Sh1337 is a scammer, beware! (UPDATE: LIAR AND A SCAMMER)

[dalamchops]

I sent the 10 BTC back to the address he gave me.

That very well could be the problem right there.  Were the coins sent to the address provided in the forum post or were they "sent back" to the address where they appeared to have been sent from?  If the original payment was sent using an ewallet provider, then "returning" the funds to that address are instead sent to an address owned by the ewallet, and will not likely go to the right account.

If this is what happened, that too will be verifiable in the blockchain.  So the question is, exactly was the address you used when sending.

[Edited to clarify.]

he has refused to shown prove that he has even sent the coins. I actually sent the coins from my mtgox account to his mtgox account, (in which the transfer does not show up on the block chain, and i had to have mtgox support verified to that he has the BTCs). That's why i chose to put up my wallet's address publicly and ask him to transfer to it so everyone can see that he's a scam.

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[dalamchops]

You're both scammers, and probably the same person, just trying to make one of your accounts look like a victim to get some rep in the community for a bigger scam. *Yawn* Too easy.

System of a down? Really? 

I'm obviously joking.

http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=67023

And i would relentlessly defend my reputation that i've built up the last few years.

[dalamchops]

You're both scammers, and probably the same person, just trying to make one of your accounts look like a victim to get some rep in the community for a bigger scam. *Yawn* Too easy.

System of a down? Really? 

I'm obviously joking.

http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=67023

And i would relentlessly defend my reputation that i've built up the last few years.

Tasteless maybe, but there was a joke in that last comment of mine. Highlight the small text, copy and paste it somewhere else and you'll see that. 

lol i see it now. Honestly if i were the guy and i was accused (provided innocence). I'd fight to the very end to defend my rep, but u can tell he's not even trying.

[Luke-Jr]

Sh1337, where is your proof you sent back the BTC? this is pretty much the equivalent of you shoplifting and getting caught, and you swear that you payed for it yet you don't have the receipt and there's no record of the transaction on the store's computer.

Hey now, innocent until proven guilty! Don't give into a police state: if a store's "alarm" goes off and they want to check your receipt, just keep walking. If they try to detain you, they must either accuse you of theft (with actual proof, not lack thereof!) or the person stopping you can himself be arrested. Let's not let Bitcoin's public transaction log be an excuse to switch to guilty-until-proven-innocent.

Edit: Yes, I have personally proceeded to leave a Walmart after their "alarm" went off, and refused to comply with Sam's Club's "policy" of checking receipts of everyone who leaves. The latter case, they actually put up a little argument, but I had cold stuff so I didn't have time to wait for police to arrest the manager. So in case you're worried about trying this, know that at least I have tested it in practice and not had any problems as a result.

[Sh1337]

What do you mean "he is not trying to defend himself"? I have done all that I can do. Everyone on this forum is pointing fingers at me, calling me a scammer. Why should I defend myself? I no longer feel welcome here. And I cannot open any "bitcoin client" and run a command, the only bitcoin interaction I've ever had was via Mt. Gox.

Now, dalamchops is sending me PMs threatening to get the police involved. Go ahead, call the cops, I'll give you my full address and full name. The police won't even knock at my door knowing that my retired chief of police grandfather and 13-year local police serving father reside there.

[dalamchops]

I've asked repeatedly for a screenshot of him withdrawing the btc to my address on mt gox. And all he does is stall.

[BrianH]

Upon receipt of the 1st 10 BTC, he has decided that i was not trustworthy enough, and he agreed to refund the 10 btc.

Really? Gee, that is believable.  

Lesson learned. Sending 10BTC through the internet is worse than sending $110 through the mail. You will never even know where this guy lives.

Why these people even bother to stick around is beyond me. Scurry off and create a new account and scam someone else. Maybe he is stalling to avoid an IP ban.

[Sh1337]

Upon receipt of the 1st 10 BTC, he has decided that i was not trustworthy enough, and he agreed to refund the 10 btc.

Really? Gee, that is believable.  

Lesson learned. Sending 10BTC through the internet is worse than sending $110 through the mail. You will never even know where this guy lives.

Why these people even bother to stick around is beyond me. Scurry off and create a new account and scam someone else. Maybe he is stalling to avoid an IP ban.

Pointing fingers and making accusations in a deal that didn't involve you shows how much of a dimwit you are.

[BrianH]

Mods - check Sh1337's IP with laydum.

[Sh1337]

Mods - check Sh1337's IP with laydum.

That is rather quite odd, I will admit, but merely coincidental. But we will wait for mods to check IPs.

[pekv2]

[Maged]

I sent the 10 BTC back to the address he gave me.

That very well could be the problem right there.  Were the coins sent to the address provided in the forum post or were they "sent back" to the address where they appeared to have been sent from?  If the original payment was sent using an ewallet provider, then "returning" the funds to that address are instead sent to an address owned by the ewallet, and will not likely go to the right account.

If this is what happened, that too will be verifiable in the blockchain.  So the question is, exactly was the address you used when sending.

[Edited to clarify.]

he has refused to shown prove that he has even sent the coins. I actually sent the coins from my mtgox account to his mtgox account, (in which the transfer does not show up on the block chain, and i had to have mtgox support verified to that he has the BTCs). That's why i chose to put up my wallet's address publicly and ask him to transfer to it so everyone can see that he's a scam.

Now that's interesting... However, I believe that any transfer to an existing MtGox Bitcoin address from MtGox would do the same, although I'd have to test it myself. In fact, hold on while I do test it.

[Maged]

I sent the 10 BTC back to the address he gave me.

That very well could be the problem right there.  Were the coins sent to the address provided in the forum post or were they "sent back" to the address where they appeared to have been sent from?  If the original payment was sent using an ewallet provider, then "returning" the funds to that address are instead sent to an address owned by the ewallet, and will not likely go to the right account.

If this is what happened, that too will be verifiable in the blockchain.  So the question is, exactly was the address you used when sending.

[Edited to clarify.]

he has refused to shown prove that he has even sent the coins. I actually sent the coins from my mtgox account to his mtgox account, (in which the transfer does not show up on the block chain, and i had to have mtgox support verified to that he has the BTCs). That's why i chose to put up my wallet's address publicly and ask him to transfer to it so everyone can see that he's a scam.

Now that's interesting... However, I believe that any transfer to an existing MtGox Bitcoin address from MtGox would do the same, although I'd have to test it myself. In fact, hold on while I do test it.

I have sent 1 BTC to 1Jo7oEXLzVq3h6Jq9FFZUnGaRT4te5zVdN from a MtGox account that I made, to another MtGox account I made. So far, I see no transaction on the Bitcoin network.

I have to ask that you submit additional evidence.

[dalamchops]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38496.0

I have asked MagicalTux personallly on IRC and he confirmed on here. I also have support ticket from Mt. Gox that they confirmed the BTC reached his account.

[dalamchops]

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2703/mtgox.jpg

[Maged]

Thanks, I believe that is enough to establish that the Bitcoins were sent to Sh1337. However, that was never in question, since Sh1337's story agrees on that point. What I need proof of is that the Bitcoins weren't sent back.

[dalamchops]

Thanks, I believe that is enough to establish that the Bitcoins were sent to Sh1337. However, that was never in question, since Sh1337's story agrees on that point. What I need proof of is that the Bitcoins weren't sent back.

That is public information. the address i told him to send the BTC to is address to my wallet, not MT GOX, I did that because i was suspicious and that if he was to send it (WHICH HE CLAIMS HE DID), it would show up publicly for everyone to see.

[Maged]

Sh1337, I have to ask that you post a screen shot of your MtGox BTC account history page. If you won't do that, I ask that you at least PM it to me.

[Sh1337]

Sent you a PM, Maged.

[Maged]

Sent you a PM, Maged.

*sigh*

Ladies and gentlemen, this whole thing was just a big misunderstanding, combined with a MtGox bug. What Sh1337 did was send the money to his own MtGox Bitcoin address, thinking that it was the address dalamchops sent from (he didn't see dalamchops' post until after he sent it), and it was removed from the account but never re-added.

Sh1337, contact MtGox and report this bug and ask that it be re-credited to your account. Once that is done, send the Bitcoins to the address dalamchops posted.