[Bounty] New GPU Miner - Scrypter

[DarkKnight]

It occurs to me that I posted my bounty in the wrong forum initally, so I am cross-posting it here, in the hopes that in the right place it will get more visibility. After careful consideration I'm also altering the goals. I expect this will require a larger bounty to accomplish, so I've added more to the pot and I'm hoping for donations to that end as well.

Any donations to this address will go 100% towards the bounty, which will be awarded to the first individual to complete all the objectives. I have sent .12BTC to that address, and it can be monitored so everyone can be sure that the complete balance goes toward payout.

If you want to donate, but want a refund if the bounty terms aren't met, PM me your donation amount and a refund address *before* you send your donation.

To be clear, you will only receive a refund on your donation if the bounty is closed without having been fulfilled.

The Bounty is closed.


General goals:

Create a new miner: Scrypter by forking CGMiner 3.7.2 and narrowing code for support of GPUs only.

Minimum Requirements:

• Miner must be able to properly control VDDC, Engine, Mem, Powertune, and fans for all the unlocked R9 280x cards in a given rig.
• Enable Scrypt by default, no CLI switch should be needed
• Remove ASIC/FPGA code, drivers, and CLI options from the code base.
• All code must be open sourced, prior to claiming the bounty, so it can be inspected.
• Windows Binaries must be provided.
• Stable Code - must run minimum 24 hours without crashing

Optional: Support Scrypt-Jane.

Notes:

Some GPUs are voltage locked, and will not be covered under this task. The cards that I have: Asus R9 280x DCII & Sapphire R9 280x Toxic can be controlled via OEM tools such as Afterburner, Trixx, & GPU Tweak. Those cards must be able to be VDDC controlled via the miner. Currently CGMiner 3.7.2 can control the Engine, Mem, & Fans. Powertune can be controlled, but it doesn't seem reliable.

To claim the bounty, you must be the first to PM me a link to your complete github source AND a link to your Windows binary (hosted via Mega/dropbox or other 'no wait' download provider).  

There will be a 24-48 hour inspection and testing period to determine if the objectives have been correctly met before the bounty is considered won.

[DarkKnight]

reserved

[padrino]

Recommendation, the reliability will depend upon the characteristics of the clocking on the GPUs, and general health of the GPUs themselves. You might wnat to limit the claim of relability to default engine/memory clocks for the purposes of qualifying it... In addiiton you are correct it might take more then what you are offering..

Outside of the VDDC control I have 3.7.2 running for days/weeks at a time without one issue, none of the ASIC/FPGA code is compiled in (by default they are off) so it's all good.. Now focusing on improvements would be another matter entirely and perhaps this is a good way to kick that off..

[DarkKnight]

Recommendation, the reliability will depend upon the characteristics of the clocking on the GPUs, and general health of the GPUs themselves. You might wnat to limit the claim of relability to default engine/memory clocks for the purposes of qualifying it... In addiiton you are correct it might take more then what you are offering..

Outside of the VDDC control I have 3.7.2 running for days/weeks at a time without one issue, none of the ASIC/FPGA code is compiled in (by default they are off) so it's all good.. Now focusing on improvements would be another matter entirely and perhaps this is a good way to kick that off..

My rigs are running stable enough at this point where they only time they stop is when I run a maintenance cycle. The crashing I was referring to, would not mean sick/dead devices from overclocking and/or undervolting.

Also, I'm hoping for donations toward the cause to spur development. I'll leave it open for a few days and if no one else wants to make a meaningful donation toward development, I'll close the bounty and simply keep controlling VDDC via OEM tools.

I too would like to see speed improvements, however I think it's best that those come on the foundation of a clean code base already specialized to AMD GPUs. Further, based on other topics, the real speed-ups will come from improvements to the kernel, which isn't being developed anymore either. I'm also unwilling to be the solo donor to spurring kernel developments that would give speed improvements for everyone, but I will donate for a ASIC/FPGA free codebase.

[Luke-Jr]

What's the point to removing ASIC/FPGA/SHA2 support?
If someone wanted an enhanced scrypt miner, the logical move would be to join the BFGMiner team and improve it there...

[DarkKnight]

What's the point to removing ASIC/FPGA/SHA2 support?
If someone wanted an enhanced scrypt miner, the logical move would be to join the BFGMiner team and improve it there...

What was the point in removing GPU support from CGMiner after 3.7.2?

The point is to promote GPU mining software development, with a GPU specialized mining software tool.

BFGMiner - a modular ASIC/FPGA Bitcoin miner
bfgminer.org/‎
BFGMiner. a modular ASIC/FPGA Bitcoin miner. Last version: 3.9.0. Windows 32bit - Windows 64bit. Ubuntu: PPA mantained by "unit3" Arch: pacman -S ...

Why would the logical move for an individual, that uses GPUs for mining, to help support an application (BFGMiner) that bills itself as an ASIC/FPGA Miner? ASIC/FPGAs quite literally killed SHA256 GPU mining. Its a competition. Keep Scrypt GPU hash rates/watt high enough, FPGAs look much less attractive, slowing sales and development; keeping Scrypt GPU only, longer. That to me is the logical move.

[Shadow_Runner]

Must choose second GPU without errors by command line for users with nVidia + AMD installed

[Spiffy_1]

Keeping an eye on this.. cgminer and bfgminer have made me plenty of money.  I did find a few tweaks to strip out unneeded code to get my 7950's running a bit better(10 khps).  Still using 3.2.2.  Would be nice to update to something a little faster but it seems that as the authors went asic crazy, the scrypt performance went down.

[Luke-Jr]

What's the point to removing ASIC/FPGA/SHA2 support?
If someone wanted an enhanced scrypt miner, the logical move would be to join the BFGMiner team and improve it there...

What was the point in removing GPU support from CGMiner after 3.7.2?

The point is to promote GPU mining software development, with a GPU specialized mining software tool.

Who knows. cgminer isn't exactly a sensible choice in the first place.
BFGMiner 3.9.0 still has CPU and GPU support.

BFGMiner - a modular ASIC/FPGA Bitcoin miner
bfgminer.org/‎
BFGMiner. a modular ASIC/FPGA Bitcoin miner. Last version: 3.9.0. Windows 32bit - Windows 64bit. Ubuntu: PPA mantained by "unit3" Arch: pacman -S ...

Why would the logical move for an individual, that uses GPUs for mining, to help support an application (BFGMiner) that bills itself as an ASIC/FPGA Miner? ASIC/FPGAs quite literally killed SHA256 GPU mining. Its a competition. Keep Scrypt GPU hash rates/watt high enough, FPGAs look much less attractive, slowing sales and development; keeping Scrypt GPU only, longer. That to me is the logical move.

You're quoting from a Bitcoin forum post.
scrypt is not Bitcoin. Someone who takes over maintaining the scrypt side for BFGMiner is welcome to advertise it differently.

[DarkKnight]

Luke: You don't CPU mine on a GPU rig. Most GPU rigs use low end budget CPUs to begin with, and even tying up two cores of an I7 920 @ 4GHz is enough to negatively affect hash rates of the GPUs. I've tested this myself.

I any case, if one did have the desire to mine on his CPU while using his GPUs, you could always run a dedicated CPU mining program as well. You don't need a program that does both, because you don't CPU mine GPU coins, and you don't GPU mine CPU coins (yet). It's bee clearly demonstrated that once any significant speedup is achieved on a different flavor of hardware CPU->GPU->FPGA->ASIC it will quickly raise the network difficulty enough to make mining with lower tier hardware unprofitable.

Did you even read the quote? The quote about BFGMiner was pulled directly from Google's first search result of BFGMiner. It's not a bitcointalk thread, it's directly from BFGMiner.org, and says so in the quote. It is BFGMiner.org's own advertisement. Why would someone bother maintaining a 'Scrypt side' of BFGMiner instead of just building a pure Scrypt mining engine? Bitcoin may have the market share, but Scrypt coins are taking over. The GPU market is huge, and deserves it's own dedicated software.

I'm not going to keep arguing the point. If you want to keep supporting BFGMiner's 'scrypt' side, feel free to do so. In the mean time, I will continue to pursue my interests in getting a dedicated GPU miner written.

Shadow_Runner: As to choosing which GPU (AMD/Nvidia) to run without errors, I don't see that as a necessary requirement at this stage. It's not terribly complicated to pick the platform you want to use when initializing the miner. Further, the intended goal is to deeply specialize in AMD hardware. I suppose eventually it should just disregard other platforms and autoselect AMD, but that's not a sticking point for me at this stage.

Spiffy_1: It's made a lot of people a lot of money. Where's the giving back to the community for it? We could have ended up with crappy mine-share software like the GPU miner for CPU coins that force mines something like 12% for the author. It's one thing to want to make some money on your work, but that's freaking robbery if you ask me. If I were into those coins, I'd put up a much larger bounty for a GPU miner just to make his miner pointless to use, on principal.

Just 1% of everything made on mining with CGMiner using GPUs would buy a lot of damn programmers, and possibly keep us competitive longer. Instead, everyone hoards their coins and does little to work together for something better. I've put up a lot more in that bounty than 1% of what I've taken in since joining the Scrypt community.

[fran2k]

Great initiative.

[Notanon]

Given that there is a Nvidia-optimised scrypt miner in the form of CUDAminer, might be worth focusing on AMD cards to try and find ways of optimising their output instead of trying to develop a catch-all program for both. Worst case, you can incorporate elements of both down the track into a combined GPU Scrypt miner program.

On a side note, has anyone tried developing an Intel HD Graphics miner? Might not be able to get much of it, but would help to squeeze a bit more hashing power out of some desktop PCs.

[slavo]

Luke: You don't CPU mine on a GPU rig. Most GPU rigs use low end budget CPUs to begin with, and even tying up two cores of an I7 920 @ 4GHz is enough to negatively affect hash rates of the GPUs. I've tested this myself.

I CPU mine with all my rigs with i7 3770k; with 3.5 cores for 7 threads; and it does not affect my gpus (4 r9280x)... Just to say 

[barruka]

.12 btc? its a joke?

you are not a developer, aren't you?

you cant even imagine how much time is needed to do what you are asking for

I think you must reward at least 5 btc for that job

[Luke-Jr]

Did you even read the quote? The quote about BFGMiner was pulled directly from Google's first search result of BFGMiner. It's not a bitcointalk thread, it's directly from BFGMiner.org, and says so in the quote. It is BFGMiner.org's own advertisement.

BFGMiner.org is a fan site and completely unofficial.

Why would someone bother maintaining a 'Scrypt side' of BFGMiner instead of just building a pure Scrypt mining engine?

Eh, you have that backward. Maintaining scrypt support for BFGMiner is far less work and more rational, than building a pure scrypt miner.

Bitcoin may have the market share, but Scrypt coins are taking over. The GPU market is huge, and deserves it's own dedicated software.

lolwut, this is just delusional. scrypt is a failed experiment, used only by scam "altcoins".

[DarkKnight]

Luke: You don't CPU mine on a GPU rig. Most GPU rigs use low end budget CPUs to begin with, and even tying up two cores of an I7 920 @ 4GHz is enough to negatively affect hash rates of the GPUs. I've tested this myself.

I CPU mine with all my rigs with i7 3770k; with 3.5 cores for 7 threads; and it does not affect my gpus (4 r9280x)... Just to say  

Maybe your cards aren't running particularly fast. I can provide SS if needed, but in my experience it slows them down. In any case, the bounty is for a GPU only tool. If mining with both is important to you, I suggest sticking with your current program.

.12 btc? its a joke?

you are not a developer, aren't you?

you cant even imagine how much time is needed to do what you are asking for

I think you must reward at least 5 btc for that job

No, I'm not a developer. I am a miner, putting up funds to improve OSS; and asking for donations to that end. I don't expect it to be accomplished for .12BTC, however, I think for 5BTC, I would just get a custom client coded for myself -- which would have to be damn good to payback that investment. Why would any individual invest that kind of coin for an OSS tool? Be realistic yourself. If the bounty fails, maybe I will do just that.

Did you even read the quote? The quote about BFGMiner was pulled directly from Google's first search result of BFGMiner. It's not a bitcointalk thread, it's directly from BFGMiner.org, and says so in the quote. It is BFGMiner.org's own advertisement.

BFGMiner.org is a fan site and completely unofficial.

Why would someone bother maintaining a 'Scrypt side' of BFGMiner instead of just building a pure Scrypt mining engine?

Eh, you have that backward. Maintaining scrypt support for BFGMiner is far less work and more rational, than building a pure scrypt miner.

Bitcoin may have the market share, but Scrypt coins are taking over. The GPU market is huge, and deserves it's own dedicated software.

lolwut, this is just delusional. scrypt is a failed experiment, used only by scam "altcoins".

I can't tell if you feel threatened or are trying to troll me. Keep it up, I'll take the free bumps. It's also entertaining watching you argue; so No U.

Edit: Just looked up some of your posts. You're a BFGMiner developer? That's so adorable watching you try to protect it. 

[Spiffy_1]

Why the hell does it matter if he is a bfgminer developer?  Why does it matter that you want it done on cgminer?  The important thing is a continued interest in scrypt and the continued increase in GPU optimization.  Take the good from both and work together.  We all love scrypt coins and all have a vested interest in their success.  CGminer stopped scrypt support a few versions ago.  If bfgminer is still supporting scrypt why not take the scrypt code from both, analyze and put back into the projects still under development.  I'm not a coder but I do know that different people have different ways to do things.  some work better than others.

[hipstacoin]

Keeping an eye on this.. cgminer and bfgminer have made me plenty of money.  I did find a few tweaks to strip out unneeded code to get my 7950's running a bit better(10 khps).  Still using 3.2.2.  Would be nice to update to something a little faster but it seems that as the authors went asic crazy, the scrypt performance went down.

Hey man, that sounds interesting. Care to elaborate on those tweaks?

[hipstacoin]

Luke: You don't CPU mine on a GPU rig. Most GPU rigs use low end budget CPUs to begin with, and even tying up two cores of an I7 920 @ 4GHz is enough to negatively affect hash rates of the GPUs. I've tested this myself.

I CPU mine with all my rigs with i7 3770k; with 3.5 cores for 7 threads; and it does not affect my gpus (4 r9280x)... Just to say 

Really? What hashrates are you getting from the CPU miner and what are you using?

[nonny12]

.12 btc? its a joke?

you are not a developer, aren't you?

you cant even imagine how much time is needed to do what you are asking for

I think you must reward at least 5 btc for that job

Is this really necessary? The original cgminer was created by a programmer 'in his spare time' - there was ZERO bounty.

[barruka]

when you want someone makes something for you... you must pay, that's it my friend, the world works this way

but I don't care if anyone wants to make it by free, not my problem

[maardein]

I completely agree with you that it would be great to have a dedicated gpu scrypt miner! Cudaminer/cpuminer are constantly making updates with small improvements, and it is really sad that the biggest group, the ati miners, are not getting any updated client anymore

@barruka: I think you should see the bounty as a nice incentive, not as a full payment for all your hours. If you manage to make a better performing gpu miner, you will probably get a lot of recognition and tips afterwards on this forum.

[DarkKnight]

I completely agree with you that it would be great to have a dedicated gpu scrypt miner! Cudaminer/cpuminer are constantly making updates with small improvements, and it is really sad that the biggest group, the ati miners, are not getting any updated client anymore

Agreed. Altcoins are here to stay and are in the golden age of GPU mining. Some coins will undoubtedly last longer (LTC) than others (barrukacoin comes to mind ). Meanwhile, Luke-jr would have you believe improving his BFGMiner is the path to take, all the while removing GPU support piece by piece, further specializing his software toward ASICs. If I read his change log right, he hasn't made a single improvement to GPU mining since July, and in November removed OpenCL from compiling by default. It's okay though, because "Support will remain".

No, It's time GPUs had their own dedicated mining tool, and a development community to keep improving it.

[efx]

Luke Jr. is almost completely delusional. His belief that scrypt is an invalid PoW algorithm is the least insane of his beliefs. Strange how he has enough time on his hands to concern himself with this 'invalid' PoW and related 'scam' coins...


Keeping away from his hostile little cgminer fork is best for basically everyone except his BFL buddies.

[efx]

What about your VRMs? Motherboard temps? Mining with that system is most likely going to considerably shorten the life of your intel laptop mobile formfactor desktop.

That said, osx support wouldn't be all that difficult, though I think donations would be in order if you don't want to use the windows version for whatever reason.  


The various Linux flavors have a decently sized and technically-inclined mining userbase, that would be another good one to include.

[efx]

What do you mean nonexistent in bootcamp? The opencl version you require should be installed by the AMD drivers automatically (AMD APP).

Anyways, I have heard of some issues arising with the osx versions of the luxmark slg rendering engine, though I think amd and apple have either resolved or will resolve all of them shortly since they are preparing for the new AMD gpu powered workstations.


I didn't mean you specifically, more those that have an interest in mining within OSX in general. Seems to be a decent amount of people who would probably take interest and hopefully expedite development for all the operating systems.  

[efx]

Did you receive an error when trying to install the drivers?

Apparently, only the beta drivers can be installed without the common bootcamp driver error popping up. I would suggest something like 12.6 beta for a test, I don't think there's much reason to run anything more current for the 6xxx series.


*** can't remember if that includes AMD APP...Hmmm. I'll do some digging.

[DarkKnight]

Guys, please use a dedicated topic for OSX troubleshooting.  

[efx]

Guys, please use a dedicated topic for OSX troubleshooting.  

But then I would never see it since I never go to osx threads 

However, you are completely correct.

Please send me a PM sibilant_doge and I might be able to get you running.

[DarkKnight]

One thing I would love to see added to this is OSX support.

Everyone would love to see their favorite platform/GPU/coin supported. That said, I have yet to receive a single donation to the bounty. Lots hands out asking for things, no hands out offering help.

Maybe the issue is people are worried their donation will be lost if the bounty isn't met. To that end, if you want to donate, but want a refund if the bounty terms aren't met, PM me your donation amount and a refund address *before* you send your donation.

To be clear, you will only receive a refund on your donation if the bounty is closed without having been fulfilled.

[kovand11]

I think its better to wait for OpenCL 2.0

[DarkKnight]

I think its better to wait for OpenCL 2.0

Development can start with existing software and build out from there, including adding OpenCL support 2.0 at a later time. There is no reason not to start today.

[efx]

No, 'waiting for opencl 2.0' would be a complete waste of time. Khronos group released the preliminary specs (still under review and discussion) less than 6 months ago iirc and we have no opencl 2.0 devices in the wild, except for the ps4 which might theoretically support some of it...


Anyways, a decent scrypt specific miner is something I've wanted for a very long time so I will definitely donate ASAP.

[Palmdetroit]

Curious....

Which miner is considered superior by miners, bfgminer or cgminer?

[DarkKnight]

Curious....

Which miner is considered superior by miners, bfgminer or cgminer?

I use CGMiner 3.7.2, the last version to support GPUs. I had been considering trying BFGMiner, but seeing the developer's attitude towards Scrypt, altcoins, and GPU mining, it can rot as far as I'm concerned. At least CG had the decency to admit they weren't supporting GPUs anymore and move on. Luke's attitude is to claim support for it, put zero development into it, turn it off by default, then attack others for trying to start their own program.

[bitmaster222]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229060.msg2411598#msg24115

Looks like linux (SMOS) is an OS dedicated to scrypt mining. I think this might be a good place to start, at least everyone collaborating in the right place will push development of better mining software. [Death to Microsoft]

[bitwho]

good topic. you should find a a trusted person and have people send donation there. that why if no one comes forth we could get or money back

[DarkKnight]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229060.msg2411598#msg24115

Looks like linux (SMOS) is an OS dedicated to scrypt mining. I think this might be a good place to start, at least everyone collaborating in the right place will push development of better mining software. [Death to Microsoft]

SMOS is built with old drivers on a PITA to use platform. I tried SMOS 3 times, it hashed slower, I had more problems remote viewing the machine unless I wanted just SSH, but wtf this isn't 1996 anymore. The only advantage in using linux over Win 8 was being able to use more than 5 cards, and possible the cost. For the trouble, I'll stick with 5 cards per machine (some have gotten 6), and pay the price for the O/S. It's so much less of a headache, and my control over the cards and the machine is much more refined.

good topic. you should find a a trusted person and have people send donation there. that why if no one comes forth we could get or money back

I've had two people express serious interest, but in over a month nothing has come of this. Like most people, I have my own problems to deal with outside the forum, and chasing this down isn't at the top of my list. I put up some money, and went to the community for help, an nobody, not one person actually offered a damn dime to help support it. Bunch of greedy bastards. All the money that's being made using CGMiner for Scrypt, and not one of you has actually sent a donation, or even pledged $1 to a project that aims improve your software and your income. I wonder how many of you would be happy to test it out and then use it for free though?

With that said, the deadline is now 2/11. If I don't get a serious submission within a week, I'm withdrawing my bounty.

[Gazza1]

Voltage locked cards must be volt modded through bios editing.

[bitmaster222]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229060.msg2411598#msg24115

Looks like linux (SMOS) is an OS dedicated to scrypt mining. I think this might be a good place to start, at least everyone collaborating in the right place will push development of better mining software. [Death to Microsoft]

SMOS is built with old drivers on a PITA to use platform. I tried SMOS 3 times, it hashed slower, I had more problems remote viewing the machine unless I wanted just SSH, but wtf this isn't 1996 anymore. The only advantage in using linux over Win 8 was being able to use more than 5 cards, and possible the cost. For the trouble, I'll stick with 5 cards per machine (some have gotten 6), and pay the price for the O/S. It's so much less of a headache, and my control over the cards and the machine is much more refined.

This is a new OS and of course it will not be perfect right out of the box. If people like you tried helping the opensource community maybe the OS would have more features you want. Instead of trying to use a bounty that is really not a lot and wasting time taking on a Project by your self. How is working by your self more efficient than a open source team? Hello World, Linux is by far an easier system to use once you know how, not to mention is less destructive on your HDD. Some of you hacks would know that if you would break the Microsoft umbilical and learn how to use a computer. Please go on telling me more about how you use Windows 8 an OS for touch devices not geared at all for mining and how this is better than a OS that is always being developed for for mining only? Start emailing the team developing the OS and tell them what you want, hell give them your donation!

[DarkKnight]

This is a new OS and of course it will not be perfect right out of the box. if people like you tried helping the opensource community maybe the OS would have more features you want. instead of trying to make a quick buck to benefit yourself and wasting time taking on a Project by your self. How is working by your self more efficient than a open source team?Hello World, Linux is by far an easier system to use once you know how, not to mention is less destructive on your HDD. Some of you hacks would know that if you would break the Microsoft umbilical and learn how to use a computer. Please go on telling me more about how you use Windows 8 an OS for touch devices not gear at all for mining and how this is better than a OS that is always being developed for for mining only?

It's not a new OS, it's an old one. It's not even a new distribution, nor is it being actively developed. You're accusing me of trying to "make a quick buck"? Idiot... Perhaps if you had as much reading comprehension as you do self-righteous anger, you'd understand what I posted the bounty for. Where the hell is your contribution Mr. 9 posts?  Where is your effort to do anything for someone besides yourself?

Let me break it down for you. I put up money, not a fortune, but certainly not insignificant, to help fund an OPEN SOURCE application that everyone, even you would be free to use. I asked for donations from the community to help encourage a developer to take the project seriously. No one, NOT ONE PERSON donated even a satoshi, or sent me a line of code. Nothing has been done by anyone, because the only thing that gets people moving on the forum is money. Everyone wants to take, users mostly want free mining software and developers mostly want to get paid. No... I was foolish to think that a community so focused on making money would ever spend a cent to help itself out.

As to Linux vs Windows.. really? You are going to sit there and preach that it's sooo much better of an OS and that people need to learn to use it, while at the same time asking questions because you can't figure it out yourself.

Does any one know of better directions for unix GUI install. The read me for unix install only gives a list of dependencies and
says to use qmake and make, Feels pretty vague. I believe i have the terminal wallet working but no idea what commands to use.

Linux is better at *some* things, Windows at others. I use Windows 8 only because 8 will let you run one more card than Win 7. The Metro/Modern UI is crap, but when I need to do something, I don't have to dick around on forums and spend useless hours trying (for example) to get a goddamn driver update. I just download the update, install it and it's ready to go. I use monitoring programs that are written for Windows. Plain and simple, Linux is not in anyway user friendly. It's continued reliance on the damned CLI after 20+ years of GUIs is the exact problem. Even BIOS FFS has moved on to GUIs. Commodore, yes Commodore from the 80's had a GUI developed for it (GEOS). But Linux...no, the CLI is superior -- except it's not; it's obsolete.

You know the one thing, the very one thing I don't have to do on Windows, well almost never? Build from source. I don't have to worry about endless dependencies, or if I have the right build environment, with the right version of GCC. Programmers don't automatically expect everyone to build a windows app from source. Does it make sense for a thousand people to waste time building the same application over and over, or just one person to do it? I *do* know how to use Linux, and I don't. Even knowing how to use it, how to install git, download the source, and build applications. That's the problem with Linux, it wastes my fucking time. It's wasting my time right now, trying to convince an arrogant douche that he's wrong. It's pointless really, so I won't bother any more.


For every good intentioned person that genuinely wants to help, there are ten more that just want to take the entire tray of free samples and keep walking. Here, not even the good intentioned people are actually helping. I see now there is little point in even giving it another week; so, the bounty is officially closed.

If any serious developer out there is interested in building a new client, get in touch with me via PM. It will be contracted work. You must reside in the continental US, be willing to sign an NDA & Non-compete, and have a realistic estimate on time/price to complete the work.

[Gazza1]

Linux isn't user friendly but once you start and get the hang of the basics, you'll never go back, for mining that is.  It's so easy to just pull up a master ssh window from my windows pc and control all my mining rigs at once, literally.  No dicking around with windows bs.  

[Luke-Jr]

KDE is far more user-friendly than Mac/Windows.