Barrier for newbies

[kalintura]

Merit system in my opinion was build as a barrier for new comers and gives an advantage to early adopters in terms of signature campaign.
It's purpose really effective to minimize shitposters?
Distribution of sMerit really given to deserving posts?

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[mk4]

Early adopters win in almost every single aspect, ever. Not only on bitcointalk, not only on cryptocurrency investing, but is most industries.

And yes, it might not stop people from shitposting, but it's effective in decreasing it, and helps filter out people who join signature campaigns. In my observation the only people who complain about merits are the people who couldn't earn them due to them not knowing enough and because of the unwillingness to study.

[CryptoEnthused]

It's purpose really effective to minimize shitposters?
Distribution of sMerit really given to deserving posts?

I don't think so. Shitposts will go on but without merit. And distribution of merit is not really given to deserving posts. Many posts are neglected and don't recieve merit. I've seen many such examples. This system needs revision. It feels kind of unfair that early users of this forum got merits automatically accordimg to their rank, even though many of those were shitposts and were still counted.

[mk4]

It's purpose really effective to minimize shitposters?
Distribution of sMerit really given to deserving posts?

I don't think so. Shitposts will go on but without merit. And distribution of merit is not really given to deserving posts. Many posts are neglected and don't recieve merit. I've seen many such examples. This system needs revision. It feels kind of unfair that early users of this forum got merits automatically accordimg to their rank, even though many of those were shitposts and were still counted.

What solution would you propose then? It would me a lot more unfair if the admins would just revert back the ranks of people who have been here since the beginning of bitcoin. If your posts don't receive merit, it's because it doesn't deserve merit. Simple as that. I personally am even more generous in giving merits to low rankers.

[edundayo]

Merit system in my opinion was build as a barrier for new comers and gives an advantage to early adopters in terms of signature campaign.
It's purpose really effective to minimize shitposters?
Distribution of sMerit really given to deserving posts?

There's no denying the fact the merit create some limitations.

However, barriers are only in the mind, like it is in life; what some sees as barrier is what others take as challenge to achieve the impossible. Btw, there is no rule, law or regulation that will favor all, just take National laws as a case study.

Form what I've learnt so far, the merit system still remains the best solution so far (at the moment), except of course you have a better solution, in which case, you can please share and it might just be adopted if, it's better and fool proof.

[CryptoEnthused]

It's purpose really effective to minimize shitposters?
Distribution of sMerit really given to deserving posts?

I don't think so. Shitposts will go on but without merit. And distribution of merit is not really given to deserving posts. Many posts are neglected and don't recieve merit. I've seen many such examples. This system needs revision. It feels kind of unfair that early users of this forum got merits automatically accordimg to their rank, even though many of those were shitposts and were still counted.

What solution would you propose then? It would me a lot more unfair if the admins would just revert back the ranks of people who have been here since the beginning of bitcoin. If your posts don't receive merit, it's because it doesn't deserve merit. Simple as that. I personally am even more generous in giving merits to low rankers.

The only solution seems to make less merits for ranks. 1000 merits for legendary really seems impossible. And I'm not only talking about my posts. They may not deserve merits but I have seen really good posts without merits. You may be generous but other people can oversee posts or just don't care.

[mk4]

The only solution seems to make less merits for ranks. 1000 merits for legendary really seems impossible.

Legendary rank should be a very very difficult rank to earn to start with. If a person consistently makes great and in-depth content, 1000 merits might be nothing. Also knowing that a single great topic alone can earn you 20+ merits or even more, depending on how good it actually is.

They may not deserve merits but I have seen really good posts without merits. You may be generous but other people can oversee posts or just don't care.

I don't agree with that. I've always seen merits of good posts; you might be referring to posts that are technically good but are answers that are commonly replied like "your best choice would be to use a hardware wallet because etc etc...." . There's enough enough sMerits in circulation for the good posts out there.

[Jet Cash]

The merit system is working well. I've picked up 338 merit since it was implemented, and I'm not even in the list of top awardees. Of course it is a barrier, that's it's primary function. If you want to improve your ranking by gaining merit, then please become a part of the community, and post as such. If you want to rip off the community by posting rubbish to scratch a bit of bounty, then stay in the cesspit without getting any merits. If you don't like the system, then there are alternative sites that will pay for posting, but you will still need to make decent posts.

[niven.alarac]

It is good having a merit system since you will challenge your self to gain more knowledge. If you are not receiving merit, then review yourself, ask the things why you do not earn it. The senior members are here first before us. They are pioneer in making our forum good place to stay.

[CryptoEnthused]

I don't agree with that. I've always seen merits of good posts; you might be referring to posts that are technically good but are answers that are commonly replied like "your best choice would be to use a hardware wallet because etc etc...." . There's enough enough sMerits in circulation for the good posts out there.

No I'm not talking about such posts. They are indeed common and don't deserve merits.
Okay, I agree that legendary should be hard to gain. But some people became legendary just for posting while others really need to work hard to get the same.
Also, what do you say about abusing system? I think many people may have several account and give merits to themselves or obtain merit in some other unfair manner.

[VictorOmosare]

I joined this website close to a month ago, today I decided to join an airdrop thread but the reply button had been disabled, when will I be able to join threads for airdrops and bounties?

[kalintura]

I don't agree with that. I've always seen merits of good posts; you might be referring to posts that are technically good but are answers that are commonly replied like "your best choice would be to use a hardware wallet because etc etc...." . There's enough enough sMerits in circulation for the good posts out there.

No I'm not talking about such posts. They are indeed common and don't deserve merits.
Okay, I agree that legendary should be hard to gain. But some people became legendary just for posting while others really need to work hard to get the same.
Also, what do you say about abusing system? I think many people may have several account and give merits to themselves or obtain merit in some other unfair manner.

I agree. Ofcourse hero/legendary account owner will always say merit system work well as expected.
I saw also post asking a question then got 8 merits and newbie  1 day account with got  10 merits in single post.

[mk4]

I don't agree with that. I've always seen merits of good posts; you might be referring to posts that are technically good but are answers that are commonly replied like "your best choice would be to use a hardware wallet because etc etc...." . There's enough enough sMerits in circulation for the good posts out there.

Okay, I agree that legendary should be hard to gain. But some people became legendary just for posting while others really need to work hard to get the same.
Also, what do you say about abusing system? I think many people may have several account and give merits to themselves or obtain merit in some other unfair manner.

Again, first movers advantage. And again, it would be a lot more unfair to the veterans if the mods/admins would revert back all the ranks.

Merit abuse is certainly a flaw, and is being closely watched by a good number of people here in the community. So it's being watched at a certain extent; and I suggest that you do too.
Relevant topic: LIST: USERS THAT ARE ABUSING MERIT SYSTEM

[HeRetiK]

Merit system in my opinion was build as a barrier for new comers and gives an advantage to early adopters in terms of signature campaign.

If you were here because you are interested in the community and to learn about cryptocurrencies, you probably wouldn't care about merits all that much, because ranks are little more than cosmetics.

If you are annoyed by the merit system, because you're only here for signature campaigns and bounties, I'd say that's proof enough for the merit system working as intended.

[kalintura]

Merit system in my opinion was build as a barrier for new comers and gives an advantage to early adopters in terms of signature campaign.

If you were here because you are interested in the community and to learn about cryptocurrencies, you probably wouldn't care about merits all that much, because ranks are little more than cosmetics.

If you are annoyed by the merit system, because you're only here for signature campaigns and bounties, I'd say that's proof enough for the merit system working as intended.

as expected.. no hero member said contrary to the merit system. I am not even against of it. i am just asking about the distribution of sMerit. Can you tell if this kind of post is legible to be merited by 8 from a single user? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3140323.msg32467777#msg32467777

[mk4]

Merit system in my opinion was build as a barrier for new comers and gives an advantage to early adopters in terms of signature campaign.

If you were here because you are interested in the community and to learn about cryptocurrencies, you probably wouldn't care about merits all that much, because ranks are little more than cosmetics.

If you are annoyed by the merit system, because you're only here for signature campaigns and bounties, I'd say that's proof enough for the merit system working as intended.

as expected.. no hero member said contrary to the merit system. I am not even against of it. i am just asking about the distribution of sMerit. Can you tell if this kind of post is legible to be merited by 8 from a single user? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3140323.msg32467777#msg32467777

and? The only people complaining about the merit system are the newbies and jr members that couldn't earn merits because of their ignorance when it comes to cryptocurrency and blockchain. I don't see new people that are really knowledgeable and earn merits complain about the merit system.

Also, please re-read what I just said recently. I even linked you the merit abuse thread.

Merit abuse is certainly a flaw, and is being closely watched by a good number of people here in the community. So it's being watched at a certain extent; and I suggest that you do too.
Relevant topic: LIST: USERS THAT ARE ABUSING MERIT SYSTEM

[sham100899]

Merit system in my opinion was build as a barrier for new comers and gives an advantage to early adopters in terms of signature campaign.
It's purpose really effective to minimize shitposters?
Distribution of sMerit really given to deserving posts?

Early birds catch worms, Not just in this forum but in all aspect of life. If you are asking the effectiveness of merit system, In my opinion, it is indeed effective to minimize shitposters in this forum, Imagine sMerit as a payment for you for being a constructive poster. The distribution of sMerit depends on the one who has it, think of it as a money anyone can give to whoever they wanted but in the majority, they are giving sMerit to those who deserve it.

[Ellie2316]

I kinda agree with you. It’s the merit system that become a hindrance to us newbie and also it’s somehow connected to the trust issues because in every campaign they priotitize those with higher rank. For me i don’t think that there’s a great gap between us newbie and those with high ranks because we can also do what they can do but the problem is that the trust of them to us is very minimal. I hope that someday it will change.

[mk4]

I kinda agree with you. It’s the merit system that become a hindrance to us newbie and also it’s somehow connected to the trust issues because in every campaign they priotitize those with higher rank. For me i don’t think that there’s a great gap between us newbie and those with high ranks because we can also do what they can do but the problem is that the trust of them to us is very minimal. I hope that someday it will change.

Why do you even rush getting higher ranks in the first place? If you're main goal is to join signature campaigns then the new system is working as intended, like HeRetiK said. Also, even with any other forum, don't expect same amount of trust between members who are registered for years and for members that are only here for a few months. This kind of trust is the same with any other forum or activity.

[HeRetiK]

as expected.. no hero member said contrary to the merit system. I am not even against of it. i am just asking about the distribution of sMerit. Can you tell if this kind of post is legible to be merited by 8 from a single user? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3140323.msg32467777#msg32467777

If I see a post worth meriting, I do so, regardless of rank. Don't expect merits for posts like these:

Advertising the project and you will receive token in return.

Sometimes only if I think it is a good project.

Yes it is but we must choose the a project which are have the potential.

Pretty much your whole post history consists of posts like these. Except for this thread here, were you now are complaining about not receiving merits for posts such as above.

I'm not trying to critize you, but trying to point you in the right direction. If you improve your post quality, you will be merited. If it's any condolences, you don't even need merits to rank up until Jr Member level. And even then you only need 10 merits to rank up to Member.