Don't be a fool - Stop mining on ETHPOOL right now

[koody]

There are about 7500 miners (probably all from the same guy) on ETHPOOL with hashrate between 2 mh/s and 6 mh/s picking up all uncles, take a look on these accounts:

https://ethpool.org/miners/F637b6c14aC70987380ca7f395b3735780B5CfB9/dashboard
https://ethpool.org/miners/E01C6a25dA471FB5Ea9E0de3B9Ed8f8B5a26cA14/dashboard
https://ethpool.org/miners/d43928F6F9ffc3Dd32A46BB99851562594466A55/dashboard
https://ethpool.org/miners/972Cd5e1484Bb06e36b617A6EA0b68C1Ec7B59F7/dashboard
https://ethpool.org/miners/dF11E0130d90efC9B6d7EB8d8d148bFAFB1461b4/dashboard
https://ethpool.org/miners/03636299b64df2b9b3db08faeb17c683dd3175d4/dashboard
https://ethpool.org/miners/0E041d9bFaB70125411E3f05dAd1Aa1ceD33e800/dashboard
https://ethpool.org/miners/23F861cE35420827e2e93bB351Dc460AC02adf82/dashboard

https://www.etherchain.org/account/0x4bb96091ee9d802ed039c4d1a5f6216f90f81b01#blocks

I had about 15 GH/s (only 1 account address) on this pool and never got 1 uncle, now i see why...

Ethpool should only reward uncles to accounts with more than 100 mh/s to be fairer, i'm out from this pool anyway.

[CjMapope]

its funny you mention that, as i noticed it myself over the last few days

i sent them an email a few hours ago, asking them to consider this an exploit and maybe to implement a minimum 'T" balance
these "miners" never expect to get paid, they are only getting massive uncles
some get one every 10 days with 5mh/s :O

either they are rewarding themselves or really dont care about fairness, i wonder what their reply to me will be : /

[koody]

I did some tests and managed to use 4 ethminer running at the same time with 1 card. 1 rig with 12 gpu can get 48 active miners able to pick up uncles 

This random distribution of uncles is not fair, i agree with u, they need implement a minimum 'T" balance or something like that to stopping this fucking guy who created 7500 miners at 5mh/s.

Let's see what Ethpool will tell you.

[Marvell2]

i left there when they started thier new ubcle program, the way it was before where when u got. your block you got any uncles was fine for me at leat with my modest hash

[d57heinz]

I don’t understand why with 15ghs you don’t just solo mine.  In my experience that always fairs better than putting trust in these pools. This system was all based on trust less yet we all still point our rigs at a pool. Silly us!  Things would start going our way if we just followed the simple rules set forth by btc long ago.  Instead we always think we know best and in the end we prolly will fuck up a good thing here too.  Anyway this pool is definitely got a scam rolling.  They have to be aware. And if they aren’t do you really want them as your pool OP!   Time to learn how to solo mine and then you have nothing to worry about.  Have confidence in yourself that you can figure it out.  Trust me the more effort you put in the more rewards you will see

BR

[Marvell2]

I don’t understand why with 15ghs you don’t just solo mine.  In my experience that always fairs better than putting trust in these pools. This system was all based on trust less yet we all still point our rigs at a pool. Silly us!  Things would start going our way if we just followed the simple rules set forth by btc long ago.  Instead we always think we know best and in the end we prolly will fuck up a good thing here too.  Anyway this pool is definitely got a scam rolling.  They have to be aware. And if they aren’t do you really want them as your pool OP!   Time to learn how to solo mine and then you have nothing to worry about.  Have confidence in yourself that you can figure it out.  Trust me the more effort you put in the more rewards you will see

BR

good point

can you use yiimp as your own pool for ethereum ? i have never seen an eth implementation for yiimp

[Truthchanter]

How do uncles work on this pool? Is it like a miner (single eth deposit address) with 5mhs has the same chance to get x uncles per day as a miner with 5ghs has to get x uncles per day?

[koody]

How do uncles work on this pool? Is it like a miner (single eth deposit address) with 5mhs has the same chance to get x uncles per day as a miner with 5ghs has to get x uncles per day?

Any uncles found by the pool will be awarded to a random active miner, that's why they put thousands of miners working at 5mh/s or less, miner with 5gh/s has the same chance to get uncles per day as a miner with 1 mh/s 

[shosafed]

I did some tests and managed to use 4 ethminer running at the same time with 1 card. 1 rig with 12 gpu can get 48 active miners able to pick up uncles 

This random distribution of uncles is not fair, i agree with u, they need implement a minimum 'T" balance or something like that to stopping this fucking guy who created 7500 miners at 5mh/s.

Let's see what Ethpool will tell you.

How could you do that? 

[koody]

I don’t understand why with 15ghs you don’t just solo mine.  In my experience that always fairs better than putting trust in these pools. This system was all based on trust less yet we all still point our rigs at a pool. Silly us!  Things would start going our way if we just followed the simple rules set forth by btc long ago.  Instead we always think we know best and in the end we prolly will fuck up a good thing here too.  Anyway this pool is definitely got a scam rolling.  They have to be aware. And if they aren’t do you really want them as your pool OP!   Time to learn how to solo mine and then you have nothing to worry about.  Have confidence in yourself that you can figure it out.  Trust me the more effort you put in the more rewards you will see

BR

Yeah, u are right, the best way is to solo mining with my own server, i was using the Ethpool because I thought the reward would be the same as solo mining.

I'm testing a vpn server right now (i have rigs in different places), i need to learn more about it noob here  

[Mohondoa]

Thank for the information sir/mam, i'll as soon possible out from there. From your post  I finally got the answer what I was looking for in a few days ago. Because that why I did not get the reward what I want. Thanks again for your notices.

[Stringer101]

Is there any new about how they are paying uncles? Anyone got an answer?
I've been a miner there for a long time and I feel cheated.
Thank you for the information.

[CjMapope]

Is there any new about how they are paying uncles? Anyone got an answer?
I've been a miner there for a long time and I feel cheated.
Thank you for the information.

me too man, mined there for several months now, and im a small miner, so it takes a while to get a payout, i was really hoping id score an uncle in the months :/  they should have a round robin with minunum "T" balance, everyone who mines there EVENTUALLY gets one that way, then gets put at the back of the line again for the next uncle

they replied 20 hours ago with
"Thank you for reaching out to us, I'm escalating this to my admin team to be investigated for any problems. We will update you shortly. "

 

[VEIV]

The main account 0x7dE44b1F1527486a16FF586eF301B6b62dA6aC11(is not mining) has several deposits from "miners"  (approx 38 addresses)

90 ETH for 177t of credits, that a good deal

0x241df8b90B050CaB32e265ca24075f42065802aA <--main miner 21GHS
0x8BA351d33B0Ea215d656893958A08E4642d66098
0x87C105AB1E9BFa88282C1f220a88D0A920aa1d78
0x27845077Eab0e47608eE60D461Ac3f7Cd0d09627<--45mhs and won 4 uncles between 5/21 & 5/22
0x4E8eC5BB14dcfc751e48C0475bedD6FBb6CfE023
0x4A85Cf9CE5d39b116E715512D5A291e7B51C1CB2
0x582cc247a8F3cb72ea972936A585696bcA82B3a3<--2 uncles 5/21/18 @ 2mhs
0x4a609177F7B9065c0aEdBFa2762a27EC9Fd7061E<--4 uncles 5/21/18 one block 5/22/18
0x638912700D9D4fA5E2f3A10f80933242Eb2c054C<--3 uncles 5/21/18
0xF637b6c14aC70987380ca7f395b3735780B5CfB9
0x5f46505Cb2019334408056de55348Ee705F9a557
0x59691FB3733f3e71D437bbD25d039F39ACecCC78
0x54347c5eB4284fc5Ac758ed497301c3b559750e3
0x42022c0ca05d41BF4256eD48fE635B424144209A
0x4070473dFe33886929F5Be62Ba3e75Dff89adA71
0x37eb05E8e53dF7A6295bE5195dA9fd9506c6b12f
0x28d153210Cdc90E21EDaaCcE5D090Fc8BCa3B4E6
0x285fA1EA6d43cee0743C29F7b8abec195970f149
0x265BA14e71be4eF72Fc67A49ae2E27437BAc6a95
0x24363545939FD0c0dAc4a181F8F057F9c31937e5
0x23F861cE35420827e2e93bB351Dc460AC02adf82
0x1D1707221c0fdE1c2c72466AdB307b15ACddc701
0x0E041d9bFaB70125411E3f05dAd1Aa1ceD33e800
0x0532b604E1d7B373f48e2adAd9DF1aCd556a23C8
0x03636299B64dF2b9b3DB08FaeB17c683DD3175D4
0xE4a3c88D1dC87cE6894526e38D9ddDe39dE6897c
0xc5ee7b8D8b93683258ffacdE025D2892123945Ce
0xb350E2356C58243913c5E8b05918f21D0155921f
0x9Ffd79287EE0144F5d35F7462c7E919533c38653
0x8ef23A0d52952f77384b8bd9896e0B3FD2055097
0x7810fE457f4C930ca713a7aFC7376F05526138a2
0x61E453B0F65527D4d948FAC987743BF8F8856E59
0x5Bd885cFCBd122B9B933c25185743ad3845CA1BD
0x52Bec9E0B9C5d9a6237934F625B3C4dF39ff6571
0x4c2e44D094AD551Ce7b63702E516b797d475c612
0x3775f8eaDB08a6658999E45Cf92e607655F90B41
0x356888E63CF9cE451c7e43ddeBAaa01a9da92a3F
0x03fb148a22790B547c3fE01C5fc68B755235F585


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[koody]

https://ethpool.org/miners/241df8b90b050cab32e265ca24075f42065802aa/blocks

This account received 3 uncles in less than 24 hours, very lucky or...

I also noticed that some addresses earn "T credits" quickly inexplicably, even with very low hashrate in a few days are already at the top of the list able to get a new block.

Sad to see a pool of this size acting that way.

[roc-noc]

Thanks for the heads up.  I've been mining on Nanopool with 6.0GH/s and have been thinking about solo mining options.  ETHPOOL looked like a serious option.  Now I won't waste my hash power there.

[smaxz]

I don't see why uncle rewards cant just be distributed in the same manner as normal rewards.

Ethpool came about when people grew tired of the overly complicated and obscure payout lottery implemented by the parent pool ethermine.org.

It was pretty clear to me from the start that any admin using this system is not someone I would trust with any major hash power.

[huntingthesnark]

Somewhat simplified now though? Weekly if over .10 I believe...

[koody]

I don't see why uncle rewards cant just be distributed in the same manner as normal rewards.

Ethpool came about when people grew tired of the overly complicated and obscure payout lottery implemented by the parent pool ethermine.org.

It was pretty clear to me from the start that any admin using this system is not someone I would trust with any major hash power.

If they distributed uncle blocks exactly as they do with "normal blocks" they could not steal without being easily noticed, using this other reward method, they may claim that their wallets addresses are luckier than the pool users, so they can get all the uncle blocks for them (1030 ETH +- stolen in the last month).