BitPlastic

[minimalB]

BitPlastic is, in my humble opinion, something like a SCAM! The card they send is not like the Mastercard seen at their site and @ Facebook, it's not new, but is instead a regular debit VISA Electron card from the Polish Bank Zachodni WBK, that anyone can buy at eBay at a very lower price. I had bought one with same Eiffel Tower image, starting with same 4830 4712 card number and from same Polish bank, at the beginning of last year.

What? BitPlastic, is this true? Isn't there a 2500eur per year limit on these Bank Zachodni WBK cards?

[moriartybitcoin]

Technically, yes, there is a $3500 USD limit on the card.  What this means is that $3500 USD can processed through the card in a one year period.

Please note this limit is set by the bank, not by us.  Banks are required to set a low limit for the card because of anti-money-laundering rules.

However, the limit means nothing.  If you need to convert $35,000 per year from Bitcoin to cash, then you just need to buy 10 cards - either all at once or over a one-year period, it's up to you.

The card is 100% FREE.  So once you hit the $3,500 limit on your card, we refunded your card deposit fee, and you can request another card, if you so choose.

As for the card being a 'scam', I don't see where that accusation would come from.  Yes, you can buy similar prepaid cards on ebay, but how does that help you convert bitcoin to cash?  Plus the ebay/paypal fees are significant.

No, we do not issue these cards out of our own office; we are NOT a bank.  These cards are issued by Bank Zachodni in Poland.  We handle all aspects of the card for you, from registering (difficult, because it is in polish) to converting bitcoin and funding your card.  Yes, you could do this on your own and probably save some money on fees.  We automate the process and make it easy to convert Bitcoin to cash. 

For more info, please see:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

[ct1aic]

Technically, yes, there is a $3500 USD limit on the card.  What this means is that $3500 USD can processed through the card in a one year period.

Please note this limit is set by the bank, not by us.  Banks are required to set a low limit for the card because of anti-money-laundering rules.

However, the limit means nothing.  If you need to convert $35,000 per year from Bitcoin to cash, then you just need to buy 10 cards - either all at once or over a one-year period, it's up to you.

The card is 100% FREE.  So once you hit the $3,500 limit on your card, we refunded your card deposit fee, and you can request another card, if you so choose.

As for the card being a 'scam', I don't see where that accusation would come from.  Yes, you can buy similar prepaid cards on ebay, but how does that help you convert bitcoin to cash?  Plus the ebay/paypal fees are significant.

My comments are trying to point out your lack of honesty. I bought one BitPlastic, because of the aspect of the card. If you put an image of something for selling, the buyer wants that same aspect/image, and not some other object.

BitPlastic site needs to have an alert for the "image" of the debit card not being the image of the real thing they are sending to their clients. In my case, and as I'm a client of the Bank Zachodni, with direct access to the account of a debit card with same image of the one I received from BitPlastic, I would never buy it from BitPlastic. I feel cheated.

No, we do not issue these cards out of our own office; we are NOT a bank.  These cards are issued by Bank Zachodni in Poland.  We handle all aspects of the card for you, from registering (difficult, because it is in polish) to converting bitcoin and funding your card.  Yes, you could do this on your own and probably save some money on fees.  We automate the process and make it easy to convert Bitcoin to cash.  

As I told before, if you can't sell a debit card with the aspect and image of the one you are presenting at your site, don't use that image at all or you will be cheating your clients. Try to be honest and use the real image of the Polish debit card you are sending to your clients, as the service you are also selling is useful.

For more info, please see:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

[MWNinja]

From reading the comments on one of the stories linked here, it appears when you go to load the card your bitcoins will mysteriously get stolen by a hacker using a man-in-the-middle attack.  Classic, not our fault, we got hacked scam.

[moriartybitcoin]

"if you can't sell a debit card with the aspect and image of the one you are presenting at your site, don't use that image at all or you will be cheating your clients."

Really, it matters that much what the card looks like?  Personally, if I ordered a debit card, I wouldn't care whether it looks different from what is pictured on the site, as long as it WORKS.  No matter though, I have updated the faq to show the correct image of the card:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

"In my case, and as I'm a client of the Bank Zachodni, with direct access to the account of a debit card with same image of the one I received from BitPlastic, I would never buy it from BitPlastic. I feel cheated."

You feel CHEATED?  You ordered a Bitcoin debit card and you received a Bitcoin debit card.  Tell you what.  Post your BitPlastic username here and an external Bitcoin wallet address. I will HAPPILY refund your debit card deposit and delete your BitPlastic account.  Sound good?

IN FACT, IF YOU FEEL 'CHEATED' BY SUCCESSFULLY PURCHASING ONE OF OUR PRODUCTS, AND RECEIVING IT, YOU ARE NOT SOMEONE WE WANT AS A CLIENT.  WE WILL BE HAPPY TO REFUND YOUR DEBIT CARD DEPOSIT!!

[moriartybitcoin]

"From reading the comments on one of the stories linked here, it appears when you go to load the card your bitcoins will mysteriously get stolen by a hacker using a man-in-the-middle attack.  Classic, not our fault, we got hacked scam."

Oh, you deduced that from reading some comments in a forum, did you?

Well, let me explain. We repel THOUSANDS of hacking attempts daily.  Bitcoin sites, including BitPlastic, get HAMMERED by attackers.

In one instance several weeks ago, a hacker was able to intercept incoming deposits for a period of about six hours.  The hacker stole a few bitcoins and customers didn't know (or care) since we paid out of pocket. We have an 'insurance fund' which we build up from our profits that enables us to cover small losses like that. Only one customer actually lost money, and that we because he sent an unusually large amount (6BTC) which we didn't have enough funds to cover. 

Unlike BitStamp or MtGox, we do not freeze withdrawals and all client funds are stored offline in a paper wallet, meaning even if our server gets rooted (and it has!) the attack generally cannot do much damage. He certainly cannot steal client funds in cold storage; it is physically impossible to do that.  So, yes, we had one hacking incident in which ONE client lost funds he sent to his wallet on that specific day because those funds were stolen in transit before they made it to our cold storage wallet. The customer still uses BitPlastic but sends his large deposits directly to the cold storage wallet simply bypassing the site entirely, which works well too.

That being said, we have upgraded security and that kind of attack will never happen again. That's not to say other attacks aren't possible. As MtGox and BitStamp are finding out, no online wallet is 100% safe all the time.  That's why we store funds in cold storage rather than online. 

[31337157]

"if you can't sell a debit card with the aspect and image of the one you are presenting at your site, don't use that image at all or you will be cheating your clients."

Really, it matters that much what the card looks like?  Personally, if I ordered a debit card, I wouldn't care whether it looks different from what is pictured on the site, as long as it WORKS.  No matter though, I have updated the faq to show the correct image of the card:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

"In my case, and as I'm a client of the Bank Zachodni, with direct access to the account of a debit card with same image of the one I received from BitPlastic, I would never buy it from BitPlastic. I feel cheated."

You feel CHEATED?  You ordered a Bitcoin debit card and you received a Bitcoin debit card.  Tell you what.  Post your BitPlastic username here and an external Bitcoin wallet address. I will HAPPILY refund your debit card deposit and delete your BitPlastic account.  Sound good?

IN FACT, IF YOU FEEL 'CHEATED' BY SUCCESSFULLY PURCHASING ONE OF OUR PRODUCTS, AND RECEIVING IT, YOU ARE NOT SOMEONE WE WANT AS A CLIENT.  WE WILL BE HAPPY TO REFUND YOUR DEBIT CARD DEPOSIT!!

Thank you for all of your posts, it's not the alarms or buyer beware posts that are keeping me away, it's your horrible attitude.

Services are created to cater to the people who use them, not you the owner. We don't care for your personal preferences and while some of your most influential customers are giving you key feedback, you're looking right over it and spewing garbage out of the chip on your shoulder.

Business isn't for everyone and this business clearly isn't for me or the BTC community.

[ct1aic]

"if you can't sell a debit card with the aspect and image of the one you are presenting at your site, don't use that image at all or you will be cheating your clients."

Really, it matters that much what the card looks like?  Personally, if I ordered a debit card, I wouldn't care whether it looks different from what is pictured on the site, as long as it WORKS.  No matter though, I have updated the faq to show the correct image of the card:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

This is in fact your first attitude of honesty since you start selling Polish VISA debit cards.

...
"In my case, and as I'm a client of the Bank Zachodni, with direct access to the account of a debit card with same image of the one I received from BitPlastic, I would never buy it from BitPlastic. I feel cheated."

You feel CHEATED?  You ordered a Bitcoin debit card and you received a Bitcoin debit card.  Tell you what.  Post your BitPlastic username here and an external Bitcoin wallet address. I will HAPPILY refund your debit card deposit and delete your BitPlastic account.  Sound good?

IN FACT, IF YOU FEEL 'CHEATED' BY SUCCESSFULLY PURCHASING ONE OF OUR PRODUCTS, AND RECEIVING IT, YOU ARE NOT SOMEONE WE WANT AS A CLIENT.  WE WILL BE HAPPY TO REFUND YOUR DEBIT CARD DEPOSIT!!

Beautiful way to treat customers... But this is in fact your second attitude of honesty since you start selling Polish VISA debit cards.

My BITPLA$TIC username: ct1aic
My BTC wallet for refund of the price paid for the Bank Zachodni's VISA card you sent my and that I didn't ordered (I ordered a yellow BITPLA$TIC engraved Mastercard Debit card): 1NG8guAew3N3jdPeokWza9HhU5VVVykykj

Please cancel my BITPLA$TIC account and VISA debit card and refund the 0.150 BTC I paid to BITPLA$TIC last Jan 23.

Upon reception of the refund, I will confirm it in this same thread.

[ct1aic]

"if you can't sell a debit card with the aspect and image of the one you are presenting at your site, don't use that image at all or you will be cheating your clients."

Really, it matters that much what the card looks like?  Personally, if I ordered a debit card, I wouldn't care whether it looks different from what is pictured on the site, as long as it WORKS.  No matter though, I have updated the faq to show the correct image of the card:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

"In my case, and as I'm a client of the Bank Zachodni, with direct access to the account of a debit card with same image of the one I received from BitPlastic, I would never buy it from BitPlastic. I feel cheated."

You feel CHEATED?  You ordered a Bitcoin debit card and you received a Bitcoin debit card.  Tell you what.  Post your BitPlastic username here and an external Bitcoin wallet address. I will HAPPILY refund your debit card deposit and delete your BitPlastic account.  Sound good?

IN FACT, IF YOU FEEL 'CHEATED' BY SUCCESSFULLY PURCHASING ONE OF OUR PRODUCTS, AND RECEIVING IT, YOU ARE NOT SOMEONE WE WANT AS A CLIENT.  WE WILL BE HAPPY TO REFUND YOUR DEBIT CARD DEPOSIT!!

Thank you for all of your posts, it's not the alarms or buyer beware posts that are keeping me away, it's your horrible attitude.

Services are created to cater to the people who use them, not you the owner. We don't care for your personal preferences and while some of your most influential customers are giving you key feedback, you're looking right over it and spewing garbage out of the chip on your shoulder.

Business isn't for everyone and this business clearly isn't for me or the BTC community.

Thanks for your words, 31337157. You understood my (and other's) point of view.

[ct1aic]

"if you can't sell a debit card with the aspect and image of the one you are presenting at your site, don't use that image at all or you will be cheating your clients."

Really, it matters that much what the card looks like?  Personally, if I ordered a debit card, I wouldn't care whether it looks different from what is pictured on the site, as long as it WORKS.  No matter though, I have updated the faq to show the correct image of the card:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

This is in fact your first attitude of honesty since you start selling Polish VISA debit cards.

...
"In my case, and as I'm a client of the Bank Zachodni, with direct access to the account of a debit card with same image of the one I received from BitPlastic, I would never buy it from BitPlastic. I feel cheated."

You feel CHEATED?  You ordered a Bitcoin debit card and you received a Bitcoin debit card.  Tell you what.  Post your BitPlastic username here and an external Bitcoin wallet address. I will HAPPILY refund your debit card deposit and delete your BitPlastic account.  Sound good?

IN FACT, IF YOU FEEL 'CHEATED' BY SUCCESSFULLY PURCHASING ONE OF OUR PRODUCTS, AND RECEIVING IT, YOU ARE NOT SOMEONE WE WANT AS A CLIENT.  WE WILL BE HAPPY TO REFUND YOUR DEBIT CARD DEPOSIT!!

Beautiful way to treat customers... But this is in fact your second attitude of honesty since you start selling Polish VISA debit cards.

My BITPLA$TIC username: ct1aic
My BTC wallet for refund of the price paid for the Bank Zachodni's VISA card you sent my and that I didn't ordered (I ordered a yellow BITPLA$TIC engraved Mastercard Debit card): 1NG8guAew3N3jdPeokWza9HhU5VVVykykj

Please cancel my BITPLA$TIC account and VISA debit card and refund the 0.150 BTC I paid to BITPLA$TIC last Jan 23.

Upon reception of the refund, I will confirm it in this same thread.

Still waiting for the promised refund...

[Jaymax]

"if you can't sell a debit card with the aspect and image of the one you are presenting at your site, don't use that image at all or you will be cheating your clients."

Really, it matters that much what the card looks like?  Personally, if I ordered a debit card, I wouldn't care whether it looks different from what is pictured on the site, as long as it WORKS.  No matter though, I have updated the faq to show the correct image of the card:
https://bitplastic.com/bitcoin-debit-card

While I like the service, a huge part of the reason I ordered one of these today was to have a functional debit card with a bitcoin logo on it.  Despite reading the FAQ, I missed the card images at the bottom.  If I had seen that, I would not have ordered.  I suggest that if you ever get to be in the position to have cards produced with your own artwork, you offer a free replacement to existing customers.  In the meantime I suggest you put on each mock image of a card on the site that the image is 'not actual card imagery'.

[ct1aic]

Still waiting for the promised refund...

[ct1aic]

Still waiting for the promised refund...

[ct1aic]

Still waiting for the promised refund...

[BitOnyx]

hah 5% conversion fee xD

well good luck. I expect more of such services in future that would be much cheaper.

Also it is not kind of service i was thinking it would be.

Good luck on refund.

[ct1aic]

Still waiting for the promised refund...

[mike2010]

So this turn to be scam?

[ct1aic]

Still waiting for the promised refund...

[svennand]

Still waiting for the promised refund...

Still waiting for the promissed acknowlegde of deposited funds...

[minimalB]

Looks like this is a 100% scam.

I found this out... hope they perform better:

CryptexCard
https://www.cryptexcard.com

They are not anonymous, though.