.

once BTC has proven itself unstoppable it will rise to new heights, bringing the alt markets with it. it is in this new landscape that we will see a change emerge in the "parasitic" altcoin market, with institutional investment backing more and more alts that show promise as legitimate contenders in the market for BTC alternatives.

imo there is no reason at all why we cant have 20 or 30 or 500 legit, valuable, cryptos. it probly wont be 500, but you get the idea. not counting commodities or community rewards programs there are probably already >300 fiat currencies trading in the world. there are likely over 10000 community rewards programs which are arguably similar in nature to crypto, 100s of which carry higher market caps in perceived value and utility to the consumers using them than most alts.

do u really think there is more market cap in any alts right now than say, airmiles? safeway points?

in the end there is more than enough room for everyone, some alts will be small, others will grow stronger. I will guarantee you right now that some alts which were created recently will become players in the market, some yet to come will also make it. this is the reason people are willing to take the risk on new coins, it is the nature of speculation.

an efficient market is actually incredibly inefficient when not observed on a macro scale. individuals operating inefficiently against one another is what creates and guarantees the efficient market. EMH 101.

according to the same hypothesis, were there room for 1 new alt, 100 would be created seeking this wealth, most would garner some, and eventually the process of natural selection will result in the winner emerging victorious, its competitors slain, laying by the wayside along its path to glory. separating the wheat from the chaff, if you will. (thinly veiled grain reference)

since there are no barriers to entry, this is what we are seeing right now. with room for potentially dozens of new alts to gain significant market caps and increase greatly in value over the shorter term, well... hundreds of new alts.

while many may be scams, or failures, copy pasta, etc. to argue that they are all worthless and having some sort of detrimental impact to the market as a whole seems to me to be a naïve viewpoint on the matter, and one which is often expressed within the crypto community. tons of new alts with not much different to offer was and is the inevitable outcome of a very new and complex market getting some legs within mainstream investment circles.

and I don't feel like im saying things people already know, the facts im presenting as arguments are well known, but the lines of reasoning I put forward seem bereft of any exposure within this community ere I have writ them.

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December 26, 2013, 04:49:37 PM
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This thread: someone who has no idea about how a cryptocurrency work is wasting bits and bandwidth. Lol "the devs" is like "please close the coin servers!"

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December 26, 2013, 06:32:38 PM
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@Jollyburner

since the guy befor esaid that he likes who you think , I will say I like how you write or talk:).
Have you considered politics?

Because you managed to write .. what .. 40 rows of .. nothing.
You just said the stuff people already know about alt coins , clones with nothing better than a better reward for mining in the early stages.

and for the last paragraph  , this is not a new prince , this is a parasite feeding from the main crypto.
It brings nothing new but it lures victims into buying it , mining it and taking security as hashrate and investments as money from other coins.

ok well this is your opinion.

following  ....  wall of emptiness

I stopped at:
also to say taking security as hashrate from other coins is inaccurate, imo, the crypto market is more secure as a whole by having many different cryptos in the sense that an attacker must focus his attention on any one coin at a time, and cannot attack the majority of the market by focusing on a single target.

Please , read it again , and again and If it's necessary again and man , got a clue how many stupid things you type here.
What is easier to take down: 100 websites hosted on a vps or google with a ddos?

Now , to make you understand what kind of clone I would value:
One clone that is pruning the blockchain
Reduced tx size
A new form of identification for transactions , maybe a 2fa ? (although i have no clue how it will work?)

not name, block time reward funny logo or cool icon.
REAL IMPROVEMENTS.
and not one of a time , a few once.



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December 26, 2013, 07:00:49 PM
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@Jollyburner

since the guy befor esaid that he likes who you think , I will say I like how you write or talk:).
Have you considered politics?

Because you managed to write .. what .. 40 rows of .. nothing.
You just said the stuff people already know about alt coins , clones with nothing better than a better reward for mining in the early stages.

and for the last paragraph  , this is not a new prince , this is a parasite feeding from the main crypto.
It brings nothing new but it lures victims into buying it , mining it and taking security as hashrate and investments as money from other coins.

ok well this is your opinion.

following  ....  wall of emptiness

I stopped at:
also to say taking security as hashrate from other coins is inaccurate, imo, the crypto market is more secure as a whole by having many different cryptos in the sense that an attacker must focus his attention on any one coin at a time, and cannot attack the majority of the market by focusing on a single target.

Please , read it again , and again and If it's necessary again and man , got a clue how many stupid things you type here.
What is easier to take down: 100 websites hosted on a vps or google with a ddos?

Now , to make you understand what kind of clone I would value:
One clone that is pruning the blockchain
Reduced tx size
A new form of identification for transactions , maybe a 2fa ? (although i have no clue how it will work?)

not name, block time reward funny logo or cool icon.
REAL IMPROVEMENTS.
and not one of a time , a few once.




I agree with what you are saying, improving the methods is very important. not all coins will do that though, most will probably just do the same thing again with a different name. I am not trying to make a case for the awesomeness of a given coin, or the awesomeness of generic alt coins with no amazing new features. all im saying is they will exist and some will do quite well.

regarding the security angle I understand very little, I was simply referring to the fact that were the entire crypto market distributed evenly amongst say 10 top players holding 90% of the network by market cap, with none exceeding 50%, to me this seems much more secure than for example currently BTC holding 95% (?, ish? ) of the network by market cap.

currently to compromise BTC would kill the entire market. if it represented only 40% of the total, 60% of the market would remain unaffected, and further there would be somewhere for people to hedge that risk.

so basically I am not referring to the current situation when I talk about security, I am referring to the hypothetical market that should/will develop if cryptos prove sustainable longer-term, in which there is more than 1 key player by market cap. monopolies involving at-risk assets are prone to catastrophic failure. this is all im trying to say.

so again I agree with these most recent statements you put forth, coins bringing awesome new features stand a much greater chance of success, imo, but they will not be the only examples of successful crypto launches in the coming months.

I welcome further discussion of theoretical improvements to the security or features of new alt coins, although my technical understanding of this topic is quite limited. its definitely important to identify what constitutes a problem with the current implementations which could be improved upon with future releases, or a new feature which would add to the security or utility of a coin. this will give you a solid fundamental basis for investing in new cryptos which sport these features you consider important.

also discussion of these issues is what prompts further investigation by devs, if the market is saying "we want x" then that is what the marketers will bring you, if they know what they are doing. so please expand further upon your ideas and share them if you think there is value, this type of contribution to the community is one of the most important.

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December 28, 2013, 01:50:53 AM
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I researched it. It had moved to PoS only, so I bought based on no new coins. The devs fixed the PoW by dropping one or several blocks without discussion. They were silent until the fix came in. You can't research what the devs will do if they are silent.

They shouldn't have fixed by dropping blocks or forking. It destroys the integrity of the coin.
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December 28, 2013, 08:01:38 AM
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I panicked too early. The devs fixed the problem and the 1e6 coin showed in my wallet.

In the end, the fix was not a fork but a bulge (terminology borrowed from nucleic acid structural biology). 3 blocks were skipped.

I only posted here because I thought newbie status would last much longer.

Solutions are better than criticisms. I think this coin will be alright.

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December 28, 2013, 08:16:47 AM
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Altcoins serve a valuable purpose in that they attract investors and build the true capitalization (actual dollars invested versus "market cap", which is fanciful) of the cryptocoin market. The attraction is speculative, but it exists nonetheless.

As the true capitalization grows, it serves as ballast for the entire market, making each coin more stable and more likely to be a unit of valuation. In other words, as investment in the cryptocoin market grows, it is more likely that goods will be priced in cryptocoin.

If cryptocoin valuation ever happens on a large scale, then it will be transformative for cryptocoins in general. So, even though altcoins take away from the true capitalization of bitcoin, they do contribute to its underlying utility.

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December 28, 2013, 08:19:43 AM
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This is good, from what tx42 went through, I can see that Grain is a good coin...

Maybe you want to change the title of your post. I thought initially that you lost big in that coin.
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