Lottocoin redesign - Up to 1BTC on offer or 2,000,000 LOT

[funkycoin]

don't get me wrong... the 3D render is sensational... but please please head my advice below before its too late at this critical moment.
The final LOT logo needs to be more generic and not so LOTTO (wheel) branded... big mistake here to use all these fancy elements that give the ID a more niche brand appeal. For all it's faults the original 'clip art style' sun ray and pile of coins was uplifting and positive but this just smacks of lottery gambling and loses that upbeat 'jolly' feel that will have mass appeal and be better for the wider end consumer market.

DANGER


The design for the 'smaller' logo HAS to be much simpler.

Take out all fussy elements like the rays and colours and piles of coins... OR if you want to keep rays in taper them so the white is thinner at edge and wider where it hits the O...
this will give the LOT a glow.

I can do these things for you for a bitcoin standing on my head...and you can move forward but time is running out...

As pointed out previously this must shout LOT when next to the bit coin B...
Keep going UNTIL you have something stronger than bitcoin B for the smaller logo.

The 3D coin is now way too fussy and too many detailed elements fighting... great for wow factor and placing on google images but no good for a long lasting world class logo... there are a couple of guys on this thread giving invaluable branding advice but please please devs let the pros guide the decision as just having 'WOW' factor is NOT good enough and will be a big FAIL.

Look how the old logo is now being used on a Google app... this was exactly why I advised early on that you should get a PRO to do this BEFORE it even hit criptsy... every one seemed to be screwing and ridiculing me about offering 3 Bitcoin to get you this done but the loss in real terms from pissing about and waiting has been 1000s of bitcoins in crucial lost time and market place 'perception' at a point when the coin needed to be seen as credible and worth investing in... its fine having 'love and respect from your community' and people being defensive when outsiders try and help but the outside world is a harsh place and a basic understanding of some well known corporate ID do's and donts would have avoided this current situation of not having a logo.

Every idiot out there thinks this is easy... it IS for the PROS who understand the basic rules AND applies them... but I have not seen any of the designs applying the simple rules critical for developing a world class final logo.

This will damage the brand in the end user space like ebay and anywhere the logo appears for the coin to be sold, traded or used and the brand will be perceived (as I try hard to alert you all too BEFORE it hit Criptsy) as nothing more than a amateur ALT represented by awful clip art.

RAMP this up guys... time loss added to a cheap brand logo that is now being widely used across the media is seriously damaging the rep of this coin!

[Oldminer]

All looking good.. What now? Do we need to make 'accepted here' logos? I think we're done here!

I'm just waiting for final confirmation (or any little changes) from Oldminer so I can prepare files and we can proceed to handover.

PM sent

[m_j]

without big words, BANG!
I really like the colors and it fits to the coin!
IF something should be changed then swich the coin colors inside (like colored casino chips)

http://www.zontikgames.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/r/primary_2_6.jpg

[funkycoin]

http://www.zontikgames.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/r/primary_2_6.jpg

can see a big 'FAIL' about to happen... does anyone want to help develop CHIPS COIN ...

[musty97]

can see a big 'FAIL' about to happen... does anyone want to help develop CHIPS COIN ...

No dude, lets create the Pizza-Coin lol

[jayguar]

Adding one color and flat version.

Great logo. Just 1 suggestion from my side. If you could change the multicolors to silver or solid colors in the inner part of the stacked coins, it would look even better.

[sleepless]

Adding one color and flat version.

F**k I love it!

I too would try to make the colors a little darker cause the LOT isn't so present in this version.

But I'd only try to see how it looks.

[m_j]

http://www.zontikgames.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/r/primary_2_6.jpg

can see a big 'FAIL' about to happen... does anyone want to help develop CHIPS COIN ...

No dude, lets create the Pizza-Coin lol

YEAH! a Pizza .coin. worth 10.000 BITCOINS!
(As U know)
------
 2010
February 6    Bitcoin Market established
May 22    laszlo first to buy pizza with Bitcoins agreeing upon paying 10,000 BTC for ~$25 worth of pizza courtesy of jercos[4]
July 7    Bitcoin v0.3 released
---------

That made the pizza man richi rich, cool

[y3804]

DANGER


The design for the 'smaller' logo HAS to be much simpler.

Take out all fussy elements like the rays and colours and piles of coins... OR if you want to keep rays in taper them so the white is thinner at edge and wider where it hits the O...
this will give the LOT a glow.

I can do these things for you for a bitcoin standing on my head...and you can move forward but time is running out...

As pointed out previously this must shout LOT when next to the bit coin B...
Keep going UNTIL you have something stronger than bitcoin B for the smaller logo.

The 3D coin is now way too fussy and too many detailed elements fighting... great for wow factor and placing on google images but no good for a long lasting world class logo... there are a couple of guys on this thread giving invaluable branding advice but please please devs let the pros guide the decision as just having 'WOW' factor is NOT good enough and will be a big FAIL.

Look how the old logo is now being used on a Google app... this was exactly why I advised early on that you should get a PRO to do this BEFORE it even hit criptsy... every one seemed to be screwing and ridiculing me about offering 3 Bitcoin to get you this done but the loss in real terms from pissing about and waiting has been 1000s of bitcoins in crucial lost time and market place 'perception' at a point when the coin needed to be seen as credible and worth investing in... its fine having 'love and respect from your community' and people being defensive when outsiders try and help but the outside world is a harsh place and a basic understanding of some well known corporate ID do's and donts would have avoided this current situation of not having a logo.

Every idiot out there thinks this is easy... it IS for the PROS who understand the basic rules AND applies them... but I have not seen any of the designs applying the simple rules critical for developing a world class final logo.

This will damage the brand in the end user space like ebay and anywhere the logo appears for the coin to be sold, traded or used and the brand will be perceived (as I try hard to alert you all too BEFORE it hit Criptsy) as nothing more than a amateur ALT represented by awful clip art.

RAMP this up guys... time loss added to a cheap brand logo that is now being widely used across the media is seriously damaging the rep of this coin!

3 BTC? No one can offer 3 BTC here. But if you want to do the logo then go ahead. You'll get 1 BTC from this thread and 500k from me, alright? If you think you could do better.. It's quite difficult to find a good logo 50x50 that is still readable and recognizable as LOT

[CoinMakr]

The logos in this thread despite been noble efforts, are just not good enough. If you need a 2nd opinion other than mine, then the devs should speak to a real design studio. This logo has got to be solid if you want the coin to be taken seriously. It seems that because there wasn't a lot of entries, that any logo would do. This is a coin forum, not a design forum. I would seriously reconsider keeping this logo design open for now. If you go with this design, its a mistake, it needs to be a lot simpler. The coin just doesn't look polished or professional and it will damage the coins value in the long run.

This is why real logos cost a great deal of money, its not just the creative thought behind them, its the long term value that logo brings to the brand. The recognisablity of the design to the public is crucial, people shouldn't have to look two or three times at it to work out the coin. Some brands don't even need a logo to be recognised, colours can offer brand association. Cadburys in the UK have moved before to protect that shade of purple they use, because the public associate the colour purple with the chocolate they produce, and copycats have used that colour for their own chocolate to capitalise on that association, and steal their customers.

Bitcoin has this, that orange will be recognised and associated with the coin with just a glance in the future, especially when the logo is sat amongst the other coin logos, say on an exchange. I'm not sure this tea colour logo has any appeal at all, is it supposed to be gold?. BitCoin nailed their branding and spent a lot of time working out the look and feel. Major companies invest heavily in design, marketing and advertising for a reason. I've noticed that most altcoins are seriously lacking here despite the potential value of these coins, it just doesnt make sense to me to scrimp in this area. Invest and you'll be rewarded in spades.

For the latest design, there are too many elements, too many colours and its confused. It's also not scalable because those small versions are too fussy. The main use for this coin seems to be aimed towards casinos and gambling sites, yet you are keen on 'Lotto Colors' and 'Lotto Balls' as the main design feature? Whats going to be the coins main use then, the lotto? The 8 ball, is in fact a 'Pool Ball'. I even posted a picture earlier but everyones just blindly scrolled past it. The association with the game of pool will add further confusion. Its not a lotto ball, or a lucky Chinese ball, its a pool ball. Google it > 8 BALL. Every result and picture is relating to the game of Pool, which has nothing to do with it.

The devs should be developing the coin and infrastructure, and outsourcing the design, branding and marketing to the professionals. If you think I'm a troll, you've got me all wrong, I'm just well invested in this coin and I'm concerned the right people aren't in place to move it forward. It needs more than a dev to launch a coin. This is potentially a multi million pound brand and needs the support of a few knowledgeable people in the right areas for it to succeed, just like any real business. I'm doing all that I can to promote it and have other plans to help this coin. I simply want it to be taken seriously as a currency and for me/you to make a load of money in the process. Isn't that the goal for everyone on here, especially the devs?

[donatel99]

Here is my entry to the contest! LoGZs8ybomsJw3fDuZgbMTmsQRbdRErEx5

http://www.urbangraff.ca/images_new/donatel99_lotto_coin_quarter_v1.png
http://www.urbangraff.ca/images_new/donatel99_lotto_coin_half_v1.png
http://www.urbangraff.ca/images_new/donatel99_lotto_coin_v1.png

[GigaCoin]

This is how I imagined to add a lotto ball without complicating

guys this is it, gjeric did an amazing job this logo is fantastic and will carry the coin forward, i also like gjeric's flat version too. I hope we can stick to this logo

[rocketron]

+1 this is just fantastic

[m_j]

Adding one color and flat version.

https://i.imgur.com/irzgyUq.png

Is it easy to change the perspective in your 3d studio maxx (or whatever software)?
it still looks a little bit like a gear-wheel on the edge and the coin seems too thick.
but my thumbs up.

look on the edge here:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/2005_AEPlat_Proof_Obv.png/771px-2005_AEPlat_Proof_Obv.png

[donatel99]

Here is another version for the contest! LoGZs8ybomsJw3fDuZgbMTmsQRbdRErEx5

http://www.urbangraff.ca/images_new/donatel99_lotto_coin_quarter_v2.png
http://www.urbangraff.ca/images_new/donatel99_lotto_coin_half_v2.png
http://www.urbangraff.ca/images_new/donatel99_lotto_coin_v2.png

[y3804]

The logos in this thread despite been noble efforts, are just not good enough. If you need a 2nd opinion other than mine, then the devs should speak to a real design studio. This logo has got to be solid if you want the coin to be taken seriously. It seems that because there wasn't a lot of entries, that any logo would do. This is a coin forum, not a design forum. I would seriously reconsider keeping this logo design open for now. If you go with this design, its a mistake, it needs to be a lot simpler. The coin just doesn't look polished or professional and it will damage the coins value in the long run.

This is why real logos cost a great deal of money, its not just the creative thought behind them, its the long term value that logo brings to the brand. The recognisablity of the design to the public is crucial, people shouldn't have to look two or three times at it to work out the coin. Some brands don't even need a logo to be recognised, colours can offer brand association. Cadburys in the UK have moved before to protect that shade of purple they use, because the public associate the colour purple with the chocolate they produce, and copycats have used that colour for their own chocolate to capitalise on that association, and steal their customers.

Bitcoin has this, that orange will be recognised and associated with the coin with just a glance in the future, especially when the logo is sat amongst the other coin logos, say on an exchange. I'm not sure this tea colour logo has any appeal at all, is it supposed to be gold?. BitCoin nailed their branding and spent a lot of time working out the look and feel. Major companies invest heavily in design, marketing and advertising for a reason. I've noticed that most altcoins are seriously lacking here despite the potential value of these coins, it just doesnt make sense to me to scrimp in this area. Invest and you'll be rewarded in spades.

For the latest design, there are too many elements, too many colours and its confused. It's also not scalable because those small versions are too fussy. The main use for this coin seems to be aimed towards casinos and gambling sites, yet you are keen on 'Lotto Colors' and 'Lotto Balls' as the main design feature? Whats going to be the coins main use then, the lotto? The 8 ball, is in fact a 'Pool Ball'. I even posted a picture earlier but everyones just blindly scrolled past it. The association with the game of pool will add further confusion. Its not a lotto ball, or a lucky Chinese ball, its a pool ball. Google it > 8 BALL. Every result and picture is relating to the game of Pool, which has nothing to do with it.

The devs should be developing the coin and infrastructure, and outsourcing the design, branding and marketing to the professionals. If you think I'm a troll, you've got me all wrong, I'm just well invested in this coin and I'm concerned the right people aren't in place to move it forward. It needs more than a dev to launch a coin. This is potentially a multi million pound brand and needs the support of a few knowledgeable people in the right areas for it to succeed, just like any real business. I'm doing all that I can to promote it and have other plans to help this coin. I simply want it to be taken seriously as a currency and for me/you to make a load of money in the process. Isn't that the goal for everyone on here, especially the devs?

You're absolutely right. We need something scalable that can be put on a coin as well as 2d version. It's really hard. What studios are you talking about?

While I like gjeric's design, I don't think it's scalable.

[gjeric]

So by being scalable you'd strip the coin to just "LOT" and a circle? No problemo...

Handover is complete now, thank you LOT dev team and everyone contributing to this contest!

[y3804]

So by being scalable you'd strip the coin to just "LOT" and a circle? No problemo...

Handover is complete now, thank you LOT dev team and everyone contributing to this contest!

Edit: looks like a 8ball. Should look like a lottery ball. But seriously though, congrats, and hopefully youll do more gfx for LOT in the future..

[gjeric]

Thanks y3804.

I'm still a bit experimenting here. Maybe adding a simple underline like I see some lotto balls have could work...

[y3804]

Let's stop pissing about... 3 Bitcoins... Let's go!

I really like the 2D one, but the physical one lacks something. Can't pinpoint