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September 07, 2012, 02:48:14 AM
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Alright Andrew...

First you explain how you managed to lose that much money with blackjack...

Then you tell me how I get my 13.14 BTC, since I tried to withdraw and the balance is gone...

Seriously...

If you refuse to pay the winnings, then at least return my initial deposit (3 BTC), because I have more uses for that money (and it is not gambling, specially in a operator that now declared to have no intention to pay)

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September 07, 2012, 02:58:19 AM
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Alright Andrew...

First you explain how you managed to lose that much money with blackjack...

Then you tell me how I get my 13.14 BTC, since I tried to withdraw and the balance is gone...

Seriously...

If you refuse to pay the winnings, then at least return my initial deposit (3 BTC), because I have more uses for that money (and it is not gambling, specially in a operator that now declared to have no intention to pay)

Hey guy, you're beating a dead horse.
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September 07, 2012, 02:59:32 AM
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Alright Andrew...

First you explain how you managed to lose that much money with blackjack...

Then you tell me how I get my 13.14 BTC, since I tried to withdraw and the balance is gone...

Seriously...

If you refuse to pay the winnings, then at least return my initial deposit (3 BTC), because I have more uses for that money (and it is not gambling, specially in a operator that now declared to have no intention to pay)

Hey guy, you're beating a dead horse.

If feels good while it is not stinking...




Now without kidding, I want at least my 3 BTC back Sad

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September 07, 2012, 03:02:37 AM
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Alright Andrew...

First you explain how you managed to lose that much money with blackjack...

Then you tell me how I get my 13.14 BTC, since I tried to withdraw and the balance is gone...

Seriously...

If you refuse to pay the winnings, then at least return my initial deposit (3 BTC), because I have more uses for that money (and it is not gambling, specially in a operator that now declared to have no intention to pay)

Hey guy, you're beating a dead horse.

If feels good while it is not stinking...




Now without kidding, I want at least my 3 BTC back Sad

Get in line dude, he owes me 133btc, plus my account has over 300btc in it... seriously... you got all herpderpy about YAY! I WON 13btc!! after reading pages of the thread stating that big ol' withdrawls were not getting paid.
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September 07, 2012, 03:05:17 AM
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Well I wouldn't go giving out all your coins yet. After all you haven't gotten them all of your due amount have you?
Honestly I wasn't going to hold you to that but if your giving away your coins who am I to stop you? 1PN4ePKnoE7xfXCiQ2vYiCaBdgxmQV9kJH


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September 07, 2012, 03:08:03 AM
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Isn't trying to win more money when there's a lack of money counter-productive?

Andrew has been starting to pay out! Confidence somewhat restored!
Really? Cause even with my paltry amount I haven't seen jack.

Now you have seen .29! Transaction 62dc493ebfacb42396090f4e1bacfbc12b329f407fa0fda8f1a359c9d1abd415
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September 07, 2012, 03:09:32 AM
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Now I am feeling very dumb Sad

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September 07, 2012, 06:20:38 AM
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Holy spit you are too awesome! May the blackjack daemons be kinder to you than they were me. Smiley I take it that means you actually got your coins then?

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September 07, 2012, 03:14:11 PM
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Holy spit you are too awesome! May the blackjack daemons be kinder to you than they were me. Smiley I take it that means you actually got your coins then?

I only put in .2btc, have successfully withdrawn over 10 btc so far, with 300 left in my account.  Right now it feels like shaking the free money tree every once in awhile, sometimes a btc or two falls out... Sometimes nothing. 
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September 07, 2012, 03:16:47 PM
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A website bug allowed shrewd blackjack players to win considerably more then the site has made in a number of months.  I'm not reversing those winnings but I'm not paying this out of pocket.  If a withdraw you make doesn't work try again next week or two or for a smaller amount. 

Am I the only one who sees the GLARING error in logic here???  I'll bold it for you, just in case.  Andrew Bitcoiner, you fucked up, admit it. 

Protip: Test your site before you bring it online, especially if it deals with other people's money.
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September 07, 2012, 04:30:03 PM
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A website bug allowed shrewd blackjack players to win considerably more then the site has made in a number of months.  I'm not reversing those winnings but I'm not paying this out of pocket.  If a withdraw you make doesn't work try again next week or two or for a smaller amount. 

Out of interest, what was the bug?

Was it the case that the house edge was negative all along, and all you needed to do was play basic strategy to win?

I suppose you've fixed it now, so you're safe to tell us.  Smiley

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September 07, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
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Protip: Test your site before you bring it online, especially if it deals with other people's money.

Did you find a bug?  Were you aware that something was wrong on the site while you were winning?  I'm curious to know what happened here.

And yes, that logic seems flawed.  If you won more than the site made in several months when it didn't have the reputation of not being able to pay out, how is it going to recover that loss in a few weeks now that it's known to be out of funds?

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September 07, 2012, 04:41:08 PM
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Protip: Test your site before you bring it online, especially if it deals with other people's money.

Did you find a bug?  Were you aware that something was wrong on the site while you were winning?  I'm curious to know what happened here.

And yes, that logic seems flawed.  If you won more than the site made in several months when it didn't have the reputation of not being able to pay out, how is it going to recover that loss in a few weeks now that it's known to be out of funds?

Here's the secret (I actually PM'd him with my concern, it is fixed now) you could double down for free unless you busted, and splits were also free.  Since his TOS is 404'ed and he was not responding to e-mails, I just kept on playing.  I am assuming that he is letting me keep my winnings because I actually attempted to tell him about my concerns.  IMO he is not ever going to pay out the withdrawl attempts that fail.  Bottom line is: If you have any balance there, do not attempt to withdraw it until I tell you that my account is exhausted.  Once my 300btc have been withdrawn, it might be safe to attempt a withdrawl a week later. 
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September 07, 2012, 04:58:36 PM
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Here's the secret (I actually PM'd him with my concern, it is fixed now) you could double down for free unless you busted, and splits were also free.  Since his TOS is 404'ed and he was not responding to e-mails, I just kept on playing.  I am assuming that he is letting me keep my winnings because I actually attempted to tell him about my concerns.  IMO he is not ever going to pay out the withdrawl attempts that fail.  Bottom line is: If you have any balance there, do not attempt to withdraw it until I tell you that my account is exhausted.  Once my 300btc have been withdrawn, it might be safe to attempt a withdrawl a week later. 

I had a hunch you were cheating exploiting a bug. Didn't you say that you deposited something like BTC10 and ran it up to BTC130+? That's a hell of a sick heater if legit.

Back when I still played on the site, the server crashed once and when I rejoined the hand, it displayed the dealer's total (i.e. I knew what the dealer's hole card was). I couldn't tell how to reproduce the error and Andrew had already shown a disinterested attitude when I had emailed him about slow payouts, so I never bothered telling him.

Free double downs and splitting would be even more advantageous than seeing the dealer's hole card, I'd guess. Interesting thought experiment.

Dooglus - would you rather see the dealer's hole card every hand, or be allowed to double down and split for free?

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September 07, 2012, 05:15:14 PM
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Here's the secret (I actually PM'd him with my concern, it is fixed now) you could double down for free unless you busted, and splits were also free.  Since his TOS is 404'ed and he was not responding to e-mails, I just kept on playing.  I am assuming that he is letting me keep my winnings because I actually attempted to tell him about my concerns.  IMO he is not ever going to pay out the withdrawl attempts that fail.  Bottom line is: If you have any balance there, do not attempt to withdraw it until I tell you that my account is exhausted.  Once my 300btc have been withdrawn, it might be safe to attempt a withdrawl a week later. 

I had a hunch you were cheating exploiting a bug. Didn't you say that you deposited something like BTC10 and ran it up to BTC130+? That's a hell of a sick heater if legit.

Back when I still played on the site, the server crashed once and when I rejoined the hand, it displayed the dealer's total (i.e. I knew what the dealer's hole card was). I couldn't tell how to reproduce the error and Andrew had already shown a disinterested attitude when I had emailed him about slow payouts, so I never bothered telling him.

Free double downs and splitting would be even more advantageous than seeing the dealer's hole card, I'd guess. Interesting thought experiment.

Dooglus - would you rather see the dealer's hole card every hand, or be allowed to double down and split for free?



I deposited less than BTC1 and have withdrawn over BTC10, with over BTC300 left in my account.  I have a failed withdrawl attempt for over BTC133 which will never be paid.  I for one would rather see the hole card, but as it turns out double/split for free is a pretty good moneymaker.
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September 07, 2012, 07:36:29 PM
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I for one would rather see the hole card, but as it turns out double/split for free is a pretty good moneymaker.



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September 07, 2012, 08:43:37 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83328.0

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September 07, 2012, 09:41:34 PM
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Very interesting, seems my experience is par for the course.
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September 07, 2012, 11:57:45 PM
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Yeah when I played double downs weren't free and I only manged to get a big payout was with ballsy bets. I put up 1 BTC bets and hit multiple blackjacks, split three hands, etc.

I didn't exploit shit. I sat and played blackjack, bet conservatively and built up a bankroll and then placed bigger bets.

Now it seems like he tweaked the house or something to get more coins because I got beat back a dozen or so coins.

So, in summation. I don't consider myself a cheat and since I lost a good third of the payout back into the site I don't think it's unreasonable to actually pay me relatively soon so I can just lose more coin on your website.

Yeah, I don't consider myself a cheat for playing by the rules of the house, no matter how skewed in my favor those rules are. 
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September 09, 2012, 04:27:25 AM
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Dooglus - would you rather see the dealer's hole card every hand, or be allowed to double down and split for free?

If I had to decide right now, I'd chose to see the dealer's hole card every hand.  If I had longer, I'd run a simulation and find out which is really better.  It strikes me that knowing the hole card lets me play better strategy, whereas double-down and split are relatively rare in the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if my gut feeling was wrong though.

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