FREE MONEY! Wait what? Get outta here..

[zedicus]

Free money!  WTF!


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I cant believe i just got into an argument with someone over working and free money! The conversation was initially about the notion of free money! If 48% of the country is off handouts in one way or another( section 8, food stamps , general assistance)

Then why not just cut the red tape and just give everyone free money every month for doing nothing. Thats the argument that im dealt!


I was like what!!? You mean sit on your ass all day long without contributing to society in any anyway and get paid for it.. and take advantage of everyone else who works and pays taxes?? YEP!! Replied the arguee..



Man that would be aiding and abetting losers into a life of loserness! Im not talking about people who actually need assistance .. im talking about those who "choose" to life a life of dependance on purpose. People who are in your face like ---->>> "fuck you im gonna keep playing the system like its my job"!!


Its pisses me off that someone can work 20 years to save and own a home and the next door neighbor will have lived there for 10-15 years off section 8 paying about $140 a month for a home thats identical! A home you have to work 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week for to support you and your familiy.





As if i wasnt already irritated the conversation got sidetracked and the subject was working! The arguer was now saying thats its not uncommon in some society's that people dont work!



I was like what?! what kinda of nonsense is that! Where ever the **** your at you gotta pay for food, rent clothing, transportation at the minimum!!!?? I was like what are you talking about?

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!



Why is it hard to understand the process of working and getting a reward for working hard and the harder you work the bigger the reward! Regardless if your work is physical or not. This hand out bullshit is just nuts! Someone was telling me about someone they know who is getting a disability check for being an alcoholic..

I was like what!!! Evidently he convinced some board that 30 years of drinking and being a loser should equate to receiving free money and being disabled while everyone else who works, pays that guys way!!!!



What a bunch of bs! Im not critical of people who need assistance at all ... we all need help sometimes in one way or another and we all have our strengths a weaknesses but i think everyone can contribute! We are all in the same boat! It benefits everyone to be a halfway decent member of society no matter what you do!


Why does it feel like we are living in the movie "idiocracy"!





For those who have seen it ... ( UPGRADE IS NOT COMING!!! )
 lol

[Mike Christ]

Just remember that it was your tax money that paid for their education.  Let it sink in...

[zedicus]

Just remember that it was your tax money that paid for their education.  Let it sink in...

**** me.. lol

  it gets worse really and i understand.. Even when you zoom out a bit its like what the hell is going on here!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/us/billionaires-received-us-farm-subsidies-report-finds.html?_r=0



https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/12/more-than-70-groups-in-play-over-sn.html

[burnum]

Ha, funny I came across this tonight, so I just quit my job awhile ago - I quit- my friend today say's I should file unemployment , i tell him it does not work that way cause I quit and I am pretty sure the system is designed to help people who lose their job not those that quit, he says it does not matter just tell them it was a dangerous job (which it was) he is an employer and has been through the situation where an employee did that to them and the state did not care, now my friend knows I do not need the money, he say's what the heck "its free money maybe like half the amount of your check, why not?" I have no idea how to tell him that I have worked for everything I own and although its not alot, I earned it, I am just sitting on the phone confused, wondering how the hell people find pride in themselves taking a handout from honest working people, I don't get it, I would rather flip burgers than rip off my working friends.

[Lethn]

Welcome to my world, people on this forum are right when they call this a prison planet, the best thing I ever experienced was when I was playing Dayz and this guy came on asking if anyone else was on because of a teachers' pension strike we had here in the UK and I said "No, because I need to work for my pension". I think what pisses me off most of all is not the fact that working people are paying for these arseholes but as long as this current system exists our children and our children's children will need to pay it off as well and we're all going to be forced to work longer because of their fucking laziness.

I've actually been looking at the Caribbean countries lately out of curiosity and I am not surprised in the slightest that it's a favourite haven for rich people even though I don't like hot weather very much at all lol.

[zedicus]

I have no idea how to tell him that I have worked for everything I own and although its not alot, I earned it ..

Exactly!! Thats whats up man!!!
 
 

as long as this current system exists our children and our children's children will need to pay it off as well   

So messed up!! Its cold blooded!

[drb0n3z]

Free money!  WTF!


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I cant believe i just got into an argument with someone over working and free money! The conversation was initially about the notion of free money! If 48% of the country is off handouts in one way or another( section 8, food stamps , general assistance)

Then why not just cut the red tape and just give everyone free money every month for doing nothing. Thats the argument that im dealt!


I was like what!!? You mean sit on your ass all day long without contributing to society in any anyway and get paid for it.. and take advantage of everyone else who works and pays taxes?? YEP!! Replied the arguee..



Man that would be aiding and abetting losers into a life of loserness! Im not talking about people who actually need assistance .. im talking about those who "choose" to life a life of dependance on purpose. People who are in your face like ---->>> "fuck you im gonna keep playing the system like its my job"!!


Its pisses me off that someone can work 20 years to save and own a home and the next door neighbor will have lived there for 10-15 years off section 8 paying about $140 a month for a home thats identical! A home you have to work 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week for to support you and your familiy.





As if i wasnt already irritated the conversation got sidetracked and the subject was working! The arguer was now saying thats its not uncommon in some society's that people dont work!



I was like what?! what kinda of nonsense is that! Where ever the **** your at you gotta pay for food, rent clothing, transportation at the minimum!!!?? I was like what are you talking about?

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!



Why is it hard to understand the process of working and getting a reward for working hard and the harder you work the bigger the reward! Regardless if your work is physical or not. This hand out bullshit is just nuts! Someone was telling me about someone they know who is getting a disability check for being an alcoholic..

I was like what!!! Evidently he convinced some board that 30 years of drinking and being a loser should equate to receiving free money and being disabled while everyone else who works, pays that guys way!!!!



What a bunch of bs! Im not critical of people who need assistance at all ... we all need help sometimes in one way or another and we all have our strengths a weaknesses but i think everyone can contribute! We are all in the same boat! It benefits everyone to be a halfway decent member of society no matter what you do!


Why does it feel like we are living in the movie "idiocracy"!





For those who have seen it ... ( UPGRADE IS NOT COMING!!! )
 lol

To make that a little bit worse, almost every enlisted soldier from the ranks of E1 (Private) to E5 (Sergeant) is on food stamps or WIC because we make shit for pay....

[hilariousandco]

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

[Lethn]

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

lol yeah, I'm in the UK and you get those kind of racist morons everywhere, what they're saying is it's okay if you play the system as long as you're white, I'm getting sick of people who think they can ignore basic mathematics especially when I'm taking the time to learn it all properly. The best one is the government departments and public unions in this country, essentially their message is "Yes we agree that we need to make budget cuts to bring down the debt, no you can't do it to us" and they all say exactly the same thing which does actually make me feel sorry for the politicians in this country.

I am seriously considering denouncing my citizenship and moving to a country with a low tax rate.

[drb0n3z]

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

lol yeah, I'm in the UK and you get those kind of racist morons everywhere, what they're saying is it's okay if you play the system as long as you're white, I'm getting sick of people who think they can ignore basic mathematics especially when I'm taking the time to learn it all properly. The best one is the government departments and public unions in this country, essentially their message is "Yes we agree that we need to make budget cuts to bring down the debt, no you can't do it to us" and they all say exactly the same thing which does actually make me feel sorry for the politicians in this country.

I am seriously considering denouncing my citizenship and moving to a country with a low tax rate.

Hahaha, good luck on that man. Maybe we can buy an island with bitcoins?

[shorena]

Not sure wether I want to join this heated up topic or not, but since im writing it looks like I want to

First off, I understand both sides.
Doing nothing and getting payed for it? Feels wrong!
On the other hand, there are not enough jobs for everyone. With the industrial revolutions more and more low education jobs are gone.
I think noone really wants to sit on his/her ass and do nothing. But even if you get a fixed amount of money no matter what youd still want to do something, dont you? Maybe its something most ppl wouldnt consider working, but maybe cultural works like art, music or writing. I personally think these cultural works have a value even though you cant sell them (well some artists get good money maybe, but the majority doesnt). So society should pay for it, right? Or mabye reduce daily work to 4 hours and raise the payment so you dont have to work more.

Well in my personal case I wish I had some money so I wouldnt have to work to pay for university.

[drb0n3z]

Not sure wether I want to join this heated up topic or not, but since im writing it looks like I want to

First off, I understand both sides.
Doing nothing and getting payed for it? Feels wrong!
On the other hand, there are not enough jobs for everyone. With the industrial revolutions more and more low education jobs are gone.
I think noone really wants to sit on his/her ass and do nothing. But even if you get a fixed amount of money no matter what youd still want to do something, dont you? Maybe its something most ppl wouldnt consider working, but maybe cultural works like art, music or writing. I personally think these cultural works have a value even though you cant sell them (well some artists get good money maybe, but the majority doesnt). So society should pay for it, right? Or mabye reduce daily work to 4 hours and raise the payment so you dont have to work more.

Well in my personal case I wish I had some money so I wouldnt have to work to pay for university.

You never met my ex-wife. She definitely never wants to work a day in her life

[shorena]

Not sure wether I want to join this heated up topic or not, but since im writing it looks like I want to

First off, I understand both sides.
Doing nothing and getting payed for it? Feels wrong!
On the other hand, there are not enough jobs for everyone. With the industrial revolutions more and more low education jobs are gone.
I think noone really wants to sit on his/her ass and do nothing. But even if you get a fixed amount of money no matter what youd still want to do something, dont you? Maybe its something most ppl wouldnt consider working, but maybe cultural works like art, music or writing. I personally think these cultural works have a value even though you cant sell them (well some artists get good money maybe, but the majority doesnt). So society should pay for it, right? Or mabye reduce daily work to 4 hours and raise the payment so you dont have to work more.

Well in my personal case I wish I had some money so I wouldnt have to work to pay for university.

You never met my ex-wife. She definitely never wants to work a day in her life

Oh I know "these people" you think about, but depending on how you define work, they do wether they know it or not.
Maybe its consulting or doing hair or whatever, even the I play WoW 60 hours a week because I have no job guys I know do some kind of work and even if its writing a how to grind dungeon xyz in WoW guide. Its a basic human principle that we want to communicate and share.
I mean there is this social system that gives them money anyway, so why not give money to everyone else who is doing something besides filling forms.

[drb0n3z]

Not sure wether I want to join this heated up topic or not, but since im writing it looks like I want to

First off, I understand both sides.
Doing nothing and getting payed for it? Feels wrong!
On the other hand, there are not enough jobs for everyone. With the industrial revolutions more and more low education jobs are gone.
I think noone really wants to sit on his/her ass and do nothing. But even if you get a fixed amount of money no matter what youd still want to do something, dont you? Maybe its something most ppl wouldnt consider working, but maybe cultural works like art, music or writing. I personally think these cultural works have a value even though you cant sell them (well some artists get good money maybe, but the majority doesnt). So society should pay for it, right? Or mabye reduce daily work to 4 hours and raise the payment so you dont have to work more.

Well in my personal case I wish I had some money so I wouldnt have to work to pay for university.

You never met my ex-wife. She definitely never wants to work a day in her life

Oh I know "these people" you think about, but depending on how you define work, they do wether they know it or not.
Maybe its consulting or doing hair or whatever, even the I play WoW 60 hours a week because I have no job guys I know do some kind of work and even if its writing a how to grind dungeon xyz in WoW guide. Its a basic human principle that we want to communicate and share.
I mean there is this social system that gives them money anyway, so why not give money to everyone else who is doing something besides filling forms.

Heh, mine was a live off what I made and never add a dime type of person. I understand what you mean though. Some people are like this and some are just living off of everyone else!

[yatsey87]

Not sure wether I want to join this heated up topic or not, but since im writing it looks like I want to

First off, I understand both sides.
Doing nothing and getting payed for it? Feels wrong!
On the other hand, there are not enough jobs for everyone. With the industrial revolutions more and more low education jobs are gone.
I think noone really wants to sit on his/her ass and do nothing. But even if you get a fixed amount of money no matter what youd still want to do something, dont you? Maybe its something most ppl wouldnt consider working, but maybe cultural works like art, music or writing. I personally think these cultural works have a value even though you cant sell them (well some artists get good money maybe, but the majority doesnt). So society should pay for it, right? Or mabye reduce daily work to 4 hours and raise the payment so you dont have to work more.

Well in my personal case I wish I had some money so I wouldnt have to work to pay for university.

You never met my ex-wife. She definitely never wants to work a day in her life

Oh I know "these people" you think about, but depending on how you define work, they do wether they know it or not.
Maybe its consulting or doing hair or whatever, even the I play WoW 60 hours a week because I have no job guys I know do some kind of work and even if its writing a how to grind dungeon xyz in WoW guide. Its a basic human principle that we want to communicate and share.
I mean there is this social system that gives them money anyway, so why not give money to everyone else who is doing something besides filling forms.

Heh, mine was a live off what I made and never add a dime type of person. I understand what you mean though. Some people are like this and some are just living off of everyone else!

Sounds like you married a financial dominatrix.

[hilariousandco]

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

lol yeah, I'm in the UK and you get those kind of racist morons everywhere, what they're saying is it's okay if you play the system as long as you're white, I'm getting sick of people who think they can ignore basic mathematics especially when I'm taking the time to learn it all properly. The best one is the government departments and public unions in this country, essentially their message is "Yes we agree that we need to make budget cuts to bring down the debt, no you can't do it to us" and they all say exactly the same thing which does actually make me feel sorry for the politicians in this country.

I am seriously considering denouncing my citizenship and moving to a country with a low tax rate.

I have a love/hate relationship with this country. I love how we have free healthcare and a pretty decent/safe quality of life, but I hate how it's full of ignorant plebs and run by elitist thieving scum who do nothing but launder tax-payers money.

I'd like to fuck off and live somewhere else, but I'm sure I'd get homesick. England is still my home as much as it frustrates me.

[zedicus]

Person i was arguing with has been without a job for 10 plus years ... a habitual Leeher!

Basically sponging of the resources of friends and family until there is nobody left but family.


Now they are trying to rationalize the nonsense they are spouting by associating the government assistance with a permanent free ride on the backs and shoulders of people who work very hard for theirs!


I mean fuck! When i lost my job 10 years ago .. i looked for work and when i didnt find something that suited me.. I opened up my own business from home and here i am 10 years later still in business and doing well!! Keep in mind i was working for Bank of America doing individual retirement accounts in the federal building so i could have easily found work that wasnt to my liking or didn't suit me well.

You noticed i said a job that suited me!! Not this "there are no jobs blanket statement" that everyone who is sleeping till 3pm keeps yammering from the side of their mouth! There are jobs everywhere for skilled and unskilled works alike!
They just arent going to fall on your lap! You actually have to go find them, and fight for them .. they arent entitlements!


What pissed me off the most about the person i was arguing with is they said they didnt feel like they were leeching from the working class.. since they didnt "believe" that the taxes the working folks pay doesn't go to entitlements! The arguer started saying some shit like you dont "really" know where the tax money is going... 

I threw up my hands and walked away.. As i was walking away i was thinking wow.. some people are just a pathetic, sorry bunch of excuses wrapped in non-sense! Their cup is so full that all they can do is regurgitate the bullshit flying out of their trap!

If i had a tomatoes to throw at that moment i would have thrown one.

[t1000]

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

lol yeah, I'm in the UK and you get those kind of racist morons everywhere, what they're saying is it's okay if you play the system as long as you're white, I'm getting sick of people who think they can ignore basic mathematics especially when I'm taking the time to learn it all properly. The best one is the government departments and public unions in this country, essentially their message is "Yes we agree that we need to make budget cuts to bring down the debt, no you can't do it to us" and they all say exactly the same thing which does actually make me feel sorry for the politicians in this country.

I am seriously considering denouncing my citizenship and moving to a country with a low tax rate.

I have a love/hate relationship with this country. I love how we have free healthcare and a pretty decent/safe quality of life, but I hate how it's full of ignorant plebs and run by elitist thieving scum who do nothing but launder tax-payers money.

I'd like to fuck off and live somewhere else, but I'm sure I'd get homesick. England is still my home as much as it frustrates me.

Let's get something straight.

I am a non-EU migrant in the UK. You have no idea how hard it was to get my work permit.

I work, I pay tax, I have no access to public funds, no benefits, no housing, etc, etc.

I have to work for THE employer who hired me for the work permit, no one else, and if I stop working I will get deported.

When these racist morons babel on about welfare tourism by immigrants, they are only describing some EU migrants but most of them don't realise the difference.

[burnum]

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

lol yeah, I'm in the UK and you get those kind of racist morons everywhere, what they're saying is it's okay if you play the system as long as you're white, I'm getting sick of people who think they can ignore basic mathematics especially when I'm taking the time to learn it all properly. The best one is the government departments and public unions in this country, essentially their message is "Yes we agree that we need to make budget cuts to bring down the debt, no you can't do it to us" and they all say exactly the same thing which does actually make me feel sorry for the politicians in this country.

I am seriously considering denouncing my citizenship and moving to a country with a low tax rate.

I have a love/hate relationship with this country. I love how we have free healthcare and a pretty decent/safe quality of life, but I hate how it's full of ignorant plebs and run by elitist thieving scum who do nothing but launder tax-payers money.

I'd like to fuck off and live somewhere else, but I'm sure I'd get homesick. England is still my home as much as it frustrates me.

Let's get something straight.

I am a non-EU migrant in the UK. You have no idea how hard it was to get my work permit.

I work, I pay tax, I have no access to public funds, no benefits, no housing, etc, etc.

I have to work for THE employer who hired me for the work permit, no one else, and if I stop working I will get deported.

When these racist morons babel on about welfare tourism by immigrants, they are only describing some EU migrants but most of them don't realise the difference.

Eating it up, ya know the media has you targeted as a freeloader and protected by international law, they do not describe your struggle and the UK appears to have a strong stance against you, they are either unwilling to recognize how you contribute, or, your contribution is not enough when compared to their standards, keep your head down and do the work they obviously do not want to do, in the meantime you might think of migrating again, come to the U.S where our society is a little harder on you but on the upside, you can have a little freedom.

[t1000]

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

lol yeah, I'm in the UK and you get those kind of racist morons everywhere, what they're saying is it's okay if you play the system as long as you're white, I'm getting sick of people who think they can ignore basic mathematics especially when I'm taking the time to learn it all properly. The best one is the government departments and public unions in this country, essentially their message is "Yes we agree that we need to make budget cuts to bring down the debt, no you can't do it to us" and they all say exactly the same thing which does actually make me feel sorry for the politicians in this country.

I am seriously considering denouncing my citizenship and moving to a country with a low tax rate.

I have a love/hate relationship with this country. I love how we have free healthcare and a pretty decent/safe quality of life, but I hate how it's full of ignorant plebs and run by elitist thieving scum who do nothing but launder tax-payers money.

I'd like to fuck off and live somewhere else, but I'm sure I'd get homesick. England is still my home as much as it frustrates me.

Let's get something straight.

I am a non-EU migrant in the UK. You have no idea how hard it was to get my work permit.

I work, I pay tax, I have no access to public funds, no benefits, no housing, etc, etc.

I have to work for THE employer who hired me for the work permit, no one else, and if I stop working I will get deported.

When these racist morons babel on about welfare tourism by immigrants, they are only describing some EU migrants but most of them don't realise the difference.

Eating it up, ya know the media has you targeted as a freeloader and protected by international law, they do not describe your struggle and the UK appears to have a strong stance against you, they are either unwilling to recognize how you contribute, or, your contribution is not enough when compared to their standards, keep your head down and do the work they obviously do not want to do, in the meantime you might think of migrating again, come to the U.S where our society is a little harder on you but on the upside, you can have a little freedom.

May be one day I will go somewhere, still young.

Here is another joke for you. I have been in the UK for 12 years!