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Last edit: January 03, 2014, 12:05:57 PM by gbianchi
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2014 first data:

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block#  277997  31/12/2013               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22441758   0.00%   0.00%  90.4651%                            0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404280  38.36%   8.87%   1.6297%  17.09%                    0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847019  82.64%  32.00%   3.4144%  35.81%                  162.81388  74.23%  11.96%   0.0013%         0.00000
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                668303  69.87%  10.59%   2.6940%  28.25%                13963.94830  76.12%  15.85%   0.1145%         0.00000
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    226412  72.06%  10.01%   0.9127%   9.57%               108218.11728  76.81%  12.19%   0.8872%         0.00000
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95003  69.19%   9.86%   0.3830%   4.02%               233059.78513  70.93%  10.34%   1.9108%         0.00000
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      29992  72.25%   8.98%   0.1209%   1.27%               233938.55174  74.16%   8.96%   1.9180%         0.00000
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24236  70.10%   9.28%   0.0977%   1.02%               403972.84523  71.55%   9.47%   3.3120%         0.00000
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49906  92.97%  74.92%   0.2012%   2.11%              2321854.58095  94.60%  79.96%  19.0358%         0.00000
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4508  71.61%  16.99%   0.0182%   0.19%               269043.68708  71.13%  15.48%   2.2058%         0.00000
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5439  82.37%   8.59%   0.0219%   0.23%               513632.90805  83.38%   8.67%   4.2110%         0.00000
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7588  69.39%   8.76%   0.0306%   0.32%              1707653.00812  70.44%   9.33%  14.0003%         0.00000
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1541  71.84%   6.68%   0.0062%   0.07%              1181905.22759  74.39%   6.94%   9.6899%         0.00000
> 1000 BTC                              1096  67.88%  11.04%   0.0044%   0.05%              5209868.29249  70.74%   6.61%  42.7134%         0.00000
                  Totale Attivi      2365323  69.79%  19.20%   9.5349% 100.00%             12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
                  Totale Generale   24807081   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%                     12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
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block#  278202  01/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22484473   0.00%   0.00%  90.4624%              42715         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404283  38.36%   8.87%   1.6266%  17.05%          3         0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847817  82.63%  31.97%   3.4110%  35.76%        798       163.03854  74.22%  11.95%   0.0013%         0.22467
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670968  69.87%  10.54%   2.6995%  28.30%       2665     14038.53135  76.04%  15.76%   0.1150%        74.58306
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    227759  71.93%   9.95%   0.9163%   9.61%       1347    108723.69698  76.66%  12.13%   0.8910%       505.57969
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95113  69.09%   9.85%   0.3827%   4.01%        110    233340.10817  70.86%  10.33%   1.9122%       280.32304
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30192  72.24%   8.91%   0.1215%   1.27%        200    235463.04806  74.17%   8.89%   1.9296%      1524.49633
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24337  70.10%   9.23%   0.0979%   1.03%        101    405654.08188  71.51%   9.43%   3.3244%      1681.23665
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49954  92.91%  74.85%   0.2010%   2.11%         48   2323229.78711  94.56%  79.91%  19.0391%      1375.20616
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4505  71.74%  16.98%   0.0181%   0.19%         -3    268891.55012  71.27%  15.47%   2.2036%      -152.13695
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5427  82.40%   8.61%   0.0218%   0.23%        -12    512617.40666  83.40%   8.69%   4.2010%     -1015.50140
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7567  69.37%   8.79%   0.0304%   0.32%        -21   1701775.49886  70.42%   9.36%  13.9462%     -5877.50926
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1537  72.02%   6.70%   0.0062%   0.06%         -4   1178115.25713  74.62%   6.96%   9.6548%     -3789.97046
> 1000 BTC                              1115  66.37%  10.85%   0.0045%   0.05%         19   5220386.75507  70.00%   6.60%  42.7816%     10518.46258
                  Totale Attivi      2370574  69.78%  19.15%   9.5376% 100.00%       5251  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
                  Totale Generale   24855047   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%              47966  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
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block#  278336  02/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22548281   0.00%   0.00%  90.4712%              63808         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404294  38.36%   8.86%   1.6222%  17.02%         11         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     849233  82.56%  31.91%   3.4074%  35.76%       1416       164.01134  73.91%  11.87%   0.0013%         0.97280
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670296  70.09%  10.55%   2.6895%  28.22%       -672     14074.73463  76.17%  15.72%   0.1153%        36.20327
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230397  71.69%   9.83%   0.9244%   9.70%       2638    109662.76743  76.43%  12.03%   0.8985%       939.07046
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95858  68.92%   9.77%   0.3846%   4.04%        745    235184.94718  70.67%  10.24%   1.9268%      1844.83901
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30365  71.94%   8.86%   0.1218%   1.28%        173    236584.64221  73.88%   8.85%   1.9383%      1121.59415
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24368  69.95%   9.22%   0.0978%   1.03%         31    406342.63442  71.36%   9.41%   3.3291%       688.55253
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49941  92.88%  74.83%   0.2004%   2.10%        -13   2322187.02708  94.54%  79.91%  19.0254%     -1042.76003
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4498  71.70%  16.99%   0.0180%   0.19%         -7    268495.95315  71.24%  15.47%   2.1997%      -395.59698
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5419  82.45%   8.56%   0.0217%   0.23%         -8    511864.48125  83.45%   8.64%   4.1936%      -752.92540
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7559  69.23%   8.80%   0.0303%   0.32%         -8   1700460.60661  70.31%   9.37%  13.9316%     -1314.89225
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1534  71.97%   6.71%   0.0062%   0.06%         -3   1176161.60717  74.56%   6.97%   9.6361%     -1953.64996
> 1000 BTC                              1119  66.31%  10.81%   0.0045%   0.05%          4   5224565.35163  70.04%   6.59%  42.8041%      4178.59656
                  Totale Attivi      2374881  69.79%  19.12%   9.5288% 100.00%       4307  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416
                  Totale Generale   24923162   6.65%   1.82% 100.0000%              68115  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416

num      : number of addresses in this range of balance
%noOut   : percentage of active addresses WITHOUT out operations
%dead    : percentage of active addresses with input and output operations prior to 2012
%of tot  : percentage of the TOTAL number addresses
%of act  : percentage of the number of addresses with zero balance (active)
diff prev: number variation compared to the previous table
%noOut   : % value transactions WITHOUT output ( % value of range)
%vdead   : % operations value prev 2012 ( % value of range))
%TotVal  : % value of this range compared to the total value
diff prev: change in value compared to the previous table

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block#  277997  31/12/2013               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22441758   0.00%   0.00%  90.4651%                            0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404280  38.36%   8.87%   1.6297%  17.09%                    0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847019  82.64%  32.00%   3.4144%  35.81%                  162.81388  74.23%  11.96%   0.0013%         0.00000
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                668303  69.87%  10.59%   2.6940%  28.25%                13963.94830  76.12%  15.85%   0.1145%         0.00000
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    226412  72.06%  10.01%   0.9127%   9.57%               108218.11728  76.81%  12.19%   0.8872%         0.00000
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95003  69.19%   9.86%   0.3830%   4.02%               233059.78513  70.93%  10.34%   1.9108%         0.00000
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      29992  72.25%   8.98%   0.1209%   1.27%               233938.55174  74.16%   8.96%   1.9180%         0.00000
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24236  70.10%   9.28%   0.0977%   1.02%               403972.84523  71.55%   9.47%   3.3120%         0.00000
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49906  92.97%  74.92%   0.2012%   2.11%              2321854.58095  94.60%  79.96%  19.0358%         0.00000
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4508  71.61%  16.99%   0.0182%   0.19%               269043.68708  71.13%  15.48%   2.2058%         0.00000
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5439  82.37%   8.59%   0.0219%   0.23%               513632.90805  83.38%   8.67%   4.2110%         0.00000
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7588  69.39%   8.76%   0.0306%   0.32%              1707653.00812  70.44%   9.33%  14.0003%         0.00000
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1541  71.84%   6.68%   0.0062%   0.07%              1181905.22759  74.39%   6.94%   9.6899%         0.00000
> 1000 BTC                              1096  67.88%  11.04%   0.0044%   0.05%              5209868.29249  70.74%   6.61%  42.7134%         0.00000
                  Totale Attivi      2365323  69.79%  19.20%   9.5349% 100.00%             12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
                  Totale Generale   24807081   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%                     12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
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block#  278202  01/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22484473   0.00%   0.00%  90.4624%              42715         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404283  38.36%   8.87%   1.6266%  17.05%          3         0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847817  82.63%  31.97%   3.4110%  35.76%        798       163.03854  74.22%  11.95%   0.0013%         0.22467
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670968  69.87%  10.54%   2.6995%  28.30%       2665     14038.53135  76.04%  15.76%   0.1150%        74.58306
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    227759  71.93%   9.95%   0.9163%   9.61%       1347    108723.69698  76.66%  12.13%   0.8910%       505.57969
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95113  69.09%   9.85%   0.3827%   4.01%        110    233340.10817  70.86%  10.33%   1.9122%       280.32304
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30192  72.24%   8.91%   0.1215%   1.27%        200    235463.04806  74.17%   8.89%   1.9296%      1524.49633
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24337  70.10%   9.23%   0.0979%   1.03%        101    405654.08188  71.51%   9.43%   3.3244%      1681.23665
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49954  92.91%  74.85%   0.2010%   2.11%         48   2323229.78711  94.56%  79.91%  19.0391%      1375.20616
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4505  71.74%  16.98%   0.0181%   0.19%         -3    268891.55012  71.27%  15.47%   2.2036%      -152.13695
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5427  82.40%   8.61%   0.0218%   0.23%        -12    512617.40666  83.40%   8.69%   4.2010%     -1015.50140
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7567  69.37%   8.79%   0.0304%   0.32%        -21   1701775.49886  70.42%   9.36%  13.9462%     -5877.50926
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1537  72.02%   6.70%   0.0062%   0.06%         -4   1178115.25713  74.62%   6.96%   9.6548%     -3789.97046
> 1000 BTC                              1115  66.37%  10.85%   0.0045%   0.05%         19   5220386.75507  70.00%   6.60%  42.7816%     10518.46258
                  Totale Attivi      2370574  69.78%  19.15%   9.5376% 100.00%       5251  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
                  Totale Generale   24855047   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%              47966  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
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block#  278336  02/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22548281   0.00%   0.00%  90.4712%              63808         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404294  38.36%   8.86%   1.6222%  17.02%         11         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     849233  82.56%  31.91%   3.4074%  35.76%       1416       164.01134  73.91%  11.87%   0.0013%         0.97280
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670296  70.09%  10.55%   2.6895%  28.22%       -672     14074.73463  76.17%  15.72%   0.1153%        36.20327
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230397  71.69%   9.83%   0.9244%   9.70%       2638    109662.76743  76.43%  12.03%   0.8985%       939.07046
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95858  68.92%   9.77%   0.3846%   4.04%        745    235184.94718  70.67%  10.24%   1.9268%      1844.83901
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30365  71.94%   8.86%   0.1218%   1.28%        173    236584.64221  73.88%   8.85%   1.9383%      1121.59415
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24368  69.95%   9.22%   0.0978%   1.03%         31    406342.63442  71.36%   9.41%   3.3291%       688.55253
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49941  92.88%  74.83%   0.2004%   2.10%        -13   2322187.02708  94.54%  79.91%  19.0254%     -1042.76003
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4498  71.70%  16.99%   0.0180%   0.19%         -7    268495.95315  71.24%  15.47%   2.1997%      -395.59698
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5419  82.45%   8.56%   0.0217%   0.23%         -8    511864.48125  83.45%   8.64%   4.1936%      -752.92540
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7559  69.23%   8.80%   0.0303%   0.32%         -8   1700460.60661  70.31%   9.37%  13.9316%     -1314.89225
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1534  71.97%   6.71%   0.0062%   0.06%         -3   1176161.60717  74.56%   6.97%   9.6361%     -1953.64996
> 1000 BTC                              1119  66.31%  10.81%   0.0045%   0.05%          4   5224565.35163  70.04%   6.59%  42.8041%      4178.59656
                  Totale Attivi      2374881  69.79%  19.12%   9.5288% 100.00%       4307  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416
                  Totale Generale   24923162   6.65%   1.82% 100.0000%              68115  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416
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block#  278497  03/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22619823   0.00%   0.00%  90.4812%              71542         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404312  38.36%   8.86%   1.6173%  16.99%         18         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     851118  82.54%  31.84%   3.4045%  35.77%       1885       164.72642  73.90%  11.82%   0.0013%         0.71508
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                672654  70.09%  10.51%   2.6907%  28.27%       2358     14138.44987  76.11%  15.65%   0.1158%        63.71524
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230834  71.71%   9.81%   0.9234%   9.70%        437    109660.78547  76.50%  12.02%   0.8981%        -1.98196
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95667  69.02%   9.78%   0.3827%   4.02%       -191    234978.16300  70.77%  10.24%   1.9245%      -206.78418
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30576  72.45%   8.79%   0.1223%   1.28%        211    238570.03577  74.42%   8.77%   1.9539%      1985.39356
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24397  69.95%   9.21%   0.0976%   1.03%         29    406538.83957  71.34%   9.40%   3.3296%       196.20515
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49935  92.90%  74.84%   0.1997%   2.10%         -6   2321757.94310  94.56%  79.92%  19.0156%      -429.08398
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4526  71.74%  16.88%   0.0181%   0.19%         28    270012.51618  71.27%  15.38%   2.2114%      1516.56303
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5437  82.55%   8.52%   0.0217%   0.23%         18    513355.25715  83.54%   8.60%   4.2045%      1490.77590
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7550  69.44%   8.81%   0.0302%   0.32%         -9   1696510.13982  70.73%   9.39%  13.8947%     -3950.46679
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1533  71.75%   6.72%   0.0061%   0.06%         -1   1175737.73593  74.23%   6.98%   9.6295%      -423.87124
> 1000 BTC                              1106  67.81%  10.94%   0.0044%   0.05%        -13   5228349.16611  70.97%   6.59%  42.8210%      3783.81449
                  Totale Attivi      2379645  69.80%  19.08%   9.5188% 100.00%       4764  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431
                  Totale Generale   24999468   6.64%   1.82% 100.0000%              76306  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431

num      : number of addresses in this range of balance
%noOut   : percentage of active addresses WITHOUT out operations
%dead    : percentage of active addresses with input and output operations prior to 2012
%of tot  : percentage of the TOTAL number addresses
%of act  : percentage of the number of addresses with zero balance (active)
diff prev: number variation compared to the previous table
%noOut   : % value transactions WITHOUT output ( % value of range)
%vdead   : % operations value prev 2012 ( % value of range))
%TotVal  : % value of this range compared to the total value
diff prev: change in value compared to the previous table

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An analysis without take in consideration some fundamental principles of finances and economics applied to a medium of exchange.

Fail.

OP, start again here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

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In microeconomics, supply and demand is an economic model of price determination in a market. It concludes that in a competitive market, the unit price for a particular good will vary until it settles at a point where the quantity demanded by consumers (at current price) will equal the quantity supplied by producers (at current price), resulting in an economic equilibrium for price and quantity.

The four basic laws of supply and demand are:

If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.
If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.

OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result. You need more sources of data just to start with the assumptions. You are relying your whole theory only on blockchain.info data.
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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

Nope, that is up to you convince everyone except yourself that your theory is valid.
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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

Nope, that is up to you convince everyone except yourself that your theory is valid.

It is what im am tryng to do, with number and some math, not simply speaking.

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Great analysis!

I suppose that the exponential growth of bitcoin prices must eventually stop, and I have modeled prices according to a logistic model. Now I wondering about what happens to address growth when inevitably price growth slows down.

Any thoughts about this?

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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

Nope, that is up to you convince everyone except yourself that your theory is valid.

Nope, each person have to prove his own statement.
Simply saying "no" is just obstructing.

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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

Nope, that is up to you convince everyone except yourself that your theory is valid.

Nope, each person have to prove his own statement.
Simply saying "no" is just obstructing.

Incorrect.  Pointing out that a statement is not adequetly defended is not something which itself needs backing.  If you say "unicorns exist", a perfectly valid response is "prove it".  It's not on me to prove they don't.  Similarly, gbianchi's claims are reversed engineered from the data, so of course they fit.  In order to show the validity of the equation and the other claims, he would need to show they work with new data.  Calling BS is a perfectly valid response.

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very interesting and good work!  Cool
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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

Nope, that is up to you convince everyone except yourself that your theory is valid.

Nope, each person have to prove his own statement.
Simply saying "no" is just obstructing.

Incorrect.  Pointing out that a statement is not adequetly defended is not something which itself needs backing.  If you say "unicorns exist", a perfectly valid response is "prove it".  It's not on me to prove they don't.  Similarly, gbianchi's claims are reversed engineered from the data, so of course they fit.  In order to show the validity of the equation and the other claims, he would need to show they work with new data.  Calling BS is a perfectly valid response.

Nope, If someone says "unicorns exist" and then "proves" it with some kind of argument, you can not just say that it's BS, you have to point out the errors of the argument.
In this case he would have to explain why he doesn't think the data is sufficient.

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I just see a bunch of numbers and no explanations.

He explained every step.

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2014 first data:


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block#  278497  03/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22619823   0.00%   0.00%  90.4812%              71542         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404312  38.36%   8.86%   1.6173%  16.99%         18         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     851118  82.54%  31.84%   3.4045%  35.77%       1885       164.72642  73.90%  11.82%   0.0013%         0.71508
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                672654  70.09%  10.51%   2.6907%  28.27%       2358     14138.44987  76.11%  15.65%   0.1158%        63.71524
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230834  71.71%   9.81%   0.9234%   9.70%        437    109660.78547  76.50%  12.02%   0.8981%        -1.98196
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95667  69.02%   9.78%   0.3827%   4.02%       -191    234978.16300  70.77%  10.24%   1.9245%      -206.78418
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30576  72.45%   8.79%   0.1223%   1.28%        211    238570.03577  74.42%   8.77%   1.9539%      1985.39356
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24397  69.95%   9.21%   0.0976%   1.03%         29    406538.83957  71.34%   9.40%   3.3296%       196.20515
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49935  92.90%  74.84%   0.1997%   2.10%         -6   2321757.94310  94.56%  79.92%  19.0156%      -429.08398
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4526  71.74%  16.88%   0.0181%   0.19%         28    270012.51618  71.27%  15.38%   2.2114%      1516.56303
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5437  82.55%   8.52%   0.0217%   0.23%         18    513355.25715  83.54%   8.60%   4.2045%      1490.77590
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7550  69.44%   8.81%   0.0302%   0.32%         -9   1696510.13982  70.73%   9.39%  13.8947%     -3950.46679
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1533  71.75%   6.72%   0.0061%   0.06%         -1   1175737.73593  74.23%   6.98%   9.6295%      -423.87124
> 1000 BTC                              1106  67.81%  10.94%   0.0044%   0.05%        -13   5228349.16611  70.97%   6.59%  42.8210%      3783.81449
                  Totale Attivi      2379645  69.80%  19.08%   9.5188% 100.00%       4764  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431
                  Totale Generale   24999468   6.64%   1.82% 100.0000%              76306  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431


gbianchi,

Okay, I am following what you did, but I want to make sure I am calculating your final formula properly.
Using the data from January 3rd, 2014, above, I have:

PRICE = (I^2.26) / (e^32)

I am using I = 24999468, correct?

Assuming that is right, I have:

PRICE = (24999468 ^ 2.26) / (7.8963 x 10^13)
   = 663.59

... this is rounding the result, as well as using the rounded (I^2.26), rather than I^2.25776....

Am I applying this correctly?

Thanks!


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2014 first data:


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block#  278497  03/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22619823   0.00%   0.00%  90.4812%              71542         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404312  38.36%   8.86%   1.6173%  16.99%         18         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     851118  82.54%  31.84%   3.4045%  35.77%       1885       164.72642  73.90%  11.82%   0.0013%         0.71508
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                672654  70.09%  10.51%   2.6907%  28.27%       2358     14138.44987  76.11%  15.65%   0.1158%        63.71524
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230834  71.71%   9.81%   0.9234%   9.70%        437    109660.78547  76.50%  12.02%   0.8981%        -1.98196
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95667  69.02%   9.78%   0.3827%   4.02%       -191    234978.16300  70.77%  10.24%   1.9245%      -206.78418
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30576  72.45%   8.79%   0.1223%   1.28%        211    238570.03577  74.42%   8.77%   1.9539%      1985.39356
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24397  69.95%   9.21%   0.0976%   1.03%         29    406538.83957  71.34%   9.40%   3.3296%       196.20515
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49935  92.90%  74.84%   0.1997%   2.10%         -6   2321757.94310  94.56%  79.92%  19.0156%      -429.08398
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4526  71.74%  16.88%   0.0181%   0.19%         28    270012.51618  71.27%  15.38%   2.2114%      1516.56303
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5437  82.55%   8.52%   0.0217%   0.23%         18    513355.25715  83.54%   8.60%   4.2045%      1490.77590
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7550  69.44%   8.81%   0.0302%   0.32%         -9   1696510.13982  70.73%   9.39%  13.8947%     -3950.46679
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1533  71.75%   6.72%   0.0061%   0.06%         -1   1175737.73593  74.23%   6.98%   9.6295%      -423.87124
> 1000 BTC                              1106  67.81%  10.94%   0.0044%   0.05%        -13   5228349.16611  70.97%   6.59%  42.8210%      3783.81449
                  Totale Attivi      2379645  69.80%  19.08%   9.5188% 100.00%       4764  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431
                  Totale Generale   24999468   6.64%   1.82% 100.0000%              76306  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431


gbianchi,

Okay, I am following what you did, but I want to make sure I am calculating your final formula properly.
Using the data from January 3rd, 2014, above, I have:

PRICE = (I^2.26) / (e^32)

I am using I = 24999468, correct?

Assuming that is right, I have:

PRICE = (24999468 ^ 2.26) / (7.8963 x 10^13)
   = 663.59

... this is rounding the result, as well as using the rounded (I^2.26), rather than I^2.25776....

Am I applying this correctly?

Thanks!




correct !

and the non-approximated

$pr= ($cnt ** 2.25776380522923)/exp(31.8462990266051);

744.917852440036




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block#  277997  31/12/2013               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22441758   0.00%   0.00%  90.4651%                            0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404280  38.36%   8.87%   1.6297%  17.09%                    0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847019  82.64%  32.00%   3.4144%  35.81%                  162.81388  74.23%  11.96%   0.0013%         0.00000
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                668303  69.87%  10.59%   2.6940%  28.25%                13963.94830  76.12%  15.85%   0.1145%         0.00000
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    226412  72.06%  10.01%   0.9127%   9.57%               108218.11728  76.81%  12.19%   0.8872%         0.00000
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95003  69.19%   9.86%   0.3830%   4.02%               233059.78513  70.93%  10.34%   1.9108%         0.00000
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      29992  72.25%   8.98%   0.1209%   1.27%               233938.55174  74.16%   8.96%   1.9180%         0.00000
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24236  70.10%   9.28%   0.0977%   1.02%               403972.84523  71.55%   9.47%   3.3120%         0.00000
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49906  92.97%  74.92%   0.2012%   2.11%              2321854.58095  94.60%  79.96%  19.0358%         0.00000
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4508  71.61%  16.99%   0.0182%   0.19%               269043.68708  71.13%  15.48%   2.2058%         0.00000
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5439  82.37%   8.59%   0.0219%   0.23%               513632.90805  83.38%   8.67%   4.2110%         0.00000
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7588  69.39%   8.76%   0.0306%   0.32%              1707653.00812  70.44%   9.33%  14.0003%         0.00000
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1541  71.84%   6.68%   0.0062%   0.07%              1181905.22759  74.39%   6.94%   9.6899%         0.00000
> 1000 BTC                              1096  67.88%  11.04%   0.0044%   0.05%              5209868.29249  70.74%   6.61%  42.7134%         0.00000
                  Totale Attivi      2365323  69.79%  19.20%   9.5349% 100.00%             12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
                  Totale Generale   24807081   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%                     12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
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block#  278202  01/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22484473   0.00%   0.00%  90.4624%              42715         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404283  38.36%   8.87%   1.6266%  17.05%          3         0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847817  82.63%  31.97%   3.4110%  35.76%        798       163.03854  74.22%  11.95%   0.0013%         0.22467
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670968  69.87%  10.54%   2.6995%  28.30%       2665     14038.53135  76.04%  15.76%   0.1150%        74.58306
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    227759  71.93%   9.95%   0.9163%   9.61%       1347    108723.69698  76.66%  12.13%   0.8910%       505.57969
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95113  69.09%   9.85%   0.3827%   4.01%        110    233340.10817  70.86%  10.33%   1.9122%       280.32304
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30192  72.24%   8.91%   0.1215%   1.27%        200    235463.04806  74.17%   8.89%   1.9296%      1524.49633
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24337  70.10%   9.23%   0.0979%   1.03%        101    405654.08188  71.51%   9.43%   3.3244%      1681.23665
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49954  92.91%  74.85%   0.2010%   2.11%         48   2323229.78711  94.56%  79.91%  19.0391%      1375.20616
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4505  71.74%  16.98%   0.0181%   0.19%         -3    268891.55012  71.27%  15.47%   2.2036%      -152.13695
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5427  82.40%   8.61%   0.0218%   0.23%        -12    512617.40666  83.40%   8.69%   4.2010%     -1015.50140
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7567  69.37%   8.79%   0.0304%   0.32%        -21   1701775.49886  70.42%   9.36%  13.9462%     -5877.50926
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1537  72.02%   6.70%   0.0062%   0.06%         -4   1178115.25713  74.62%   6.96%   9.6548%     -3789.97046
> 1000 BTC                              1115  66.37%  10.85%   0.0045%   0.05%         19   5220386.75507  70.00%   6.60%  42.7816%     10518.46258
                  Totale Attivi      2370574  69.78%  19.15%   9.5376% 100.00%       5251  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
                  Totale Generale   24855047   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%              47966  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
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block#  278336  02/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22548281   0.00%   0.00%  90.4712%              63808         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404294  38.36%   8.86%   1.6222%  17.02%         11         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     849233  82.56%  31.91%   3.4074%  35.76%       1416       164.01134  73.91%  11.87%   0.0013%         0.97280
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670296  70.09%  10.55%   2.6895%  28.22%       -672     14074.73463  76.17%  15.72%   0.1153%        36.20327
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230397  71.69%   9.83%   0.9244%   9.70%       2638    109662.76743  76.43%  12.03%   0.8985%       939.07046
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95858  68.92%   9.77%   0.3846%   4.04%        745    235184.94718  70.67%  10.24%   1.9268%      1844.83901
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30365  71.94%   8.86%   0.1218%   1.28%        173    236584.64221  73.88%   8.85%   1.9383%      1121.59415
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24368  69.95%   9.22%   0.0978%   1.03%         31    406342.63442  71.36%   9.41%   3.3291%       688.55253
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49941  92.88%  74.83%   0.2004%   2.10%        -13   2322187.02708  94.54%  79.91%  19.0254%     -1042.76003
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4498  71.70%  16.99%   0.0180%   0.19%         -7    268495.95315  71.24%  15.47%   2.1997%      -395.59698
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5419  82.45%   8.56%   0.0217%   0.23%         -8    511864.48125  83.45%   8.64%   4.1936%      -752.92540
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7559  69.23%   8.80%   0.0303%   0.32%         -8   1700460.60661  70.31%   9.37%  13.9316%     -1314.89225
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1534  71.97%   6.71%   0.0062%   0.06%         -3   1176161.60717  74.56%   6.97%   9.6361%     -1953.64996
> 1000 BTC                              1119  66.31%  10.81%   0.0045%   0.05%          4   5224565.35163  70.04%   6.59%  42.8041%      4178.59656
                  Totale Attivi      2374881  69.79%  19.12%   9.5288% 100.00%       4307  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416
                  Totale Generale   24923162   6.65%   1.82% 100.0000%              68115  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416
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block#  278497  03/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22619823   0.00%   0.00%  90.4812%              71542         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404312  38.36%   8.86%   1.6173%  16.99%         18         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     851118  82.54%  31.84%   3.4045%  35.77%       1885       164.72642  73.90%  11.82%   0.0013%         0.71508
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                672654  70.09%  10.51%   2.6907%  28.27%       2358     14138.44987  76.11%  15.65%   0.1158%        63.71524
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230834  71.71%   9.81%   0.9234%   9.70%        437    109660.78547  76.50%  12.02%   0.8981%        -1.98196
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95667  69.02%   9.78%   0.3827%   4.02%       -191    234978.16300  70.77%  10.24%   1.9245%      -206.78418
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30576  72.45%   8.79%   0.1223%   1.28%        211    238570.03577  74.42%   8.77%   1.9539%      1985.39356
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24397  69.95%   9.21%   0.0976%   1.03%         29    406538.83957  71.34%   9.40%   3.3296%       196.20515
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49935  92.90%  74.84%   0.1997%   2.10%         -6   2321757.94310  94.56%  79.92%  19.0156%      -429.08398
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4526  71.74%  16.88%   0.0181%   0.19%         28    270012.51618  71.27%  15.38%   2.2114%      1516.56303
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5437  82.55%   8.52%   0.0217%   0.23%         18    513355.25715  83.54%   8.60%   4.2045%      1490.77590
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7550  69.44%   8.81%   0.0302%   0.32%         -9   1696510.13982  70.73%   9.39%  13.8947%     -3950.46679
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1533  71.75%   6.72%   0.0061%   0.06%         -1   1175737.73593  74.23%   6.98%   9.6295%      -423.87124
> 1000 BTC                              1106  67.81%  10.94%   0.0044%   0.05%        -13   5228349.16611  70.97%   6.59%  42.8210%      3783.81449
                  Totale Attivi      2379645  69.80%  19.08%   9.5188% 100.00%       4764  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431
                  Totale Generale   24999468   6.64%   1.82% 100.0000%              76306  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431
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block#  278638  04/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22673227   0.00%   0.00%  90.4808%              53404         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404295  38.36%   8.86%   1.6134%  16.95%        -17         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%        -0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     851956  82.53%  31.81%   3.3999%  35.72%        838       164.96949  73.91%  11.80%   0.0014%         0.24306
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                675763  70.06%  10.46%   2.6967%  28.33%       3109     14247.40922  75.96%  15.53%   0.1167%       108.95934
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    231889  71.63%   9.76%   0.9254%   9.72%       1055    110119.05170  76.51%  11.97%   0.9016%       458.26623
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       96238  68.86%   9.72%   0.3841%   4.03%        571    236178.53363  70.57%  10.18%   1.9338%      1200.37063
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30697  72.31%   8.75%   0.1225%   1.29%        121    239508.99274  74.28%   8.73%   1.9611%       938.95697
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24472  69.83%   9.16%   0.0977%   1.03%         75    407689.10673  71.23%   9.36%   3.3381%      1150.26716
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49977  92.92%  74.77%   0.1994%   2.10%         42   2323276.23979  94.57%  79.86%  19.0225%      1518.29669
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4521  71.89%  16.90%   0.0180%   0.19%         -5    269676.82062  71.41%  15.40%   2.2081%      -335.69556
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5452  82.58%   8.47%   0.0218%   0.23%         15    514754.05486  83.56%   8.56%   4.2147%      1398.79771
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7545  69.78%   8.81%   0.0301%   0.32%         -5   1687604.18765  71.22%   9.44%  13.8178%     -8905.95216
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1465  74.81%   7.03%   0.0058%   0.06%        -68   1132728.92220  76.80%   7.24%   9.2746%    -43008.81373
> 1000 BTC                              1112  66.64%  10.88%   0.0044%   0.05%          6   5277350.45896  69.19%   6.53%  43.2099%     49001.29285
                  Totale Attivi      2385382  69.79%  19.03%   9.5192% 100.00%       5737  12213298.75135  75.93%  21.49% 100.0000%      3524.98918
                  Totale Generale   25058609   6.64%   1.81% 100.0000%              59141  12213298.75135  75.93%  21.49% 100.0000%      3524.98918

num      : number of addresses in this range of balance
%noOut   : percentage of active addresses WITHOUT out operations
%dead    : percentage of active addresses with input and output operations prior to 2012
%of tot  : percentage of the TOTAL number addresses
%of act  : percentage of the number of addresses with zero balance (active)
diff prev: number variation compared to the previous table
%noOut   : % value transactions WITHOUT output ( % value of range)
%vdead   : % operations value prev 2012 ( % value of range))
%TotVal  : % value of this range compared to the total value
diff prev: change in value compared to the previous table

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thank you OP .Got it . gonna buy tons of BTC  Grin
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25 million Bitcoin total adddresses !!!

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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

Nope, that is up to you convince everyone except yourself that your theory is valid.

Nope, each person have to prove his own statement.
Simply saying "no" is just obstructing.

Incorrect.  Pointing out that a statement is not adequetly defended is not something which itself needs backing.  If you say "unicorns exist", a perfectly valid response is "prove it".  It's not on me to prove they don't.  Similarly, gbianchi's claims are reversed engineered from the data, so of course they fit.  In order to show the validity of the equation and the other claims, he would need to show they work with new data.  Calling BS is a perfectly valid response.

Nope, If someone says "unicorns exist" and then "proves" it with some kind of argument, you can not just say that it's BS, you have to point out the errors of the argument.
In this case he would have to explain why he doesn't think the data is sufficient.

That's completely correct, and not what it appeared to me you had said/implied.

In this case, I'll do the arguing for the other guy and say that no matter how robust everything appears to be, it's still made to fit pre-existing data and the robustness may simply be to account for that.  It needs to fit NEW data, and unless he can cross apply it elsewhere, that just means waiting a few years to get enough.  I don't know enough about stats to get confidence rates for the quality of the theory based on new data, but I'm pretty sure one or two weeks since it came out is certainly not enough.

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OBS: By the way, your data set do not have enough information to achieve any accurate result.

 Prove it.

Nope, that is up to you convince everyone except yourself that your theory is valid.

Nope, each person have to prove his own statement.
Simply saying "no" is just obstructing.

Incorrect.  Pointing out that a statement is not adequetly defended is not something which itself needs backing.  If you say "unicorns exist", a perfectly valid response is "prove it".  It's not on me to prove they don't.  Similarly, gbianchi's claims are reversed engineered from the data, so of course they fit.  In order to show the validity of the equation and the other claims, he would need to show they work with new data.  Calling BS is a perfectly valid response.

Nope, If someone says "unicorns exist" and then "proves" it with some kind of argument, you can not just say that it's BS, you have to point out the errors of the argument.
In this case he would have to explain why he doesn't think the data is sufficient.

That's completely correct, and not what it appeared to me you had said/implied.

In this case, I'll do the arguing for the other guy and say that no matter how robust everything appears to be, it's still made to fit pre-existing data and the robustness may simply be to account for that.  It needs to fit NEW data, and unless he can cross apply it elsewhere, that just means waiting a few years to get enough.  I don't know enough about stats to get confidence rates for the quality of the theory based on new data, but I'm pretty sure one or two weeks since it came out is certainly not enough.

I agree with you.

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block#  277997  31/12/2013               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22441758   0.00%   0.00%  90.4651%                            0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404280  38.36%   8.87%   1.6297%  17.09%                    0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847019  82.64%  32.00%   3.4144%  35.81%                  162.81388  74.23%  11.96%   0.0013%         0.00000
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                668303  69.87%  10.59%   2.6940%  28.25%                13963.94830  76.12%  15.85%   0.1145%         0.00000
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    226412  72.06%  10.01%   0.9127%   9.57%               108218.11728  76.81%  12.19%   0.8872%         0.00000
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95003  69.19%   9.86%   0.3830%   4.02%               233059.78513  70.93%  10.34%   1.9108%         0.00000
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      29992  72.25%   8.98%   0.1209%   1.27%               233938.55174  74.16%   8.96%   1.9180%         0.00000
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24236  70.10%   9.28%   0.0977%   1.02%               403972.84523  71.55%   9.47%   3.3120%         0.00000
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49906  92.97%  74.92%   0.2012%   2.11%              2321854.58095  94.60%  79.96%  19.0358%         0.00000
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4508  71.61%  16.99%   0.0182%   0.19%               269043.68708  71.13%  15.48%   2.2058%         0.00000
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5439  82.37%   8.59%   0.0219%   0.23%               513632.90805  83.38%   8.67%   4.2110%         0.00000
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7588  69.39%   8.76%   0.0306%   0.32%              1707653.00812  70.44%   9.33%  14.0003%         0.00000
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1541  71.84%   6.68%   0.0062%   0.07%              1181905.22759  74.39%   6.94%   9.6899%         0.00000
> 1000 BTC                              1096  67.88%  11.04%   0.0044%   0.05%              5209868.29249  70.74%   6.61%  42.7134%         0.00000
                  Totale Attivi      2365323  69.79%  19.20%   9.5349% 100.00%             12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
                  Totale Generale   24807081   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%                     12197273.76960  76.29%  21.54% 100.0000%         0.00000
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block#  278202  01/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22484473   0.00%   0.00%  90.4624%              42715         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404283  38.36%   8.87%   1.6266%  17.05%          3         0.00404  38.36%   8.87%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     847817  82.63%  31.97%   3.4110%  35.76%        798       163.03854  74.22%  11.95%   0.0013%         0.22467
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670968  69.87%  10.54%   2.6995%  28.30%       2665     14038.53135  76.04%  15.76%   0.1150%        74.58306
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    227759  71.93%   9.95%   0.9163%   9.61%       1347    108723.69698  76.66%  12.13%   0.8910%       505.57969
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95113  69.09%   9.85%   0.3827%   4.01%        110    233340.10817  70.86%  10.33%   1.9122%       280.32304
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30192  72.24%   8.91%   0.1215%   1.27%        200    235463.04806  74.17%   8.89%   1.9296%      1524.49633
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24337  70.10%   9.23%   0.0979%   1.03%        101    405654.08188  71.51%   9.43%   3.3244%      1681.23665
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49954  92.91%  74.85%   0.2010%   2.11%         48   2323229.78711  94.56%  79.91%  19.0391%      1375.20616
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4505  71.74%  16.98%   0.0181%   0.19%         -3    268891.55012  71.27%  15.47%   2.2036%      -152.13695
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5427  82.40%   8.61%   0.0218%   0.23%        -12    512617.40666  83.40%   8.69%   4.2010%     -1015.50140
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7567  69.37%   8.79%   0.0304%   0.32%        -21   1701775.49886  70.42%   9.36%  13.9462%     -5877.50926
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1537  72.02%   6.70%   0.0062%   0.06%         -4   1178115.25713  74.62%   6.96%   9.6548%     -3789.97046
> 1000 BTC                              1115  66.37%  10.85%   0.0045%   0.05%         19   5220386.75507  70.00%   6.60%  42.7816%     10518.46258
                  Totale Attivi      2370574  69.78%  19.15%   9.5376% 100.00%       5251  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
                  Totale Generale   24855047   6.65%   1.83% 100.0000%              47966  12202398.76370  75.99%  21.53% 100.0000%      5124.99410
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block#  278336  02/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22548281   0.00%   0.00%  90.4712%              63808         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404294  38.36%   8.86%   1.6222%  17.02%         11         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     849233  82.56%  31.91%   3.4074%  35.76%       1416       164.01134  73.91%  11.87%   0.0013%         0.97280
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                670296  70.09%  10.55%   2.6895%  28.22%       -672     14074.73463  76.17%  15.72%   0.1153%        36.20327
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230397  71.69%   9.83%   0.9244%   9.70%       2638    109662.76743  76.43%  12.03%   0.8985%       939.07046
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95858  68.92%   9.77%   0.3846%   4.04%        745    235184.94718  70.67%  10.24%   1.9268%      1844.83901
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30365  71.94%   8.86%   0.1218%   1.28%        173    236584.64221  73.88%   8.85%   1.9383%      1121.59415
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24368  69.95%   9.22%   0.0978%   1.03%         31    406342.63442  71.36%   9.41%   3.3291%       688.55253
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49941  92.88%  74.83%   0.2004%   2.10%        -13   2322187.02708  94.54%  79.91%  19.0254%     -1042.76003
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4498  71.70%  16.99%   0.0180%   0.19%         -7    268495.95315  71.24%  15.47%   2.1997%      -395.59698
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5419  82.45%   8.56%   0.0217%   0.23%         -8    511864.48125  83.45%   8.64%   4.1936%      -752.92540
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7559  69.23%   8.80%   0.0303%   0.32%         -8   1700460.60661  70.31%   9.37%  13.9316%     -1314.89225
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1534  71.97%   6.71%   0.0062%   0.06%         -3   1176161.60717  74.56%   6.97%   9.6361%     -1953.64996
> 1000 BTC                              1119  66.31%  10.81%   0.0045%   0.05%          4   5224565.35163  70.04%   6.59%  42.8041%      4178.59656
                  Totale Attivi      2374881  69.79%  19.12%   9.5288% 100.00%       4307  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416
                  Totale Generale   24923162   6.65%   1.82% 100.0000%              68115  12205748.76786  75.96%  21.51% 100.0000%      3350.00416
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block#  278497  03/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22619823   0.00%   0.00%  90.4812%              71542         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404312  38.36%   8.86%   1.6173%  16.99%         18         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     851118  82.54%  31.84%   3.4045%  35.77%       1885       164.72642  73.90%  11.82%   0.0013%         0.71508
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                672654  70.09%  10.51%   2.6907%  28.27%       2358     14138.44987  76.11%  15.65%   0.1158%        63.71524
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    230834  71.71%   9.81%   0.9234%   9.70%        437    109660.78547  76.50%  12.02%   0.8981%        -1.98196
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95667  69.02%   9.78%   0.3827%   4.02%       -191    234978.16300  70.77%  10.24%   1.9245%      -206.78418
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30576  72.45%   8.79%   0.1223%   1.28%        211    238570.03577  74.42%   8.77%   1.9539%      1985.39356
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24397  69.95%   9.21%   0.0976%   1.03%         29    406538.83957  71.34%   9.40%   3.3296%       196.20515
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49935  92.90%  74.84%   0.1997%   2.10%         -6   2321757.94310  94.56%  79.92%  19.0156%      -429.08398
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4526  71.74%  16.88%   0.0181%   0.19%         28    270012.51618  71.27%  15.38%   2.2114%      1516.56303
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5437  82.55%   8.52%   0.0217%   0.23%         18    513355.25715  83.54%   8.60%   4.2045%      1490.77590
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7550  69.44%   8.81%   0.0302%   0.32%         -9   1696510.13982  70.73%   9.39%  13.8947%     -3950.46679
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1533  71.75%   6.72%   0.0061%   0.06%         -1   1175737.73593  74.23%   6.98%   9.6295%      -423.87124
> 1000 BTC                              1106  67.81%  10.94%   0.0044%   0.05%        -13   5228349.16611  70.97%   6.59%  42.8210%      3783.81449
                  Totale Attivi      2379645  69.80%  19.08%   9.5188% 100.00%       4764  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431
                  Totale Generale   24999468   6.64%   1.82% 100.0000%              76306  12209773.76217  76.40%  21.50% 100.0000%      4024.99431
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block#  278638  04/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22673227   0.00%   0.00%  90.4808%              53404         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404295  38.36%   8.86%   1.6134%  16.95%        -17         0.00404  38.36%   8.86%   0.0000%        -0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     851956  82.53%  31.81%   3.3999%  35.72%        838       164.96949  73.91%  11.80%   0.0014%         0.24306
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                675763  70.06%  10.46%   2.6967%  28.33%       3109     14247.40922  75.96%  15.53%   0.1167%       108.95934
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    231889  71.63%   9.76%   0.9254%   9.72%       1055    110119.05170  76.51%  11.97%   0.9016%       458.26623
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       96238  68.86%   9.72%   0.3841%   4.03%        571    236178.53363  70.57%  10.18%   1.9338%      1200.37063
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30697  72.31%   8.75%   0.1225%   1.29%        121    239508.99274  74.28%   8.73%   1.9611%       938.95697
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24472  69.83%   9.16%   0.0977%   1.03%         75    407689.10673  71.23%   9.36%   3.3381%      1150.26716
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     49977  92.92%  74.77%   0.1994%   2.10%         42   2323276.23979  94.57%  79.86%  19.0225%      1518.29669
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4521  71.89%  16.90%   0.0180%   0.19%         -5    269676.82062  71.41%  15.40%   2.2081%      -335.69556
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5452  82.58%   8.47%   0.0218%   0.23%         15    514754.05486  83.56%   8.56%   4.2147%      1398.79771
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7545  69.78%   8.81%   0.0301%   0.32%         -5   1687604.18765  71.22%   9.44%  13.8178%     -8905.95216
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1465  74.81%   7.03%   0.0058%   0.06%        -68   1132728.92220  76.80%   7.24%   9.2746%    -43008.81373
> 1000 BTC                              1112  66.64%  10.88%   0.0044%   0.05%          6   5277350.45896  69.19%   6.53%  43.2099%     49001.29285
                  Totale Attivi      2385382  69.79%  19.03%   9.5192% 100.00%       5737  12213298.75135  75.93%  21.49% 100.0000%      3524.98918
                  Totale Generale   25058609   6.64%   1.81% 100.0000%              59141  12213298.75135  75.93%  21.49% 100.0000%      3524.98918
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block#  278831  05/01/2014               num  %noOut   %dead   %of tot %of att  diff prev           value  %noOut  %vdead   %TotVal       diff prev
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vuoti (0 BTC)                       22739212   0.00%   0.00%  90.4908%              65985         0.00000   0.00%   0.00%   0.0000%         0.00000
= 1 satoshi (0.00000001 BTC)          404309  38.37%   8.86%   1.6090%  16.92%         14         0.00404  38.37%   8.86%   0.0000%         0.00000
> 1 satoshi <= 0.001 BTC  ( ~1$ )     852342  82.52%  31.79%   3.3919%  35.67%        386       165.21654  73.88%  11.78%   0.0014%         0.24706
> 0.001 BTC <= 0.1 BTC                679851  70.04%  10.39%   2.7055%  28.45%       4088     14339.32288  75.80%  15.42%   0.1174%        91.91367
> 0.1 BTC <= 1 BTC                    231974  71.47%   9.75%   0.9231%   9.71%         85    109726.96492  76.42%  12.01%   0.8981%      -392.08678
> 1 BTC <= 5 BTC                       95847  68.84%   9.75%   0.3814%   4.01%       -391    235624.74062  70.55%  10.20%   1.9285%      -553.79301
> 5 BTC <= 10 BTC                      30524  72.53%   8.78%   0.1215%   1.28%       -173    238352.07341  74.48%   8.75%   1.9508%     -1156.91933
> 10 BTC <= 25 BTC                     24519  69.98%   9.14%   0.0976%   1.03%         47    408407.84256  71.39%   9.34%   3.3426%       718.73583
> 25 BTC <= 50 BTC                     50000  92.96%  74.66%   0.1990%   2.09%         23   2323410.29452  94.59%  79.77%  19.0161%       134.05473
> 50 BTC <= 75 BTC                      4528  71.82%  16.87%   0.0180%   0.19%          7    270061.82610  71.33%  15.38%   2.2103%       385.00547
> 75 BTC <= 100 BTC                     5489  82.60%   8.38%   0.0218%   0.23%         37    518009.44498  83.60%   8.46%   4.2397%      3255.39013
> 100 BTC <= 500 BTC                    7576  69.90%   8.78%   0.0301%   0.32%         31   1693814.56175  71.31%   9.40%  13.8631%      6210.37410
> 500 btc <= 1000 BTC                   1461  74.54%   6.98%   0.0058%   0.06%         -4   1129756.99767  76.51%   7.20%   9.2466%     -2971.92453
> 1000 BTC                              1114  66.61%  10.86%   0.0044%   0.05%          2   5276454.46010  69.35%   6.53%  43.1855%      -895.99887
                  Totale Attivi      2389534  69.77%  18.99%   9.5092% 100.00%       4152  12218123.74982  75.99%  21.46% 100.0000%      4824.99847
                  Totale Generale   25128746   6.63%   1.81% 100.0000%              70137  12218123.74982  75.99%  21.46% 100.0000%      4824.99847

num      : number of addresses in this range of balance
%noOut   : percentage of active addresses WITHOUT out operations
%dead    : percentage of active addresses with input and output operations prior to 2012
%of tot  : percentage of the TOTAL number addresses
%of act  : percentage of the number of addresses with zero balance (active)
diff prev: number variation compared to the previous table
%noOut   : % value transactions WITHOUT output ( % value of range)
%vdead   : % operations value prev 2012 ( % value of range))
%TotVal  : % value of this range compared to the total value
diff prev: change in value compared to the previous table

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