I'm going to be polite about this only once: if you just want to tell me to fuck off and die, why not just be honest about it? Say the words, and I'm gone. Seriously. Until then
the guy simply said start your own pool.. no reason for the profanity and to escalate this, this isnt 4chan. And your going to be "polite just this once"?? well you can be as impolite as you want banned from this board.
Any answer to questions and points made that is of the form "Go take your dinosaurs and play somewhere else", is inherently escalatory(sp?). All it proves is that this forum is indeed only for True Believers.
I've watched this forum for two months, and I've decided that is is game I wish not to play. So to save time (yours and mine), my answer is simple: fuck that shit. I like to think of myself as an honorable gentleman, so my offer stands: if you don't like me or my plain-talking arguments, say the word -- polite or otherwise -- and I am gone. You don't even have to procure the services of a moderator here to kick me out. Just one guy, anyone, even a 1 post newbie, merely has to say the word(s).
You sound like a sucker to me: transaction fees always make sense. Miners have a service to offer, and that needs to be paid for. The block "reward" is already way too low, and has been since the beginning.
You sound like a troll and really not someone I want to debate, yeah the reward is way too low(/s), which is why are are all making money mining BTC and people have had entire server farms paid for by their video card., My video card paid for itself in amonth.. but yeah Lets make the reward 100 coins.. we now only need to cut the price on mtgox in half.. and ....read teh wiki transaction fees are supposed to limit micro transactions which spam the chain. They are slowly growing and one day they will replace that 50btc blocks.
Sad to say it, but you sound like a sucker too, but one with an especially bad case of cognitive dissonance.
Yeah, sure, so you paid for your video cards. You cleared your electricity expenses. You got some value -- ironically, denominated in USD! -- from this little exercise.
But you could have gotten more.
For example, right now at www.bitcoinwatch.com
, it is reporting that 200k of BTC were transferred in the last 24hr. At a feeble fee of .1%, that is an extra 200 BTC that would have been distributed throughout the mining network.
It's as if everyone -- not just you, but everyone -- got a 3% boost in hashing rate.
You are not thinking this through.
I think that quote stands on its own.
Like I said, say the word, and I am gone.
Why is it that I am "greedy", when we have the bit.rich not paying for access to the confirmation services of the network? Sounds to me like they are the greedy ones
well for one people will just split up transactions much like people bundle them now. Plus what do you want people to do, broadcast that they want to make a large payment and then wait for the nodes to send back a fee structure? really?
Can we just ponder things a bit longer before the fingers tickle the keyboard?
Under a proportional fee it hardly matters how they structure the transaction.
It would be prudent, though, to add a bandwidth component to the fee, as it does cost resources, plus to keep the completely incompetent from trying to save a few micro-BTC due to rounding or something.
But of course, they aren't greedy -- they are just taking advantage of a sweet deal, architected mainly by deficient software. Miners and pool operators, though, are just being bit.lazy, if not downright bit.stupid.
People like you are one reason bitcoin isnt taken so seriously, How about tone it down a bit and maybe inject more facts and less insults into your "argument" which thus far ammounts to "believe me I have looked at the code, but I;m not going to prove my point cause you are too lazy and stupid."
I am to blame because bitcoin has not taken the world by storm? Gee.
How about this: you are to blame because YOU ARE NOT TAKING BITCOIN SERIOUSLY
(pardon the screaming).
It is your lack of initiative re: more realistic fee structures that is one (albeit small) component of bitcoin's general failure to date.
Now, unlike you, I can't lay all of the blame on joulesbeef or any other specific individual. Collectively though, you are all guilty. Miners, pool operators, developers. All of you have drunk the Koolaid, it is a fait accompli: the Satoshi-client position is that you can all collectively live on the 7200 BTC/day subsidy and nothing more.
Absolute, 100%, pure nonsense.
It is especially ironic that a bunch of libertarian diehard miners are basically living on nothing more than bit.dole!
They should look at the 2 million coins as a huge lost opportunity. A massive amount of money was left on the table, and this is not something to be proud of.
Left on what table? I should be pissed I didnt skim someone elses money into my pocket?
What do you mean "skimmed"? You are aware that the sender has to agree to the fee, right? If he wants to send a free transaction, let him find the damn block himself.
and why shouldnt we be proud? you know you cant move 10k in the us without involving the government, bitcoin just handled 20 million and it is no ones business but the owner(s).
Might I suggest you limit your focus to your bitcoin mining business?
Question: how can you maximize the return on your investment.
Answer: you have to go beyond the scraps the protocol throws you.
Pool operators especially should be asking this question, as they arguably owe a duty to their computational contributors.
I'm making money thank you. Yeah sure I could make more, but that doesnt mean I deserve more.
Fine, you want to remain poor. Your choice. Why not just turn off your miner? Whatever.
The rest of the network, though, does deserve more. A 2 megacoin transaction is worth far more to both the sender and the network
and can be assessed a correspondingly higher fee.
Furthermore, this is hardly radical stuff. Stock exchanges do this. Banks. Even television stations: they charge more for airtime at some times of the day than others, even though their is almost no difference in cost to them. Are they "skimming" their customers? Numerous other examples are easy to find.
On a separate subject, WE should be able to vote that some people stay in the newbie section a bit longer. Like every 10 votes adds a half our and 1 more post to their requirements. WE really cant have this place seem so 4chanish
Back to this again?
Man, maybe I should just leave.
How about his instead:
1) I believe this forum software has an ignore feature; just add me to the list and that's that! Out of sight, out of mind.
2) I hereby promise I will never, ever, apply for "whitelist" status, and I will even refuse to leave my cell if someone unlocks the door.